VN - Ren'Py - The King of Summer [v0.4.23-full] [No Try Studios]

  1. 1.00 star(s)

    cool.mint

    Tried it but don't see the appeal of this game or why it is rated as highly as it is. The story telling is subpar, which results in everything else also not being so great. There is no sexual tension between characters just a "oh u have a big stick, okay I'm down for what ever". It's just boring, but hey, that's my opinion.
  2. 3.00 star(s)

    I.S H

    My Rating: 5/10

    Story: ★★☆☆☆
    Dialogue: ★★★☆☆
    How well it plays: ★★★★☆
    3D Models: ★★★★☆
    Animation: ★★★★☆
    Sex scenes: ★★★★★
    Replayability: ★★★☆☆


    I'll try to be short on this, because I realized there are simply too many bad things to name about this game, that I would of ended up creating a list longer than the ones they make in the TAX office. The only reason I'm giving it a 5/10 (Average) is because even if you skip all the dialogue, it's good fap material.

    *Please note, I DO in fact know that this is a strictly NTR game, and I DO realize that the whole point of this game is to see the lover getting stolen by another male.


    Satoshi - He's a kid.

    He lacks a lot of masculinity, but he is still young. He has a lot of years ahead of him to gain some balls, and man up.

    He also lacks a lot of social smarts. He may be book smart, but he ain't ready for the world.

    I honestly felt sorry for him, because the writer does him very dirty, and that was not the intention I had when playing a Netorare game.

    Also, even an idiot can tell that the writer is controlling Satoshi too much, too, too much. To the point that he doesn't even feel real within his own story.

    Mary - She's an idiot, let's be very clear about this, she's a fucking idiot, and I can't say it enough.

    She goes from slutty to a nymphomaniac extremely quick.

    She disrespects her boyfriend a lot, from the very beginning, and then claims she "loves" him, and she knows she's disrespecting her boyfriend, but she acts as if she doesn't know she's doing that.

    She does a lot of bad things that would devastate any man who would be in a relationship with her. Any woman with the slightest of intellect would of known this... except for Mary. Yet, she constantly goes around saying that she "doesn't" want to hurt her boyfriend.

    This girl got NTR'd very fast, and very easily for someone who claims she "loves" her boyfriend very much.

    The whole agenda, of "Innocent" & "loving" girl that the writer tried so hard to implement for her, it goes to shit with all the cheating she does with little to no effort from the Uncle.

    She always claims she "loves" her boyfriend, yet, the moment she sees a big dick she falls in love with it. No mind control, no magic, no super powers, no blackmailing, no threatening, no pheromones of any sorts, just a visual image of a big dick. And she goes from "I love my boyfriend" to "I love this big dick more than my boyfriend".

    Kendo - What an absolute douchebag.

    This guy would of been dead long before he saw his 30's in the real world.

    I get that he is the main character that does the Netorare, but his dialogue is infuriating.

    The writer did us very dirty by giving him dialogue which speaks about morals, society standards, what a real man is, how a boyfriend/husband should treat his woman, and relationship advices.
    This dude shouldn't even be allowed to speak about any of these subjects, even as a joke. If he didn't have these dialogues, and he was a straight out fucking idiot driven by the mind of his dick, instead of his brain, he would of been a much, much better character.
    But, because he speaks about all these things he shouldn't be speaking about, it makes you want to kill him, literally.

    I hate this MF, to the point that his life would be in danger if he was around me. Not because he stole someone's woman, I don't give a shit about that, but because of the things he thinks he has the right to talk about, and his attitude.

    Kendo is a perfect example of having a real life pedophile talking in public about how a man should treat a minor, let's see how long he'd last. That's exactly how Kendo is writen.


    I won't speak about the other characters as they are kinda irrelevenat in my opinion.


    The game it self.

    This game has a fuck ton of dialogue which is useless in my opinion, but I guess some people enjoy the long dialogues.

    The story is mediocre, but you can tell that the writer is trying his/her hardest to deliver a good story. Despite him/her trying hard though, there are too many times where logic, and common sense simply vanish.

    You can also tell that the writer is controlling the story too much, this brakes immersion. I get that the writer 'does' in fact control the story since it's coming from his/her imagination, but a good story feels as if the story was writen by it self, you never get to feel the writers touch on it, and I'm saying this because normally, when you read a good story, you say, "What's next? What's next?", instead of "What is he/she gonna do next?" ("He/she", meaning the writer).


