Waste my time installing this website smh. I'm uninstslling this website
This is more like a website then a accrual game.
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God, gen Z have soom really stupid elements...
Using hi-tech 24/24, but totally deprived of the starts of a clue regarding what they are doing. I guess it's why Gen X and Y are working on AI, because in a near future the the natural one will have totally disappeared.
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He probably "uninstalls" games by deleting desktop shortcuts too.
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I wouldn't jump to this conclusion. I know a lot of gen x who would do this same thing. Also millennials.
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What you want to do is just after it starts hold Ctrl and Alt together then hit the delete key three or four times....
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Every generation in power roles has always seen the people in younger generations as entitled little twats.
Every
Single
Generation
As an example:
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And for the funnies:
Who is really the problem? More often than not, I would say it's the old fogies who can't seem to keep up with the times and forget how they were treated when they were younger and what their reactions were... and being an old fogey, I try not to allow my implicit biases about people of ages different than my own to colour my judgment and my explicit actions.
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While I agree with you on this, as I do for the, unquoted, "every generation" part, it's not the same situation here, because it's not a question of adaptation; nor is it a question of laziness.
Gen Z do not have to adapt to technology, it's surrounding every aspect of their life. And it's precisely the issue here, because they consume it, where all the previous generations use it.
To take an old, but yet similar, situation, take drivers from the 1900's to 1920's, and compare them to nowadays drivers. The first ones were able to fix their car, because they had no other choices, while half of the last ones need a tutorial to change a flat tire.
And it's the same for Gen Z and technology. Whatever if we are Boomer, Gen X or even Gen Y, we had to be taught (self-taught for most of us) how to use it, what imply that we acquired some kind of knowledge, as basic as some can be, like making the difference between a website and a software, a forum and an online game.
But Gen Z are taught nothing, they instinctively learn to use technology because it's there. And like they use it, nobody think to teach them how to do it. They'll see a screen in a shop, they'll press it; it's instinctive because for them it's how it should works. Previous generations seeing the same screen will first looks it there's a keyboard, because they know that it's a possibility.
Of course, I was sarcastic and grumpy when saying that natural intelligent is disappearing, yet there's truth in this. We (humanity in its whole) are slowly loosing knowledge, including useful one, because technology made it irrelevant... as long as the said technology works. And it also apply to the way to use that technology.
Compare internet now, to what it was 10 years ago, then to what it was 20 years ago. What Gen Z would make its own website on the personal space offered by its ISP? Do ISP even still offer personal space? It was Internet 20 years ago, full of personal website that you had to create yourself, what taught you something (and not only that you have really bad taste and should never be a designer). Then 10 years ago, personal websites faded, replaced by personal blogs. No more needs to know how to use HTML, but you still needed to learn the basic concept behind Internet for your blog to works.
And now it's full social media, that need absolutely no knowledge.
And it's what is seen through what OP said. What triggered me isn't the confusion between website and game, but the "install" part. And, contrarily to what you said previously, no Gen Z, Gen X, and not even Boomers, would confuse registering to a website with installing something; some boomers did in the past but, as lost as they are face to all this technology, they now all know the difference, even if they perhaps not understand it.
It's a confusion that only someone who, globally, never known something else than mobile devices, therefore a Gen Z, can make. What doesn't mean that all Gen Z make it, just that they are the only one who can make it.
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I disagree. Too many years seeing people with flashing clocks on VHS players. Too many years of me doing basic Excel for friends (young and old). Too many years of watching people not take advantage of the technology around them.
My mother has been on the internet for 20+ years - she still doesn't know the difference between her email app and her web browser. She has no inclination to learn the difference. She's never tried to learn to use a word processing program (MS or Google or OpenOffice, nothing). She thinks if her browser has problems that it's because she lost connection to the internet. She has no sense of curiosity about it. It's not age, it's a lack of curiosity. That happens no matter how old a person is.
As for your taxi drivers example and personal webpage example - I think you're looking backwards at what you know now and applying your perspective from where you sit in time to give your support for your opinion, instead of using eyes of the contemporaries of those drivers. And I don't think you have anything that would back up your statement of "while half of the last ones need a tutorial to change a flat tire."
That said, I don't need to know how to change a tire or change oil or work on my car nowadays because it is cheap enough (in comparison) for others to do it (though I do know how to change a tire, etc). Also, it's less of a priority for me to. Also, with as much computer-integration there are in cars --- it makes the level of entry into that knowledge much steeper of a climb (see Adam Savage discussing this on his TESTED YouTube channel and the sad expression he shows talking about this).
