VN Ren'Py The Neverwhere Tales [v0.7.0] [Ceolag]

[RNasc4444]

Sadly, if you actually play the "resonable" angry MC way, the game simply skips a lot of stuff, training included. Making this very short game full of plot holes.

Hell, if actually was MC, I would outright went "Fuck this! Fuck you! I'm out! Don't look for me!", changed my name and simply went to the most far far away place, trying to have a life on my terms.

Exactly this!!! This would 100% be my reaction if I was the MC. I've said since I first tried the game. I'd cut the parents and Kaiju out of my life, I'd try my best to expose the Templar morons and then move away, start fresh and pretend none of that ever happened so I could try to still have a semblance of a life.

And yeah it's kinda frustrating that you just stumble through game blind if you cut off certain characters. Mebd has a tonne of exposition when Alex goes to Elf town. Fionna also has lore dump scenes. Same with Kaiju/Templars/Parents. If you don't engage with these characters you miss a huge chunk of critical info.

I don't care though. I like my reasonably angry MC playthrough. I'm not forgiving the people who wronged him and I won't tolerate those I despise. I believe the dev will keep making this route work out until the end.

 

[Ronaldweasley 979]

Well another filler update that barely moves the story forward

Is it just me or do all the characters sound exactly the same, the dialogues barely have any personality that differentiate the characters (except Mac)

MC continues to be an annoying whiny bitch (in addition to his stupid punchable baby face)

Elea's story seems useless, considering it just repeats MC's story beats, sex scenes in this update were disappointing with characters no one cares about, and also pretty bland with barely any interesting buildup its just a few renders, a few stiff animations, a few lines and the bam moving on

Fiona's story gets some content atleast, but still does not move the story much, same with Sayo interview, and MCs heritage seems another useless character lore to hype the MC, but the mc himself isn't hyped

Also there seems to be a bug, I wanted to checkout the fallout for killing Finnabair on my other route (Kate and Linnae no main LIs) and the update starts with acknowledging MC killed Finnabair, but then it just continues with Sayo getting arrested and MC interviewing her

 

[robin312]

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No surprise
According the last sex scene with Fiona, she had tons of sex and has much more exp that MC in basically any field of life

I didn't get the problem with her "family" btw.
It just looks like "I was tired and left"
The end

 

[Krytax123]

Exactly this!!! This would 100% be my reaction if I was the MC. I've said since I first tried the game. I'd cut the parents and Kaiju out of my life, I'd try my best to expose the Templar morons and then move away, start fresh and pretend none of that ever happened so I could try to still have a semblance of a life.

And yeah it's kinda frustrating that you just stumble through game blind if you cut off certain characters. Mebd has a tonne of exposition when Alex goes to Elf town. Fionna also has lore dump scenes. Same with Kaiju/Templars/Parents. If you don't engage with these characters you miss a huge chunk of critical info.

I don't care though. I like my reasonably angry MC playthrough. I'm not forgiving the people who wronged him and I won't tolerate those I despise. I believe the dev will keep making this route work out until the end.

I think thats one of the strenghts of this avn and so far the branching seems to make it work.

Imo its reasonable that you get less information and miss critical stuff if you ... decide to not engage with anyone, thats literally the logical conclusion. I would see it as a plus that were still able to take these choices, it feels less streamlined than the usual avn to me like that and really gives (somewhat) of a choice instead of just a illusion of it.

I mean MC is a moron kinda, how is he supposed to figure anything out on his own if he is working with nobody? Hes just a stupid boy who fall over a sword because merlin is his grand grand grand grand grand grand grand daddy but otherwise has no agency at all.

Thats why (imo) its rather stupid (or overemotional) to burn bridges with the parents/templars EVEN IF you intend to take them down and see them as the shit dubious organization they are.

I mean i guess the dev could include a ending with either the dead of the mc or him really getting away from anything (how tho? Someone will hunt him anyway) but would that really make you happy?

Imo its great that we have the possiblity to play a overly angry MC who cuts ties with everyone but at the same time its logical that this MC should be at a information/ability disadvantage.

 

[Crashbullet]

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This explains the quick end of MС
On the other hand, no one in their right mind expected that Fiona would remain a virgin for a couple of tens of thousands of years.

 

[acowasto]

Exactly this!!! This would 100% be my reaction if I was the MC. I've said since I first tried the game. I'd cut the parents and Kaiju out of my life, I'd try my best to expose the Templar morons and then move away, start fresh and pretend none of that ever happened so I could try to still have a semblance of a life.