    Overall, and to end this, because I feel like it's dragged on too long.

    This seems like a story driven game, and it feels like it want's to be a story driven game, but in my honest opinion, it's a fap game first and foremost. Simply because the story lacks plenty of common sense, and intellect.
  3. 3.00 star(s)

    Deleted member 3134271

    A pretty decent little game, but honestly it feels long in the tooth. You have a couple core characters- a frail, boring young man with a lot of hang-ups, his unfeasibly curvy girlfriend, and the boy's uncle, a middle aged rascal with a heart of gold and a dick the size of a forearm. The love triangle between the three is interesting if you're into that, where there's stakes, tension and conflict. The girl is an athlete with an intense libido and her nebbish boyfriend is sweet to her but can't keep up physically. The uncle is more her pace. This leads to infidelity that doesn't just dive straight into it, but has a lot of authentic feeling push and pull. Both the girlfriend and uncle are attracted to each other but genuinely don't want to disregard the cuckee's emotional wellbeing. They basically still do should you choose it (which is the obvious intended route), but the effort makes the characters more sympathetic and realized instead of them just being awful bastards.

    But after a while, it goes sideways because there's not enough gas to make this story last as long as it does. Eventually you can make a choice of who the female lead goes for, and it should kinda end there. But it doesn't, it persists. A bunch of other characters start to get introduced, and the conflicts tend to get dull. A swinger couple, a shy girl with even bigger tits who has an overproductive dad. A bad boy who also cucks the frail young boyfriend.

    The problem is while the characters are nicely written, it lacks a through-line plot that these romantic/sexual relationships can center around, that can introduce new situations, twists or conflicts, or escalate existing ones. Everyone's just hanging out at a resort and fucking in various arrangements. The framing device feels like a reality TV show. In a game like this the "will they or won't they" question is rather moot. They will. That's why it's important to create some other point of tension in the story. Because once the tension of when will characters fuck is resolved, it gets dull and repetetive. It's why a paradise-style setting is a trap. Everyone is relaxing and running around in various states of undress, but that's all they do.

    In terms of gameplay, it's a visual novel where you obstensibly grind up a stat via watching scenes, in order to see more scenes, but it's not too much work. It mostly exists as triggers to keep the scenes in order. A few choices come up along the way.

    Graphically, it gets no points because it's Koikatu, which is a 3d anime character creation and posing suite with premade animation assets. It is very limited in what it can do, and the characters begin to feel samey and stilted.

    Personally, I believe the game should be about 1/3 as long as it was when I played it six months ago.
  4. 5.00 star(s)

    Uthgard

    Excellent indie renpy VN, imo the best that came out of the community. (so far)

    Consistent updates, a lot of content with great pacing and most importantly it's not completely silent on the sex scenes. There are sound effect, moans, etc . The lack of them is the number one pet peeves I have with this type of games, but it's handled great here.

    game is not finished but I'm confident it'll be great and worth your time nonetheless. 5 stars.
  5. 3.00 star(s)

    LordFrz

    As a Netorare game, this kinda sucks. It started out very strong, but dropped off hard when the dev decided to add a bunch of Netorase on the same timeline as the Netorare. The Netorare loses all impact when the MC is willingly sharing his girl with another guy. Ends up just being more of a cheating game in my opinion. He shares her with one guy, and she cheats with another guy behind his back. Not my idea of a good Netorare.

    If you are into Netorase, I think this game will be much more of an interest to you than it is to me. The scenes are very good, and it has top quality animation. I at one point avoided games with this style of CG. But this game single handedly made me start checking them out, its that good on the CG front. Its just that I put much more focus on the story of an NTR than the art, and the story went in a direction that was just not for me.

    Aside from the story that I lost interest in, I think the biggest flaw is just a flaw most games of this type have. You click around to progress the story, but sometimes you have no idea what to do next and end up in a bit of a loop till you guess the correct action to take. However this was fixed by a mod, which I believe is now standard in the game, so you have color coded text to know the general idea of how to progress.

    Overall, I would rate this dev pretty high, he just went into a direction that wasnt for me, is what it is. I will definitely check out his next game when this on is done.
  6. 5.00 star(s)

    Yamakasi20

    DO NOT PLAY THIS GAME!!!