As for the personal webpages --- I believe you are looking with nostalgic rose-tinted glasses. Firstly, those who were technology minded DIDN'T use AOL to serve them the pablum of filtered internet. Those people who used Compuserv, Delphi, Earthlink, etc were more technologically inclined and therefore would be more likely to make their own websites. A VERY VERY small minority of the userbase. Secondly, do you not remember MySpace and the godawful customizations when the average (or less than average) person actually had access to "easy ways to customize your page!"?
We don't need to know HTML because we have WYSIWYG design tools. Just like how we had Visual BASIC, Visual C++ and other Visual interfaces to replace old programming languages. Just like we had programming languages replace machine language that replaced punched cards.
I'm going to sound offensive, but this sounds very much like the old "I walked uphill both ways to school in two feet of snow in the winter and in 40C heat in the late summer --- these kids got it easy nowadays."
So, no, I don't think it is an age thing -- AT ALL -- I think it is a simple lack of curiosity on how things work and that transcends age. I see it with people of all ages with whom I interact with on a daily basis. I literally asked a friend (older Millennial, maybe last year or so Gen X, even) if the battery needed charged on the forklift we borrowed. He was sitting in the seat and he looked at me and said that he "didn't know." This is a guy who passes mechanical aptitude tests. He works on production equipment daily. He works on his own cars. This is what the display looks like:
He said no one told him what the different symbols meant. I had to walk over and show him.
But I do agree (sometimes seriously and sometimes humourously) with Cole's Axiom: The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the population is growing. Axiome de Cole : La somme de l’intelligence répartie sur la planète est une constante ; la population augmente.
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It wasn't limited to taxi drivers, it applied to all car drivers. And, while I obviously haven't lived those times, I had the chance to born with all my great grand parents alive, the last one dying when I was 25. Plus some family friends that were also elders; I mean, I learned what it was to be a soldier on the West front during WWI by someone who was a soldier on the West front during WWI; I have no doubt that he partly sugarcoated it, yet it was already far from the usual Hollywood representation at this time...
So, what I said, I said it because I know it's a fact. Obviously there were mechanics, but if you broke your car in the middle of nowhere, what did you expect could happen? No one will pass there before hours, perhaps days. This while the first telephone is at hours of walk, and anyway the mechanic will not come before being sure that he'll be payed, because with cars speed at those time, it's a hours long journey.
Either you had fix it yourself, at least strongly enough to reach the next town. Or you let it here and walk, hopping that no one better than you will found it, because cars at this time were fuckingly easy to steal, and almost impossible to find after this.
Wait, reading you I wonder what Internet looked like from your side...
I mean, in Europe all ISPs, including the free ones (because yes, we had free ISPs, minus the cost for the phone call) were offering 10MB to 100MB of personal space to have your own website, behind an "username.ISPname.tld" URL. And when I say "all", I really mean all, even the ones started by the historical phone operator in the country, and therefore used by those who, in the US, were AOL users; AOL wasn't really a thing here.
It was so popular that some ISPs (mostly professional host) had a service purely dedicated to this, offering nothing else than a, free, personal space to host your personal website; exactly like what wordpress is now doing for blogs. Sometimes with also the possibility to link your own domain name to a personal website, to have something better looking that the said "username.ISPname.tld" URL.
And you had a lot of people using this, including boomers not at all familiar with the technology. Something that was possible thanks to the "how to make your own website" tutorials that most ISP had, and IT press that started to include HTML and Flash related content in their magazines. It's something that turned surfing into an archeological study; "ah, there's this effect, oh, and that one too. He started this page in November 2001, and completed it in August 2002".
Like the URLs were based on the username, forgot a letter, press the wrong key, and you had chance to end on something radically different, like by example a grand-pa proudly showing the world photo of his grandchildren, or his collection of whatever he liked to collection.
Yeah... From your side of the world you clearly had a radically different experience. I'll not say that it was a majority of the userbase, but easily half of it had their personal website. I mean, even as advertising for your professional services, you don't starts a free service offering nothing else 100MB of free space if there's not a public to use it.
We had a joke here: To know if you spell a word correctly, enter it as query in google. One ISP was teenagers' favorite, and if the first page was full of personal websites hosted there, you knew for sure that it wasn't the right spelling. For the youngest, yes, there were a time where Google didn't automatically corrected your spelling.
