To Game Devs: Stop making players avoid sex

[ComradeMaethor]

I never understood why so many games (mostly RPGMs) make the porn only accessible by losing the game. At first, it makes sense because people want to see the protagonist get violated, but it starts to get really annoying when you can only complete the game by avoiding the porn entirely. I feel like it defeats the purpose of playing an adult game in the first place.

Night of Revenge is a great example of sex being inconsequential to game progression. If you get knocked down, you can get right back up and continue, or watch a sex scene. And if you die, then you get another sex scene. It's almost completely optional. If I want to just play the game, I can avoid almost all of the porn, but if I'm horny, I can just not get back up when I get knocked down.

I could still see some people enjoying RPGMs as a genre and thinking of the porn as a cool addition to the experience, but as someone who doesn't really like the genre without porn, I don't know why you'd make a porn game where the objective is to avoid the porn.

 

[Count Morado]

I never understood why so many games (mostly RPGMs) make the porn only accessible by losing the game. At first, it makes sense because people want to see the protagonist get violated, but it starts to get really annoying when you can only complete the game by avoiding the porn entirely. I feel like it defeats the purpose of playing an adult game in the first place.

Night of Revenge is a great example of sex being inconsequential to game progression. If you get knocked down, you can get right back up and continue, or watch a sex scene. And if you die, then you get another sex scene. It's almost completely optional. If I want to just play the game, I can avoid almost all of the porn, but if I'm horny, I can just not get back up when I get knocked down.

I could still see some people enjoying RPGMs as a genre and thinking of the porn as a cool addition to the experience, but as someone who doesn't really like the genre without porn, I don't know why you'd make a porn game where the objective is to avoid the porn.

It's a genre. And, when the new tag system is in place, you'll be able to exclude games that use the "game-over-sex" tag so that you don't have to worry about it. (yes, the tag includes if it's a loss, not actual game over).

 

[baneini]

It's somewhat similar situation with games like Karryns prison and sengoku rance where getting a sex scene feels like a punishment due to poor art and anatomy.
Its really core to game design to keep sex scenes as a reward for playing and succeeding in gameplay challenges.

 

[Logan1377]

Maybe not exactly what you were going on, but when a game has a protagonist who's scared of women or even uninterested in having sex, it drives me crazy. Especially if they're put into a situation where hot women are actively trying to fuck him and he keeps rejecting them. I cannot understand the point of doing that in an erotic game.

if the player sucks at talking to/seducing women and has to work his way up as a challenge, that's a totally different thing, so long as he really wants to have sex. But the avoidance stuff is just so odd.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

It's a genre. And, when the new tag system is in place

Which is, of course, soon™



But no. Tags don't work well for exclusionary purposes.

 

[Count Morado]

Tags don't work well for exclusionary purposes.

They do, in my experience. But maybe I'm less demanding on expectations in games found here than are others.

 

[Logan1377]

Which is, of course, soon™



But no. Tags don't work well for exclusionary purposes.

Its certainly hit and miss. Some are absolutely useless in that respect. Others it works well though, especially if you're trying to exclude an entire format of game.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

They do, in my experience. But maybe I'm less demanding on expectations in games found here than are others.

I mean... if you're okay with excluding a game with 99 regular scenes and 1 gameover scene, then yes. But otherwise, no. Correct my assumption, if such a game would not warrant the gameover-sex tag.

It can be useful for tags that usually denote central themes, or styles. Like rape, ntr, incest, 3DCG/2DCG. These, if present, usually relate to a big chunk of the work, if not all of it. But a large portion of tags, under current or planned systems are just... not that.

 

[Count Morado]

I mean... if you're okay with excluding a game with 99 regular scenes and 1 gameover scene, then yes. But otherwise, no. Correct my assumption, if such a game would not warrant the gameover-sex tag.

If a person finds necessity to use "game-over-sex" tag as an exclusion rule - then yes, 1 scene is sufficient. If the person can sometimes look over a game-over-sex scene, then they shouldn't be using the exclusion rule, they should be going into the thread and reading the description, perusing other folks posts, using the search function within the game's thread, maybe even reading the reviews... and possibly giving the game a try for themselves.

The whole search system was never and is never meant to hyper-target strictly on games "perfect" for any and every player's intent with the player actually having to do a little investigating, themselves. That's impossible endeavor even for many/most paid platforms that categorize games. It's supposed to help winnow it down to a more manageable number than simply "all games."

This is a free site with volunteers administrating/moderating it in their free time for nearly 7 million registered members to peruse for their free entertainment wants - the ad revenue and any donations go back into running the site, not into the pockets of any of the staff. So things will take longer to implement, some tags will be wrong (but that's what the REPORT button is for), and there are going to be hiccups along the way.

And that is what I mean by my having a lower demand on expectations for this site. We obviously have differing demands.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

I never understood why so many games (mostly RPGMs) make the porn only accessible by losing the game. At first, it makes sense because people want to see the protagonist get violated, but it starts to get really annoying when you can only complete the game by avoiding the porn entirely. I feel like it defeats the purpose of playing an adult game in the first place.

The answer to that is that there are games with porn, and not really porn games, and that the narrative demands it. Specifically this subset of games has a narrative where sex is delivered by the enemies: pure maiden vs monstrous rapists. Such games often have a somber tone. So, naturally, the logical thing for gameplay is to encourage the player to avoid sex as much as possible, otherwise the whole narrative crumbles.

It's not a reconcilable conflict in design, but people LOVE this type of narrative and a darker tone. You said it yourself, want to see the protagonist get violated. And it's not a violation if the heroine can just casually shrug it off.

The workaround that is becoming more common (or at least I think it is) is opening the gallery both on gameover and victory over specific boss/stage. If you lose, you see the scene. If you win, you open the gallery and see the scene as a sort of what-if scenario. Ideally the game difficuly is tuned so you naturally lose a couple times, git gud, and progress further.

 

[trc450]

Fantasy of being defeated adds to the scene, I would love to see this in general games as a punishment for morals choices good , bad or greedy whatever.

Moira brown ghouled on top would stop those normies blowing up the megaton.

 

[unocrus]

This is a big problem with female protagonist games. It's also why, despite being ancient and unfinished, Violated Heroine still stomps on most other games in its genre.