The start of a degenerate no-lifer game dev project

Void · Mar 21, 2024

So essentially what I wanna do is become a full-time H game developer, full-on no-lifing this thing. These games have been a full-on passion for me throughout my life and I've decided it's about that time I pursue this passion, to be a dev that delivers projects from start to finish with no abandoning or slow progress. Cutting the grandiose bs I want to develop unrestricted H games. I know it will be a long road of learning and headaches but I am hyped to develop games that will create enjoyable memories as many other games have for me, for these communities that I love.

But as the first point in this project, a stable support foundation is required. As many a time I've seen before, developers have been stopped by the sites they've built their financial and community support on.

I want to ask for advice for where I should start my support structure for this project without being restricted by the tos .etc. If the game(s) I develop include loli, bestiality or rape or even include content the site would find offensive. What's my best options so I can build this project without worry of it being halted by outside variables?

I appreciate all help on this!

Hagatagar · Mar 21, 2024

You got a little mixup there, the learning comes first, the support afterwards.
Or do you expect that people will support you even though you have nothing to show (yet), let alone know if you can even manage to do all that, either as in the actual programming and stuff or the endurance for all that, the lack of which so many devs have fallen victim to.

If you are serious about your project (and not just in for the money (if so, you do you, it's "easier" to make (some) money with niche kinks after all)), you should do this first, otherwise you are on the best way to Abandonedville.

Count Morado · Mar 21, 2024

Void said:
These games have been a full-on passion for me throughout my life... I am hyped to develop games that will create enjoyable memories as many other games have for me, for these communities that I love.

Full-on passion... first-ever post in nearly 7 years.

Void said:
But as the first point in this project, a stable support foundation is required.

Get a full-time job in a traditional company near your home. Open a savings account. Create games as a hobby/side gig. Be prepared for every decision you make about your game to both be glorified and vilified. Be prepared for no matter how much time and effort you put into an update that you will get a lot of people complaining that you took too long for too little content. Be prepared to spend thousands of hours on developing for very little income (average developer can expect $100 USD per month after 4 years of development) or losing money, putting your savings into technology and learning and other aspects of game design.

Void said:
If the game(s) I develop include loli, bestiality or rape or even include content the site would find offensive. What's my best options so I can build this project without worry of it being halted by outside variables?

Best options? Don't create a game with that content. Second best options? Maybe Subscribestar. Maybe. Third best options? None at this time.

Also, make sure you don't live in a country where even producing/distributing drawings of that content is illegal. What's worse than going broke making an adult game? Making bank and then having to spend it all on court fees, attorneys, and possible civil/criminal fines while spending time in prison or a penitentiary. If your country does have such laws about the content and you do decide to create a game - hopefully, if your country has a modicum of decency and they wouldn't put you in general circulation, but in a facility with others who are convicted of sex crimes. But then you'd be known as the guy who got nabbed "drawing lolis" while bunking with a possible violent rapist.

I wish you the best of luck.

Artemissu · Mar 21, 2024

Also, if you are yet to start your first project, start with something small. Too many devs wants to start big and ambitious right out of the gate, and then either lose the drive mid-way or mess up big after a while because the game grew way bigger past their experience... So start with small projects at first, nothing too grandiose, and slowly up the scale from there.

Lerd0 · Mar 21, 2024

Hagatagar said:
Or do you expect that people will support you even though you have nothing to show

..has happened before.....will happen again.....

Void said:
I want to ask for advice for where I should start my support structure for this project without being restricted by the tos .etc. If the game(s) I develop include loli, bestiality or rape or even include content the site would find offensive. What's my best options so I can build this project without worry of it being halted by outside variables?

substar....boosty....that crypto onlyfans clone that i forget the name of.......
..good luck.....

Count Morado · Mar 21, 2024

Lerd0 said:
.boosty...

Boosty is not an option.

Lerd0 · Mar 21, 2024

Count Morado said:
Boosty is not an option.
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..never seen them yeet anyone tho.....don't think they enforce anything......considering some of the games that are there.....

Count Morado · Mar 21, 2024

Lerd0 said:
..never seen them yeet anyone tho.....don't think they enforce anything......considering some of the games that are there.....
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As we all know, just because they've been lax up until now doesn't mean they won't crack down at some point. Also, Boosty seems even more restrictive than Patreon... when, at some point, they do decide to crack down.

Lerd0 · Mar 21, 2024

Count Morado said:
As we all know, just because they've been lax up until now doesn't mean they won't crack down at some point. Also, Boosty seems even more restrictive than Patreon... when, at some point, they do decide to crack down.
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....think they die before they start enforcing...but ok...
...just use the scuffed crypto onlyfans one then......

Count Morado · Mar 21, 2024

Lerd0 said:
....think they die before they start enforcing...but ok...

Possibly (I mean, to an extent, I agree with you). However, i don't think the person wants to fuck around and find out 5 years from now (like some developers have).

Subscribestar's prohibitions are interesting, as well.

I think the key word in this entire list is "live" in #5 and I think gives the implication that it may be that way throughout that list ( implies "live bestiality", "live rape", "live incest"). If I were an attorney for a client whose account was yeeted from Subscribestar for content (in the future) - I would definitely use that as one argument. #2 would also yeet every adult game developer from the site - but any judge worth their salt would side with a developer saying that #2 is too vague and overbroad - as none of those have any legal definition in the vastness of the laws and statutes in the world (lewd has a few very narrow definitions regarding very specific acts, in some cases).

Lerd0 · Mar 21, 2024

Count Morado said:
Possibly (I mean, to an extent, I agree with you). However, i don't think the person wants to fuck around and find out 5 years from now (like some developers have).