And yeah it's kinda frustrating that you just stumble through game blind if you cut off certain characters. Mebd has a tonne of exposition when Alex goes to Elf town. Fionna also has lore dump scenes. Same with Kaiju/Templars/Parents. If you don't engage with these characters you miss a huge chunk of critical info.

I don't care though. I like my reasonably angry MC playthrough. I'm not forgiving the people who wronged him and I won't tolerate those I despise. I believe the dev will keep making this route work out until the end.

Revenge is one thing. But, ealistically thinking, It would take way too much time and effort to do anything resonably impactful to expose the order to the world. Like, MC doesn't really know how much power order has and how great it it's reach, even i thier numbers are rather limited. I would simply let it go and allowed those toddlers to extinct by trying to win a darwin's award, instead of risking an assassin knocking down the door.

It was one of my favorite theories and would explain the reason to keep them in the dark without making them seem retarded or incompetent, and would be a good reason for a third party trying to reach them and for the remaining of the council trying to hide thing from them. Machiavellic at the most, but even so within the scope of reason and maybe even understandable and forgiveble. But the dev took the other way: they are uber protective and illogical in their motivations, just raw emotion. Sadly...

Being protective is one thing. I believe all good parents want to save thier kids from the evil of our world, but this is the case of the worst parenting I ever saw.

"We are secret order with powerful enemies, that's why we though rising you under our names in our family house and keeping you oblivious to our secret jobs would save you from being targeted to influence us and our cult, because some CO allowed two parents to be together on patrol and they died making thier kid an orphan. But worry not, we have secret guards protecting you, which are not with you most of the time, because we lack manpower and argue all the time!"

Okay, telling 8 old kids "daddy and mommy are part of the cult" ain't the smartest idea, robbing them of thier childhood when they can't barely undestand the math, but withholding such impotant informations for such long time?

That's putting thier kids in danger, not protecting them. And planting Kaiju bodyguard instead of propely teaching kids how to handle weapons and fight in hand to hand combat perhaps as a hobby, so they could use those skills when needed, if they get attacked by someone? Sure, that would be manipulation, which is bad thing to do too, but surely not as bad as and unforgivable as living your whole life being in possible danger, being lied to without knowing your GF is actually with you because of an assignment.

If I were MC I would grow a very unhealthy paranoia, expecting anyone I see on the street or I talk with to be part of the order, because parents forgot to actually tell me and teach me rather important stuff on which my life rather depends on.

 

[RNasc4444]

Thats why (imo) its rather stupid (or overemotional) to burn bridges with the parents/templars EVEN IF you intend to take them down and see them as the shit dubious organization they are.

I don't see it as emotional or stupid. It just is. It's...inevitable. There are no options here as far as I'm concerned. His entire life they railroaded him into that scenario. In my world I can't even conceive forgiveness as a remote possibility after what was done to him.

I mean i guess the dev could include a ending with either the dead of the mc or him really getting away from anything (how tho? Someone will hunt him anyway) but would that really make you happy?

Yes. Why would it not? Not every story gets to have a happy ending. Doesn't mean you just give up and stop trying to achieve it. Neverwhere is a threat to mankind. Templars are a threat to mankind. A happy ending for me would be ending those threats permanently. If the MC gets to live beyond that is inconsequential.

Ngl I would love an alternate ending where the MC just turned his back on it all and tried to live a happy peaceful life. Let the rest of the morons sort it out That would be my canon ending.

Imo its great that we have the possiblity to play a overly angry MC who cuts ties with everyone but at the same time its logical that this MC should be at a information/ability disadvantage.

Agreed. I do think it makes sense. It's just frustrating thats all

 

[acowasto]

I think thats one of the strenghts of this avn and so far the branching seems to make it work.

Imo its reasonable that you get less information and miss critical stuff if you ... decide to not engage with anyone, thats literally the logical conclusion. I would see it as a plus that were still able to take these choices, it feels less streamlined than the usual avn to me like that and really gives (somewhat) of a choice instead of just a illusion of it.

I mean MC is a moron kinda, how is he supposed to figure anything out on his own if he is working with nobody? Hes just a stupid boy who fall over a sword because merlin is his grand grand grand grand grand grand grand daddy but otherwise has no agency at all.

Thats why (imo) its rather stupid (or overemotional) to burn bridges with the parents/templars EVEN IF you intend to take them down and see them as the shit dubious organization they are.

I mean i guess the dev could include a ending with either the dead of the mc or him really getting away from anything (how tho? Someone will hunt him anyway) but would that really make you happy?

Imo its great that we have the possiblity to play a overly angry MC who cuts ties with everyone but at the same time its logical that this MC should be at a information/ability disadvantage.

