VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.5.0.4p] [Ceolag]

[Pixillin']

I agree, but I can understand him not asking. He was shocked, his father was kidnapped and his brain was in "What the FUCK mode" He just did what his mother told him. His instincts were still buried by the news he just found out.

I can't imagine how I would react if I was at work minding my own business, my biggest concern being what to have for lunch. Suddenly, your mother rings and says your father is kidnapped, you have to flee work or be captured or killed. It would take a bit for the shock to wear off and the brain to engage. Everyone reacts differently under duress.

Even more scary for me is my father is dead. SO I would really be blown away.

And it’s just not in his realm of experience. No one knows how they’re going to react in a crisis until it happens and I doubt if this MC has ever been in a real crisis. It’s not like he’s an experienced agent who knows how to take the proper precautions. He’s a desk clerk for an insurance company. This is a big part of the reason why his parents were lying to him was stupid. It was just a matter of when, not if, he’d be in a life and death situation and they didn’t prepare him at all.

 

[Knightcvel]

And it’s just not in his realm of experience. No one knows how they’re going to react in a crisis until it happens and I doubt if this MC has ever been in a real crisis. It’s not like he’s an experienced agent who knows how to take the proper precautions. He’s a desk clerk for an insurance company. This is a big part of the reason why his parents were lying to him was stupid. It was just a matter of when, not if, he’d be in a life and death situation and they didn’t prepare him at all.

Keeping him in the dark for protecting him from the dangers of Neverwhere is so stupid that I don't believe it is true. The leader of an organization who keeps finances and operations would be wiser than that. He himself is the son of a couple of templars who introduced him to that world and trained him. It's something that is a tradition in his family, and basically all his ancestors were templars and I doubt he would put an end to his linage sucession and tradition just because he was afraid it was dangerous. It makes no sense. In my opinion, they were hiding the truth to prevent him of manifesting his supernatural powers and the council decided to put him under vigilance to give a warning as soon as it happened. MC is not their son, or is the son of just one of them, or is a genetic experiment like the Kwisatz Haderach in Dune. I don't know, but that talk they had at his parents house after his father rescue is just another layer of lies to provide plausible deniability: satisfying his mind with a story that doesn't reveal the true reality of his nature. The fact of the council ordering his vigilance, and mercs trying to capture him only means that he is not the son of a templar, but an ASSET and a potencial menace.

 

[Pixillin']

Keeping him in the dark for protecting him from the dangers of Neverwhere is so stupid that I don't believe it is true. The leader of an organization who keeps finances and operations would be wiser than that. He himself is the son of a couple of templars who introduced him to that world and trained him. It's something that is a tradition in his family, and basically all his ancestors were templars and I doubt he would put an end to his linage sucession and tradition just because he was afraid it was dangerous. It makes no sense. In my opinion, they were hiding the truth to prevent him of manifesting his supernatural powers and the council decided to put him under vigilance to give a warning as soon as it happened. MC is not their son, or is the son of just one of them, or is a genetic experiment like the Kwisatz Haderach in Dune. I don't know, but that talk they had at his parents house after his father rescue is just another layer of lies to provide plausible deniability: satisfying his mind with a story that doesn't reveal the true reality of his nature. The fact of the council ordering his vigilance, and mercs trying to capture him only means that he is not the son of a templar, but an ASSET and a potencial menace.

I think so too or something similar anyway. The way Kajia kinda freaked when he killed that guy is a clue - though she quickly regained her composure. It was also immediately after that attack that he began to manifest magical abilities (like resisting the succubus and being able to see the cloaked … thing, whatever that was).

 

[Knightcvel]

I think so too or something similar anyway. The way Kajia kinda freaked when he killed that guy is a clue - though she quickly regained her composure. It was also immediately after that attack that he began to manifest magical abilities (like resisting the succubus and being able to see the cloaked … thing, whatever that was).

Yes, those abilities are not dependent of the sword as most think. He is able to resist succubi, able to see behind magic cloaking where humans and elves cannot, he resisted the queen's mind control, he acquired fighting skills very fast, atracted the attention of Fiona, who is a magical creature who is also interested on him... I think the Ice Queen is the one who could provide him with cues to the truth as she probed his mind and saw his true nature even if that is unknown to him. But be aware that killing the merc is optional and won't affect him acquiring his powers.

 

[Rehwyn]

I think so too or something similar anyway. The way Kajia kinda freaked when he killed that guy is a clue - though she quickly regained her composure. It was also immediately after that attack that he began to manifest magical abilities (like resisting the succubus and being able to see the cloaked … thing, whatever that was).