    It will ruin all other NTR Games for you as it is in a League of it's own.

    I have 60 pages of saves, TONS of content, definetly over 50 hours of gameplay and not at a single point did it ever get dull. It just kept on giving and giving and each scene got better, creative and more interesting.

    There's a reason why this has an almost 5/5 overall rating.

    But seriously, NTR games will not be the same after this one.
    You have been warned.
  7. 1.00 star(s)

    kenny

    A dime a dozen NTR story, no nuance or finesse, complete with the dumb dickless MC VS a fat old man with a baseball bat for a dick and women with no morals or personal agency.
    A sandbox with completely linear progression, the "choices" have no reason to exist since they don't matter.
    Art and animation are from koikatsu, so praise to illusionsoft for making that, I guess.
    I frankly wish it was possible to give half a star, because this utterly uninspired, generic garbage deserves no more than that.
  8. 5.00 star(s)

    Shock2223

    I am new to NTR and this game introduced me to it. It has very good animation, And I mean very very good animation. I'm an ahegao man, and this game is good with it. I would still play this game if it didn't have it, but my score would have lowered a bit. The story Is very creative, I like it a lot. Even though I hate to repeat myself, the ahegao animation and sound was really really hot. Plus the updates are frequent, I like that a lot too.
  9. 5.00 star(s)

    rednova2009

    Review as of v0.4.8

    Quick note, if you haven't seen the NTR tag and you hate it with a passion, this game is probably not for you. This game proudly wears it like a badge of honor with a quote "Unavoidable NTR". For the rest, you may just like what this dev is selling to pass your time.

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    As of v0.4.8 I feel like I've got a good idea on my opinions on the game, with it's progress and each of the characters so I'll focus on the technical and characters on this part and the rest I'll leave to my old review in the spoiler.

    Animation

    From the first version the animation as I replayed the older scenes is still images moving like a flipbook. As of the latest version (v0.4.8) the dev has improved to add custom animations and at decent length. A very huge jump in quality. The story is images still but some anims are not limited to just H-scenes. Huge credit on the dev for the improvements in this area.

    Characters:


    So I'll go from character to character and focus on the main routes and the key side characters tied to them which would be like this:

    Satoshi Route: Satoshi, Mary, Kendo
    Kendo Route: Kendo, Mary, Satoshi
    Arato Route: Arato, Shizuka, Mary, Satoshi


    Satoshi:

    At first I found his character to be annoying and one of the worst presented in the game with his absolute beta cuck energy he has which is typical for NTR protagonists. However not only after replaying through the game have I reevaluated my opinion to not be as harsh (he's still annoying) but there's someone worse than him and I'm not talking about Arato.

    From the beginning he's a well meaning and nice guy who's not really physically active with low energy in all areas which becomes one of the few key points leading to Mary drifting away to his uncle. He has many moments of repeating himself on issues he has both in his head and outwardly towards anyone that will listen to him and also has many 'foot in mouth' moments that leads to him running into problems that can leads to pushing his girlfriend further away.

    Sounds bad putting all that in writing but he has his good moments, just not as many as others.

    Kendo & Mary:

    The main characters of the game as the absence of one or the other just feels wrong, so it's fair to say the plot has been build around them to fit as well as it does. Both of them are a really good match for each other with similar likes and ways of living complementing each other.

    One thing that surprised me is that unlike the typical NTR plot where you'd expect the uncle to jump right on the girl without her consent and mind-break her until she falls, Kendo and Mary don't fully engage until a good while (plot wise in days before they fully engage in what qualifies as infidelity or NTR in this case). I'd dare say Mary is the one who slowly has straying thoughts first partly due to Satoshi disappointing her many times but still wanting to be faithful. It's a nice change to see a slow build-up to the point of no return when the full cheating event (full sex) happens.

    It wouldn't be wrong to call out Kendo for trying to steal his 'Favorite Nephew's girlfriend' and Mary cheating too, but Satoshi also gets to points of cheating too at times so basically no-one leaves completely blameless. NTR logic and rules be far different compared to anywhere else.