That would be logical, but I my opinion we ain't missing on the most critical stuff, but lore and some scenes instead of variations of them, instead getting into plot holes of stuff that doesn't seem right on angry "Fuck you all" MC playthrough. You get bits and pieces of interactions that are meant for MC who is actually interacting with the characters around.
The most obvious is Kaiju. If I managed to count correctly you can tell her to "fuck off", at least three times, but MC still does have friendly and flirtarious chat with her on few ocasions.

 

[Knightcvel]

I think thats one of the strenghts of this avn and so far the branching seems to make it work.

Imo its reasonable that you get less information and miss critical stuff if you ... decide to not engage with anyone, thats literally the logical conclusion. I would see it as a plus that were still able to take these choices, it feels less streamlined than the usual avn to me like that and really gives (somewhat) of a choice instead of just a illusion of it.

I mean MC is a moron kinda, how is he supposed to figure anything out on his own if he is working with nobody? Hes just a stupid boy who fall over a sword because merlin is his grand grand grand grand grand grand grand daddy but otherwise has no agency at all.

Thats why (imo) its rather stupid (or overemotional) to burn bridges with the parents/templars EVEN IF you intend to take them down and see them as the shit dubious organization they are.

I mean i guess the dev could include a ending with either the dead of the mc or him really getting away from anything (how tho? Someone will hunt him anyway) but would that really make you happy?

Imo its great that we have the possiblity to play a overly angry MC who cuts ties with everyone but at the same time its logical that this MC should be at a information/ability disadvantage.

He has other sources as Fiona e Odin, himself. It's possible to get information in Neverwhere and other places. Cutting ties with his family is the first step to make his own path. Until now, everything was given to him, even if the insurance company is not a templar asset, they have influence there, and also the university is full of templar babies. Also, his mother is monitoring his cellphone since long. So burning brigdes is a must if he wants to have a life of his own and grow as a character.

 

[lorkdubo]

Revenge is one thing. But, ealistically thinking, It would take way too much time and effort to do anything resonably impactful to expose the order to the world. Like, MC doesn't really know how much power order has and how great it it's reach, even i thier numbers are rather limited. I would simply let it go and allowed those toddlers to extinct by trying to win a darwin's award, instead of risking an assassin knocking down the door.


Being protective is one thing. I believe all good parents want to save thier kids from the evil of our world, but this is the case of the worst parenting I ever saw.

"We are secret order with powerful enemies, that's why we though rising you under our names in our family house and keeping you oblivious to our secret jobs would save you from being targeted to influence us and our cult, because some CO allowed two parents to be together on patrol and they died making thier kid an orphan. But worry not, we have secret guards protecting you, which are not with you most of the time, because we lack manpower and argue all the time!"

Okay, telling 8 old kids "daddy and mommy are part of the cult" ain't the smartest idea, robbing them of thier childhood when they can't barely undestand the math, but withholding such impotant informations for such long time?

That's putting thier kids in danger, not protecting them. And planting Kaiju bodyguard instead of propely teaching kids how to handle weapons and fight in hand to hand combat perhaps as a hobby, so they could use those skills when needed, if they get attacked by someone? Sure, that would be manipulation, which is bad thing to do too, but surely not as bad as and unforgivable as living your whole life being in possible danger, being lied to without knowing your GF is actually with you because of an assignment.

If I were MC I would grow a very unhealthy paranoia, expecting anyone I see on the street or I talk with to be part of the order, because parents forgot to actually tell me and teach me rather important stuff on which my life rather depends on.

Thing is a lot of the stuff is illogical and not needed. The assignment to Kaija was not needed, as they were childhood friends, best friends, and were already in love with each other. Given the assignment just sour everything up, when it was already going to happen. And, not informing your kids there is a supernatural world is so ass. Image being in the Harry Potter Universe, your parents are wizards, and they don't inform you about it to you to protect you, and you waste your chance to go to Hogwarts.
Actually, not even just wizards, but the head of the Ministry of Magic or the Director of Hogwarts.

 

[Knightcvel]

I think the only way to get rid of Templar influence and vigilance is going to the Alvar land or even better, going with Fiona to her realm where times passes much slower in a way that a few weeks will be decades on earth. After that, everyone with ties to MC would be long dead and he would be forgotten and he would be able to start over in a world where he is not being watched

 

[Knightcvel]

Thing is a lot of the stuff is illogical and not needed. The assignment to Kaija was not needed, as they were childhood friends, best friends, and were already in love with each other. Given the assignment just sour everything up, when it was already going to happen. And, not informing your kids there is a supernatural world is so ass. Image being in the Harry Potter Universe, your parents are wizards, and they don't inform you about it to you to protect you, and you waste your chance to go to Hogwarts.
Actually, not even just wizards, but the head of the Ministry of Magic or the Director of Hogwarts.