Honestly, I think you're looking into this particular reaction from Kaija a bit more than is likely warranted. For many (if not most) people in real life, killing someone even in self defense can be a traumatic experience, particularly if they aren't trained to emotionally deal with it. Considering part of her mission wasn't just to keep him physically safe but also protect him from having to deal with that type of violence and trauma, witnessing him having to take a life could be a bit of a shock. It could have been something else, but I would seriously be surprised.

 

[Knightcvel]

Honestly, I think you're looking into this particular reaction from Kaija a bit more than is likely warranted. For many (if not most) people in real life, killing someone even in self defense can be a traumatic experience, particularly if they aren't trained to emotionally deal with it. Considering part of her mission wasn't just to keep him physically safe but also protect him from having to deal with that type of violence and trauma, witnessing him having to take a life could be a bit of a shock. It could have been something else, but I would seriously be surprised.

It's optional. She won't be distressed in the friendship path and knocking the merc won't trigger any further reaction from her.

 

[Rehwyn]

It's optional. She won't be distressed in the friendship path and knocking the merc won't trigger any further reaction from her.

If it's only on the love path she reacts that way, that makes me even more convinced it's because of genuine shock MC had to kill someone and how that could negatively affect his mental health. If it was because of some secret about MC, she'd have reason to react that way on every path.

 

[Pixillin']

If it's only on the love path she reacts that way, that makes me even more convinced it's because of genuine shock MC had to kill someone and how that could negatively affect his mental health. If it was because of some secret about MC, she'd have reason to react that way on every path.

At that point in the game I don't think you're really on any path yet, but I'm definitely not on the love path with her and her reaction seems over the top to me, in that situation. She doesn't seem so much worried about you as worried about what you've done. Edit: In any case it's right after that (or the next night) when you suddenly start displaying magic powers

 

[Rehwyn]

At that point in the game I don't think you're really on any path yet, but I'm definitely not on the love path with her and her reaction seems over the top to me, in that situation. She doesn't seem so much worried about you as worried about what you've done. Edit: In any case it's right after that (or the next night) when you suddenly start displaying magic powers

Knightcvel was correct. There's two versions of her reaction based on her love points, so there is in fact path branching here already.

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You most likely start displaying magical powers because you start being exposed to situations where they'd become apparent. There's zero reason he couldn't have had those powers for years and just not known about it. There's no way to know he could resist a succubus if he wasn't exposed to one, for example.

 

[Maviarab]

Knightcvel was correct. There's two versions of her reaction based on her love points, so there is in fact path branching here already.

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You most likely start displaying magical powers because you start being exposed to situations where they'd become apparent. There's zero reason he couldn't have had those powers for years and just not known about it. There's no way to know he could resist a succubus if he wasn't exposed to one, for example.

You're a patient man Reh

 

[Knightcvel]

Well, the point is that MC is more than human, he cannot be the son of Roland and Helga, at least not both. Multi generational templars would not simply break the tradition of having sucessors in their next generation only because it could be dangerous, after all, they are aware of the risks and could mitigate them by training and by raising them in their headquarters under full vigilance. There is much more than meets the eye here and the talk with his "parents" only adds a layer of plausible deniabilty to hide the real truth about his nature, origin and capabilities.

 

[Wolfram99]

Well, the point is that MC is more than human, he cannot be the son of Roland and Helga, at least not both. Multi generational templars would not simply break the tradition of having sucessors in their next generation only because it could be dangerous, after all, they are aware of the risks and could mitigate them by training and by raising them in their headquarters under full vigilance. There is much more than meets the eye here and the talk with his "parents" only adds a layer of plausible deniabilty to hide the real truth about his nature, origin and capabilities.

With the dwindling Templar numbers i could see the parents making a decision that the kids should be left to live in a world without magic, a world that they are trying to preserve.
You are saying he is not their son due to wanting Jess to be a side LI so patreon wouldn't interfere? not that sneaky of you.
Since Mab referred to Jess as a waste of potential it seems that she carries the "gene" that makes MC whatever he is, maybe it just hasn't activated yet like it did with MC.

Do we know if the grandfather of MC was also a head templar? Or is it just the Dad that was the head honcho of templars in his bloodline?