    Arato & Shizuka:

    One of the most disliked characters in the game (or the most based, depending on who you ask), Arato fits the typical rich asshole with a big dick that has a picture of him with the words "hide yo wife, hide yo daughter" next to it. He's apologetically ruthless in his thoughts and doesn't give a damn about other people, just to take what he wants and have sex with all the ladies. There's nothing too deep with Arato other to cover the corruption side of NTR which is really missing on the Kendo path which while wrong to take other people's partners is at least done with consent. Arato is not above taking the path of drugs and spiked drinks to get the girl or even forcing himself on them to get what he wants. Like I said, typical asshole NTR Antag.

    Shizuka on the other hand at surface level should fit the role of the already mind-broken girl of the NTR Antag but further in has layers of her character that tie's her to Satoshi of all people. As of this review there's nothing further yet but I'm sure the endgame of all routes will have her involved as one of the most dangerous players in the game. I recommend to keep an eye on her.


    I've rambled long enough but as I mentioned above if you either don't mind or love NTR and a decent set of story and animations then I recommend you give this a shot. It also helps that the Dev updates regularly (every 2 weeks give or take).

    Pros
    + Straightforward plot with some genuienly great character building
    + Great scenes with renders and animations, especially in the later scenes
    + Regular updates from the Dev
    + Multiple routes increases replay-ability
    + A good few characters are generally likeable...for an NTR game

    Cons
    - Covers many aspects of NTR, including the unavoidable ones so it's not for everyone
    - A good few characters are generally hate-able...for an NTR game (This is a slight down as this is intended for at least one person in particular)

    Ranking: 4.5/5
  10. 4.00 star(s)

    confundus

    Review as of 0.4.4

    Really enjoyed the content available, there was a bit of a slump during the Arato-Shizuka segment. Personally just hate the trope of suffering due solely to a lack of communication, which I am aware is a mainstay of the NTR genre, but still, just got a bit tired of it. Especially because it was the only way to progress the game.

    I think if there were more unrelated events at the same it would be a bit better, but it was just back to back to back scenes with characters I didn't really care about with the possible conclusions obvious from the get go.

    I will say, despite that, the game is pretty damn great and barring that, I really enjoyed it.
  11. 5.00 star(s)

    Samurai Jackoff

    NTR stories are a hit or a miss, but this is a hit.
    Story: 5/5
    Animation:5/5 (love the music and sound)
    Update consistency: 5/5

    I spent a lot of hours on the game, and I have to say I pleasantly surprised.
    Not too much of a NTR fan, but this Dev did It right.
  12. 5.00 star(s)

    Federok88

    There are two ways to find hentai games (bear with me im going somewhere here)

    Pasively, where you check now and then the top Dlsite, Itchio or the ocasional steam release.

    Or actively going page by page (even if for an especific tag), like scavenging in a gargabe site. Why that image? because lets be honest A LOT of the hentai games can range from mediocre to dissapointing.

    Sometimes the art is meh, sometimes the art is good but the sex is boring, sometimes the art is good but the premise is boring or isnt just the right execution of your prefered kink. For different reason more of what you donwload will find itself in the recicly bin that in a folder.

    But the effort is worth it because sometimes you find something good, like when you find a perfectily functionaly microwave or a piece of furniture that just needs some polish. And sometimes you find a gooddamn daimond.

    I had an itch for a netorare game (especifically netorare focuss, not cuckholding/netorase) and in my search i was going from dissapoinment to dissapointment. Either for lackluster art, boring presentation, heavy cuckholding focuss or for lacking a satisfying amount of content.

    Then i find this goddamn gem.

    The art is great, it knows how to use the chosen artstyle to make the girls look great and the guys at least not look like creepy dolls. There is a nice variety of girls each one appealing in their own way. The Fmcs green hair was a little off putting in the screenshots but it grew on me in the game and i ended liking her a lot.
    But man oh man i have a weakness for shy voluptuous girls with braids (or twin braids) and this developer went straight to the hearth with Hanako.


    The presentation of sex is amazing, smooth animation, several poses, variety, nice sounds effects (you would suprised how far a good plapla goes) and even moans. There are some blowjobs scenes where the jaw looks a little deformed but is not dealbreaker for me.

    And then is the most important aspect of what i was searching for, the NTR. I like netorare because appeals to the emotional sadist inside me. I want the tragedy, the drama, the corruption and betrayal, i want to see the dreams of a naive fool being crush and girl abandon the idea of love for carnal pleasure..... and before you ask, no nobody hurted me..