MC's dad gave a reasonable explanation. It was not for him, but because he promised her grandfather he would train her but never put her in any mission where she would be in danger. So he assigned her to watch for MC so that she would be far from any action, and limited her missions only to intelligence gathering in Neverwhere. She complains she never were assigned to missions combat related and even is being left out during the war.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Okay, time for some confessions
- I struggled to unlock [My Anchor], but honestly, it seems like the wrong option.
- I made a playthrough to see what happens if you sleep with Elea and Linnae
- Finally, since I have the maturity of a 5-year-old

If it helps, she got well and truly fucked at the end of the last episode.

She hasn't been able to stand up since.

You are an evil woman

On the other hand, no one in their right mind expected that Fiona would remain a virgin for a couple of tens of thousands of years.

Oh no NTR! Fiona's route is ruined forever [sarcasm]

 

[Krytax123]

I don't see it as emotional or stupid. It just is. It's...inevitable. There are no options here as far as I'm concerned. His entire life they railroaded him into that scenario. In my world I can't even conceive forgiveness as a remote possibility after what was done to him.

I mean it depends on the perspective. Out of the perspective of a hurt guy who doesnt give much of a fuck about all this stuff (other then being angry) it makes sense and maybe be inevitable i suppose.

But if youre playing out of the perspective to get revenge for fin for example or just wanting to be a guy who stops a war orrr someone who seriously wants to take the templars down, its more logical aka less emotional to get as much information (and allies) as possible to take down whoever you want to take down (templars, hellspawn, alfar, whatever).

Yes. Why would it not? Not every story gets to have a happy ending. Doesn't mean you just give up and stop trying to achieve it. Neverwhere is a threat to mankind. Templars are a threat to mankind. A happy ending for me would be ending those threats permanently. If the MC gets to live beyond that is inconsequential.

Again kinda depends on the perspective. I mean youre very concerned about the templars, their wrongdoings and facisct strucure which surely is understandable. They call themself the shield of mankind and fail miserably at that BUT imo they are serving kinda the opposite purpose without being aware of it.

They are not really shielding mankind against threats from neverwhere. They are shielding neverwhere against mankind (without the intention?). But imagine neverwhere becoming public knowledge, neverwhere would get flooded/colonized/conquered by humanity and all other races would probably suffer due to (i would at least suspect that).

So dunno, it is really a good idea to infest another reality with us parasite humans? All a matter of perspective.

Ngl I would love an alternate ending where the MC just turned his back on it all and tried to live a happy peaceful life. Let the rest of the morons sort it out That would be my canon ending.

I would like that too with the addition of some hellspawn/deity/whatever turning up a few years later and killing him

 

[Avaron1974]

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Yes, an ancient immortal is likely to have had a lot of sex.

Were you expecting her to stay a virgin forever?

 

[Krytax123]

He has other sources as Fiona e Odin, himself. It's possible to get information in Neverwhere and other places. Cutting ties with his family is the first step to make his own path. Until now, everything was given to him, even if the insurance company is not a templar asset, they have influence there, and also the university is full of templar babies. Also, his mother is monitoring his cellphone since long. So burning brigdes is a must if he wants to have a life of his own and grow as a character.

RNasci_13 Did not only cut ties with the templars, he doesnt have a relationship with fiona or the elves either if i understood him right.
And the discussion was not about morals or anything like that. Its about the amount of information you get which logically will be less with less sources available.

 

[HornyyPussy]

Yes, an ancient immortal is likely to have had a lot of sex.

Were you expecting her to stay a virgin forever?

Well, there are people around here who gets upset when a woman who has a child is not a virgin when she has a lewd scene so....

 

[SamualHand]

Well, there are people around here who gets upset when a woman who has a child is not a virgin when she has a lewd scene so....

Virgin MILFs are the best, how can you argue about that? They are just very rare!

 

[c.mork]

Yes, an ancient immortal is likely to have had a lot of sex.

Were you expecting her to stay a virgin forever?

Looks like people didn't get my joke. I don't care if someone is not a virgin, whether 18 years old or 1000.

To explain the joke: I'll have to manwhore to make up for not being on Fiona path when I do a replay. "Takes 7 women if I can't have Flidais."

 

[HornyyPussy]

Virgin MILFs are the best, how can you argue about that? They are just very rare!

I can only think of one.......