 

[xapican]

With the dwindling Templar numbers i could see the parents making a decision that the kids should be left to live in a world without magic, a world that they are trying to preserve.
You are saying he is not their son due to wanting Jess to be a side LI so patreon wouldn't interfere? not that sneaky of you.
Since Mab referred to Jess as a waste of potential it seems that she carries the "gene" that makes MC whatever he is, maybe it just hasn't activated yet like it did with MC.

Do we know if the grandfather of MC was also a head templar? Or is it just the Dad that was the head honcho of templars in his bloodline?

His father (MC's Grandpa) was also a Greatmaster, he died during the War with Neverwhere crime cartels, it is briefly explained in the convo MC has with his Dad after the rescue.

 

[Rehwyn]

Well, the point is that MC is more than human, he cannot be the son of Roland and Helga, at least not both. Multi generational templars would not simply break the tradition of having sucessors in their next generation only because it could be dangerous, after all, they are aware of the risks and could mitigate them by training and by raising them in their headquarters under full vigilance. There is much more than meets the eye here and the talk with his "parents" only adds a layer of plausible deniabilty to hide the real truth about his nature, origin and capabilities.

Why must they not be his parents? The fantasy trope of old magical bloodlines emerging from otherwise mundane parents is quite common. You're making several assumptions here to come to that conclusion since 1) we don't know if he's not human or just a human with special abilities, 2) if he is not fully human, we don't know if that's directly hereditary, 3) if it is hereditary, we don't know if it's due to "latent genes" or something or a non-human parent, and lastly 4) if it is due to a non-human parent, we don't know for sure both Roland and Helga are fully human either.

 

[Knightcvel]

With the dwindling Templar numbers i could see the parents making a decision that the kids should be left to live in a world without magic, a world that they are trying to preserve.
You are saying he is not their son due to wanting Jess to be a side LI so patreon wouldn't interfere? not that sneaky of you.
Since Mab referred to Jess as a waste of potential it seems that she carries the "gene" that makes MC whatever he is, maybe it just hasn't activated yet like it did with MC.

Do we know if the grandfather of MC was also a head templar? Or is it just the Dad that was the head honcho of templars in his bloodline?

It could be interesting having Jess as a LI but I think she is really daughter of Roland and Hilda. The wasted potential maybe a prosaic thing as the potential of becoming like Kaija and no more. Note that the same was not uttered after she scanned MC. And the dwindling of templar numbers would be enough reason to have them introduced in their childhood and not the oposite. The grandparents were templars that were killed in action by narco lords from Neverwhere. They raised Roland in the order. As it is revealed by Kaija when she toured MC in their Headquarters, the council and the headmaster are ellected offices and all noble templars may vote or being voted.

 

[Knightcvel]

Why must they not be his parents? The fantasy trope of old magical bloodlines emerging from otherwise mundane parents is quite common. You're making several assumptions here to come to that conclusion since 1) we don't know if he's not human or just a human with special abilities, 2) if he is not fully human, we don't know if that's directly hereditary, 3) if it is hereditary, we don't know if it's due to "latent genes" or something or a non-human parent, and lastly 4) if it is due to a non-human parent, we don't know for sure both Roland and Helga are fully human either.

The attitudes of several creatures and organizations around him seem to suggest he is beyond trivial. He is treated as an important asset and put under vigilance by others who are not his parents and would have no reason for that. He could be an experiment, he could be a child from supernatural beings or at least half human. His storyline and future character development is implied to involve nordic deities and other beings that would not give further attention to a tiny mortal. I think that in the next chapter he will deal with powers and beings beyond human grasp. His true nature, and his potential brought attention upon him from people, beings and organizations. The templars wanted to keep him under their control.

 

[motseer]

When the next update comes out, I think I will start from the beginning. Not because I can't remember what happened, but just to reject everybody, again...

 

[AlexMpog]

I finally got to play last update on weekends and I actually started from the beginning heh, because... why not?))) I enjoyed it.

Also, thanks again for your WT Maviarab, makes things so much easier!

 

[Wolfram99]

And the dwindling of templar numbers would be enough reason to have them introduced in their childhood and not the oposite

If they wanted to create templar cannon fodder, sure.
Linnae chose the duty, while MC's parents managed to balance on both sides.

 

[Malicre]

If they wanted to create templar cannon fodder, sure.
Linnae chose the duty, while MC's parents managed to balance on both sides.

Cause Linnae was actually smart and realized that you couldn't do both half heartedly so she made a choice where as his parents lied about everything. Linnae i can respect, them not so much and yes Kaija is on my shit list too as she's not any better.