More seriously, before Google started to introduce serious algorithms to weight its results, you had something like 50%, sometimes more, of personal websites in the three first pages, whatever you were searching for. And I can assure you that most weren't made by technology inclined people; if you remember what the web, and browsers, were in the early 00's, you know that a messed HTML page was relatively obvious to notice.
Funny to think how something worldwide can still have been so different depending from where you were seeing it.
I remember it, yes. But it wasn't this popular seen from my part of the world. What in fact also apply other platforms, like photobucket by example.
The experience I have of MySpace, as well as the said other platforms, was diving in another world full of American peoples. I don't remember having seen much more language than English being used there. There were sometimes a bit of Spanish, but I remember clearly the shock when I found a page in French on MySpace, and that I never found another one.
And it wasn't by lack of possible users. I don't remember exactly, but the peak should have been around 10 ISPs (more surely more than less) offering access to Internet and personal space, plus something like 5 ISP offering only personal space for your website. It's just that, why use a service like MySpace, that will constrain you to its global structure, when you can have your own site that have no constraints?
Seen from my side of the world, outside of MySpace and similar services, that were full of English speaking people like I said, the web was a mess full of variety. Before Google starts to efficiently discriminate by language, if you were searching for something not language depending, like coding or porn, you were facing a variety of languages and, as I said, around half of the results were personal websites. When it was porn, the language wasn't an issue, but when it was code related... I remember having sometimes to dive up to google's tenth page to find explanations in a language that I can more or less understand.
And, talking about this, due to the amount of personal websites, going further than the third page of results was something frequent.
Lucky you. Here the WYSIWYG option that to buy a software or, later in time, pay for your personal space. And obviously people weren't buying something to use a free service... What mean that we had the same flashy sites, but made by people who didn't knew how to make them right, and even less "right for all browsers".
Well, seen what you say about the 00's web as it was from your side of the world, it don't just sounds like it, it is it.
In France we had an equivalent to what AOL was at first, therefore an ISP that keep you in its own space and guide you through your Internet journey. It started in 1995, and ended in 2001. This while AOL didn't really worked; why pay what was probably around US$ 15/month to a foreign company, when you have free ISPs?
And, as I said, WYSIWYG was something that you used at home, before uploading your HTML page to your personal space. I'm not totally sure about the date, but here the first ISP to offer WYSIWYG service appear in the late 00's. Yet it was a professional service that had a cheap offer (around US$ 1 for 10MB) for individuals. But, once again, why pay, even just US$ 1/month, when you have 10 time more free space that come with your, free or not, access to Internet?
So... I'm going to sound even more grumpy than usual, be we had to walk uphill both ways. Not because we wanted, but because there were no other ways.
After reading you, I correct my statement: It's an age and culture/society (in a vast meaning) thing.
It looks like that what AOL did when it started, wasn't an attempt to differentiate itself from the competitors, but the result of a market study; "if we want to reach none tech people, we need to take their hand and guide them". And the same study was applied for each steps that followed; if you add something new (like MySpace did by example), you have to do it while holding your users hand and guide them.
Something that absolutely don't happened here. As I said, our equivalent for AOL lasted 6 years, dying, more or less, one year after Internet started to be something that interest the public, therefore when you would expect this kind of offer to be needed the most. And it's not due to the free ISPs, the other paying ISPs survived way longer, some even appearing later. It's more simple than that, if we are mouth fed, we will have to eat what people want us to eat, not what we decide to eat.
Also, and please forgive me if you find it offensive, it's not my intent but you know me, I speak my mind and I rarely sugarcoat, my corrected statement apply for more than just the web thing.
It really looks like you live in a part of the world where peoples are treated like children, having their hand held and being guided through everything; "do not thinks too much, it could hurt you, let me do this for you". And apparently a big part of them are happy with this situation and don't rebel; "come on, I'm not an idiot, tell me and you'll see that I can do it myself".
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All this being said, "I do believe that together humans can lift mountains, alas I know that not enough want to do it for it to happen one day." some stupid grumpy french guy in late 90's
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why would I want to lift a mountain?
on the other hand, it has once and again puzzled me that there isn't an initiative with substantial following trying to build another pyramid - not quite as large as Cheops's (because respect) but almost, just for the heck of it.
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re the OP - with messages as these I always assume that there's been some huge language barrier in the way ...
on the other hand, it has once and again puzzled me that there isn't an initiative with substantial following trying to build another pyramid - not quite as large as Cheops's (because respect) but almost, just for the heck of it.
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re the OP - with messages as these I always assume that there's been some huge language barrier in the way ...
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To impress girls. Girls love strong guys that randomly lift mountains