RPGM Tower of Trample [v1.18.0.4 + Standalone SC3] [Bo Wei/Koda]

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Punk80954

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If you actually wanna help Koda in some way, why don't you get a bunch of discord ppl together to try and get him to consider going to see a mental health expert?
Or, you know, you can keep on pretending there's nothing wrong with him and post more weak, low-effort bait if that's your thing...
For the longest time I considered your claims that Koda go see a mental health expert nothing but a meme. But now with this whole level 0 fuck up I think you’re on to something. I mean homeboy said it would be ready in a week like what? 2-3 months ago? It’s all at it’s core nothing but a porn game, that’s why I try and not take any of this seriously, nor am I a patron so I mean whatever. But in some way I think Koda does need some counseling either mentally or professionally.
 

GearlessJoe

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Again with the mental health claims? Can't you just leave that aside? Believe me I'm upset as much as anyone about the delays, but playing psychologist is going too far. Going by that logic you should also be consulting for the amount of aggression you exude here. The only thing we should do is convince people to stop supporting those guys and support their direct competitors instead.
I already addressed the vacuous argument that I'm "playing psychologist" here, you're welcome to go read it and try to debunk any claims I'm making if you think you're up for it. And if you must know, I am going to a psychologist myself, but not for "exuding aggression" like you put it (if my handful of snide remarks are what you'd consider aggression then I'm jealous of the sheltered life you've been living), since that is hardly comparable to whatever's going on in Koda's case, since it's very clearly been affecting his ability to function in a professional setting for a while now... i.e. shit's really serious, he should maybe be getting help from an expert.
For the longest time I considered your claims that Koda go see a mental health expert nothing but a meme. But now with this whole level 0 fuck up I think you’re on to something. I mean homeboy said it would be ready in a week like what? 2-3 months ago? It’s all at it’s core nothing but a porn game, that’s why I try and not take any of this seriously, nor am I a patron so I mean whatever. But in some way I think Koda does need some counseling either mentally or professionally.
The way I see it we've got 3 possible explanations for Koda's behaviour:

1. He's a perfectly healthy young man who means well. Everyone misses deadlines, delays happen, release dates should always be taken with a grain of salt. He's just a perfectionist, good games take time, a rushed game is forever bad, yada yada.
The only ones who actually believe this are newcomers who are in a state of disbelief at Koda's antics, or delusional long-time Patreon supporters who are unable to come to terms with the fact that they've been throwing money at a lazy scammer-type who's been taking them for suckers all this time, or a sick man who'll never use that money for mental treatment because everyone keeps pretending that he's a-okay.
No one who thinks this is the case should be taken seriously.

2. He's an opportunist who realized that with such a docile base of supporters who won't rock the boat no matter what, he can get away with working less and less, all the while raking in those Patreon bucks along with Bo Wei. In this scenario the "mastermind" could actually be Bo himself, using Koda as his scapegoat and meat shield (it would make sense since Bo likes to pretend he's got next to no agency over his projects despite being the Head in their little "Boda" partnership).
Nothing as villanous or exaggerated as some people like to make it seem, just a bunch of slimy guys who saw an opportunity to take advantage of a bunch of overly-trusting dudes with open wallets and then took it. I wouldn't put either of them above doing this tbh (especially Bo), but if it is true there's nothing we can do besides calling patrons dumb and telling people to stop pledging, which only seems to embolden them in their financial support lmao

3. What I've been saying, Koda needs to go see a mental health expert because his increasing lack of motivation is a symptom of a mental health issue. Could be anxiety, could be depression, that's for a professional to determine, all we can ascertain is that the dude is not fine.

1 is just ridiculous by this point, Idk if it's 2 or 3 but they're the only serious explanations that I can come up with. If anyone's got other theories then feel free to share 'em.
 
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Asavar

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3. What I've been saying, Koda needs to go see a mental health expert because his increasing lack of motivation is a symptom of a mental health issue. Could be anxiety, could be depression, that's for a professional to determine, all we can ascertain is that the dude is not fine.
You do realize that devs can become burnt out on their projects lol. Doesnt mean they're suffering from mental health issues
 

GearlessJoe

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You do realize that devs can become burnt out on their projects lol. Doesnt mean they're suffering from mental health issues
You do realize that:
Koda's been burnt out for 2 years now
Their latest project which we should've gotten months ago isn't ToT related, it's an entirely new thing

If what you're saying is that Koda's been burnt out of making any kind of h-game for 2 years, then how is that any different than scenario 2? If he realizes he's too unmotivated and burnt out to keep to the deadlines and he keeps at it anyway because there'll be no repercussions, then I'm sorry buddy, you're being played
 

bahamut2195

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Burnout is a real concern with projects like this, for sure. Still, I think GearlessJoe is right when it comes to Koda not really having any consequences besides snarky F95 user comments. It's been proven that Bo Wei will still support him, and Patreon donations will not be significantly affected. If he is unconcerned about the complaining and still getting his money, what actual motivation does he have to compete anything?