Subscribestar's prohibitions are interesting, as well.
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I think the key word in this entire list is "live" in #5 and I think gives the implication that it may be that way throughout that list ( implies "live bestiality", "live rape", "live incest"). If I were an attorney for a client whose account was yeeted from Subscribestar for content (in the future) - I would definitely use that as one argument. #2 would also yeet every adult game developer from the site - but any judge worth their salt would side with a developer saying that #2 is too vague and overbroad - as none of those have any legal definition in the vastness of the laws and statutes in the world (lewd has a few very narrow definitions regarding very specific acts, in some cases).

..with all the atention substar gettin lately.....they probs will have to start enforcing rules too.......

Artemissu · Mar 21, 2024

Count Morado said:
Possibly (I mean, to an extent, I agree with you). However, i don't think the person wants to fuck around and find out 5 years from now (like some developers have).

Subscribestar's prohibitions are interesting, as well.
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I think the key word in this entire list is "live" in #5 and I think gives the implication that it may be that way throughout that list ( implies "live bestiality", "live rape", "live incest"). If I were an attorney for a client whose account was yeeted from Subscribestar for content (in the future) - I would definitely use that as one argument. #2 would also yeet every adult game developer from the site - but any judge worth their salt would side with a developer saying that #2 is too vague and overbroad - as none of those have any legal definition in the vastness of the laws and statutes in the world (lewd has a few very narrow definitions regarding very specific acts, in some cases).

I think by "live," they really mean real children involved. Though it's strange that they only state live child pornography, so... I guess live rape (with adults) is fair game?!

And Number 2 is straight up bullshit, unless they're too lazy to enforce it lol

Lerd0 · Mar 21, 2024

Artemissu said:
unless they're too lazy to enforce it lol

anne O'nymous · Mar 21, 2024

Count Morado said:
I think the key word in this entire list is "live" in #5 and I think gives the implication that it may be that way throughout that list ( implies "live bestiality", "live rape", "live incest"). If I were an attorney for a client whose account was yeeted from Subscribestar for content (in the future) - I would definitely use that as one argument.

Personally, as attorney I would goes further and present "live" as it is used by media, even none English speaking ones: "Live" mean that the event are happening right now.
What would make real cp permit, as long as you aren't streaming it "live". And, joining you one the logic that it also apply for #1 and #2, by extension everything is permit, as long as it isn't a direct stream from your go pro or whatever cam.

This seriously lack of the strength expected for something that is supposed to be a legal document.
But I wonder why did they/he do that turn. For its adult part, SubscribeStar built its user base on the sub part of adult content they now expect to forbid. But it can't be to secure a deal with the payment processors like for Patreon, I doubt that SubscribeStar have the millions for the frozen security deposit that is mandatory for such deal.

Artemissu said:
And Number 2 is straight up bullshit, unless they're too lazy to enforce it lol

Lazy I don't know, but lacking of manpower to do it, with the too many, "hey, how long does it take to be approved", and other, "they never respond to me", that can be found, I'm confident on this.

It's seriously a strange move they are doing here.

Artemissu · Mar 22, 2024

anne O'nymous said:
Personally, as attorney I would goes further and present "live" as it is used by media, even none English speaking ones: "Live" mean that the event are happening right now.
What would make real cp permit, as long as you aren't streaming it "live". And, joining you one the logic that it also apply for #1 and #2, by extension everything is permit, as long as it isn't a direct stream from your go pro or whatever cam.

This seriously lack of the strength expected for something that is supposed to be a legal document.
But I wonder why did they/he do that turn. For its adult part, SubscribeStar built its user base on the sub part of adult content they now expect to forbid. But it can't be to secure a deal with the payment processors like for Patreon, I doubt that SubscribeStar have the millions for the frozen security deposit that is mandatory for such deal.

Lazy I don't know, but lacking of manpower to do it, with the too many, "hey, how long does it take to be approved", and other, "they never respond to me", that can be found, I'm confident on this.

It's seriously a strange move they are doing here.

It could be that the anti-porn rules are simply there to make Substar look "clean" in the eyes of the authorities. "Oh hey authorities, look, we clearly ban all kinds of degenerate shit on our website, see, we're totally legit!!!" But if that's the case, then they can only get away with it while it is still a small platform, sorta... The moment Subscribestar grows as big as Patreon for example, then they might have to start reinforcing their rules (which would backfire tremendously on them, since a substantial part of their userbase are involved with NSFW stuff)

In any case, i'll agree with you that it is certainly strange what they are doing. I just hope Substar never turns their back on their NSFW content, but considering the world we live in now, i wouldn't hold my breath...

anne O'nymous · Mar 22, 2024

Artemissu said:
It could be that the anti-porn rules are simply there to make Substar look "clean" in the eyes of the authorities.

Who would buy it ? It's not like the said authorities would just read the terms of service.

Whatever the reason they'll come, with the amount of borderline games funded through SubscribeStar, they'll not need many try before finding something that is forbidden by the rules. They'll ask the owner about this, and keep an eye on the site, to know if it's a reliable one or not. And the less reliable it will looks, the more it will draw their attention.
Writing this in their rules and not enforcing it is the worse possible move, because the day it will be found, it will attract way too many attention. I mean, if SubscribeStar don't try, and probably don't even really care, to enforce its rules regarding bestiality, rape and incest, why would the authorities believe that it enforce its rules regarding CP ?
I would looks like a subterfuge, and who would use a subterfuge if he have nothing to hide ?

Artemissu said:
The moment Subscribestar grows as big as Patreon for example, [...]

Will they ever ?

Patreon was funded in 2013, and their revenue for 2017 was estimated around