    A lot of people do netorare, but not all of them know how to do it well

    I need the MC to be present but intially unware to let that betrayal set in the background.

    I need the girl to get slowly corrupted, to have doubts and temptations. Extra points if i can read the thoughts of the characters.

    I need a good pacing, not too fast but without making me wait hours without giving at least a little bit of something......AND DONT WASTE MY TIME WITH BS BORING GAMEPLAY JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW HOW PACE YOUR STORY (sorry i've played some shit this couple of days)



    and i need all of this in a good presentation, some of the shit i've played recently has made aprecciate a decent soundtrack in the background of my porn.

    This title just aces everything that i needed and would've gladly gave it 5 stars with only the Mary scenes, but then the game goes beyond by having mutiple girls without crompomising the quality of the Mary scenes.

    That why i wrote that little introduction, because 5 stars wasnt enought of a praise for this game.
  13. 5.00 star(s)

    aflw2009

    At first...I wasn't paying much attention to this game. But I started to see the frequency of the updates were high. Thank goodness my curiosity made me check it out. BRAVO!!! I am now dam near addicted to THIS story....dam near addicted to THESE animation with the sounds. addicted.....to...to..MARY'S ooooooooooh faces!
    Rins story as well. Thank you sooo much for this....MASTERPIECE PROJECT !!!

    Patreon here I come!!!
  14. 1.00 star(s)

    Natsuyoshi

    Edited my message, used to give it a 5* but author seemingly got influenced by his NTR lovers of fans and the game went downhill compared to the beginning of the game. Characters actions and thinking differs too much, feels like it's just non-sense sex everywhere just for the NTR and sex. It lost it's value, the story and development of the characters used to be fine and we expected a lot but meeh
  15. 2.00 star(s)

    Deleted member 5895830

    This novel is just ...... no. I like the idea of NTR. It is hot if you can feel something for the characters. I mean, would i want to see my uncle railing my girlfriend in real life? Nah. Would I like to see it in a visual novel. Why not? Character investment comes from good writing which is seriously lacking in this novel. I guess it is the writer's cultural differences, but the writing makes the characters boring and 2D. I felt nothing when the girlfriend was warming up to the uncle, because the writing was cookie cutter stuff (e.g. the boyfriend can't compliment the hot girlfriend, the boyfriend is hesitant about sex). Why are these the troupes that are in all NTR?
  16. 5.00 star(s)

    Vaassaa

    THIS IS NOT TYPICAL NTR. I cannot yell it loud enough. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ENJOY NTR TO ENJOY THIS.

    A lot of reviews already say it, but it has to be repeated. Yes its technically NTR, so the author had to explain it, but it's really not.

    He does something very creative - you technically have an MC but you more or less follow the story of the girl more than the guy and YOU choose who shes sleeps with. So in a creative pro gamer move, you end up projecting yourself as MC with the guy who she is actually with.

    In simpler terms - this game organically lets you choose who the MC is. So NTR with that character is not really NTR.

    As for the game itself, clean 5/5 from me. Fresh, funny, pleasant story that doesn't take itself too seriously and has just enough moments to add some depth. The characters are weirdly attractive, which is very rare for me with this artstyle. Scenes are great. Nothing bad to say.
  17. 5.00 star(s)

    FullStackBoi

    Damn. Actually attractive 3DCG character models, animations are top-notch & interactive (to an extent). Story feels coherent and real. I knew I didn't really like NTR but I think this game changed my mind
  18. 5.00 star(s)

    prov2

    Let's start with this: I am NOT a fan of NTR. I don't shit on anyone who is, but I'm just not.

    I get off on getting off, and imagining that I'M the one getting off. But this game throws some softballs that sneakily make it a gateway drug into really enjoying NTR. I'll talk about this in the story section at the bottom of the review if you don't care about the NTR debate at all. Just know that if you aren't into it, you might still like this.

    Sex: 9/10
    Koikatsu is an interesting tool, because it's the hands of the dev that makes it great or terrible. This dev understands the fundamental rule of making good sex scenes with it: FOCUS ON THE FACE AND DIALOGUE

    The girls are hot. I'm not even into huge boobs at all but when the dialogue and facial reactions (including ahehao) are this sexy, it's hard to be against even the least realistic proportions.

    As for the amount, there are lots of sex scenes and just enough context to go between them. The game is great at edging the good stuff but doesn't wait to long and makes the payoffs well worth it. Brilliant sexual pacing.

    Note to all devs: Cumshots/Creampies should not be 3 white flashes with a sploosh sound. Cumshots/Creampies should not ONLY be 3 white flashes with a sploosh sound. This game does it right by having hot reaction dialogue and changes in position between the cumshot flash frames. If everyone started doing this in their Koikatsu sex scenes there would be a lot more wastebins full of kleenex after.

    The only downside to the sex scenes is the usual downsides to Koikatsu's animation limitations. And the only really bad thing about this game in particular is that the unhinged jaw the girls get in the blowjob scenes is really fucked up and unnatural.

    Story: 8/10

    It's surprisingly original for how simple it is as an NTR story setup. Good pacing, silly and exaggerated but just enough to make you laugh. The game is excellent at slowly satirizing AVN tropes (maybe without meaning to?) which is quite appreciated regardless of its intentions.

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    So as someone who doesn't like NTR in terms of relating it to reality, King of Summer totally sold me on it in a sex-game way and was hot as fuck in pulling it off. And by the time you've come full circle to maybe seeing it from Satoshi's perspective again, the story has payoff for that too.

    Nicely done overall. Definitely a go-to for jerkin' it
  19. 4.00 star(s)

    InstaPrincess

    To summarize: Hate the art, love the writing.

    I have passed on this for the longest time, because of the ridiculous anatomy of the women. I'll never understand why this is such a thing.

    But if you can actually look past that (and I usually can't) there's some really proficient writing and characterization in this game. The bar for depth isn't high in these games, but this game shows how the writing can actually carry a story where little else is happening but sex.

    So, it's well worth a try even if you are put off by the art, like I was.
  20. 4.00 star(s)

    Rex Blue

    The King of Summer is a time management style VN in which a pathetic cuck and his girlfriend go on a tropical summer vacation with his chad-cocked uncle. Gee, I wonder what could possibly go wrong?

    Frankly, exactly what you would expect. In fact, it's so exactly what you expect that it detracted from the game a bit for me. While there's a pretty good slow burn corruption arc as the MC's girlfriend is slowly drawn away from him through a mixture of sexual dissatisfaction and neglect, it's just predictable. If you're into hard ntr, King of Summer executes the formula well, assuming you're not sick of the formula.

    In addition to the main hard ntr storyline, there's also a number of female side characters with and without their own boyfriends who the chad uncle and occasionally the cuck boyfriend can pursue as well. Relationships and kinks vary based on the side character but generally include some level of ntr as well, whether through swinging, jealousy, or betrayal.

    The gameplay is basically non-existent, which is acceptable for a straight VN. Once you clear the completely linear game opening, you choose events on a map with either the boyfriend or uncle at either night or day either with or without the girlfriend. The scenes you can find vary based on each variable. There's no grinding, only story progression, and new scene locations are highlighted. I guess I'd call it the best way to avoid having gameplay in a VN.

    As for the writing itself, I'm a little on the fence. It's hard for me to describe exactly, but I guess there's just a huge amount of what I'd call filler. While I like the individual scenes and characters, there's a massive amount of flirting and dialogue in the lead up that I found myself utterly uninterested in and tediously clicking through. I get that the story wouldn't be complete without these moments to establish each character's personality and backstory, but there's just SO MUCH TALKING.

    The art is exactly what you see on the tin. It's Koikatu all the way down and a pretty excellent use of the software. The girls are featured in bikini's around 90% of the time and they're all delightfully tiny. Fans of beach babes will love it.

    I do kinda hate uncle chad's appearance though. He's got a weird sort of muscled fat appearance that seems completely unrealistic. As an added bonus(?) his dick is so big that it distorts the girls' faces when they suck it, leading to horribly distended jaws that make me think of warping source engine models in the most heinous way. It's hard to keep a boner when the blow job images make you think of derpy Team Fortress 2 memes.

    As with most ntr games, your mileage is going to vary on this one. If you're a fan of big booba girls in swimsuits fooling around with other dudes, you'll likely find something to enjoy here. If you're here to ask "iS nTr AvOidAblE," King of Summer makes no attempt to hide that it is not.