Morality? Pride? Integrity? Those are certainly not a necessity to be a game developer. Assuming Koda doesn't care much about his image, he has no actual reason to do anything in a timely manner. The only real consequence is a drop in Patreon support to give him a kick in the ass, but that isn't happening. So here we are, with a dev that doesn't need to change as there is no real pressure to, and a fanbase that is largely sick of his apathy but can't influence it any other way than to get annoyed with those enabling Koda.

I honestly believe that people on here aren't really angry at the Patreons, though. They are angry at Koda, but he doesn't actually face criticism. Thus, the Patreons get attacked unjustly.
 

Asavar

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You do realize that:
Koda's been burnt out for 2 years now
Their latest project which we should've gotten months ago isn't ToT related, it's an entirely new thing

If what you're saying is that Koda's been burnt out of making any kind of h-game for 2 years, then how is that any different than scenario 2? If he realizes he's too unmotivated and burnt out to keep to the deadlines and he keeps at it anyway because there'll be no repercussions, then I'm sorry buddy, you're being played
You're basically saying that Bo has mental health issues too because he's apparently been working on part 3 where he himself stated in june or july that he needed another month for it.

Not sure what you mean by being played, I subbed for only 1 month before realizing what they're doing.

I understand that you're very pissy about this, but claiming mental issues is just dumb.
 

DogStar

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I already addressed the vacuous argument that I'm "playing psychologist" here, you're welcome to go read it and try to debunk any claims I'm making if you think you're up for it. And if you must know, I am going to a psychologist myself, but not for "exuding aggression" like you put it (if my handful of snide remarks are what you'd consider aggression then I'm jealous of the sheltered life you've been living), since that is hardly comparable to whatever's going on in Koda's case, since it's very clearly been affecting his ability to function in a professional setting for a while now... i.e. shit's really serious, he should maybe be getting help from an expert.
You're saying you're not, but giving assumptions that he needs therapy based on his behaviour is definitely playing psychologist, whether you prescribe anything or not...
Regarding my life, my mom's always said she raised me in a nest made of wool, so yeah, I guess I can consider myself lucky, though it has its problems too! And surely you're smart enough to know that you have very strong opinions and that you'll go out of your way to defend them, or maybe it's just your writing style that makes you seem aggressive?


The way I see it we've got 3 possible explanations for Koda's behaviour:

2. He's an opportunist who realized that with such a docile base of supporters who won't rock the boat no matter what, he can get away with working less and less, all the while raking in those Patreon bucks along with Bo Wei. In this scenario the "mastermind" could actually be Bo himself, using Koda as his scapegoat and meat shield (it would make sense since Bo likes to pretend he's got next to no agency over his projects despite being the Head in their little "Boda" partnership).
Nothing as villanous or exaggerated as some people like to make it seem, just a bunch of slimy guys who saw an opportunity to take advantage of a bunch of overly-trusting dudes with open wallets and then took it. I wouldn't put either of them above doing this tbh (especially Bo), but if it is true there's nothing we can do besides calling patrons dumb and telling people to stop pledging, which only seems to embolden them in their financial support lmao

3. What I've been saying, Koda needs to go see a mental health expert because his increasing lack of motivation is a symptom of a mental health issue. Could be anxiety, could be depression, that's for a professional to determine, all we can ascertain is that the dude is not fine.
And based on what I said before, that's why I agree with number 2. We don't know the guy, so it's best to just take it at face value like you described it. It's unfortunate but that's the way it is. Thankfully we have other games or we can just focus on other aspects of our lives.
 

GearlessJoe

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You're basically saying that Bo has mental health issues too because he's apparently been working on part 3 where he himself stated in june or july that he needed another month for it.
???
Bo reported that he was done with "his part of 7F" more than a year ago if I recall correctly. He's just lazy, the one delaying things to oblivion and back, and saying things are almost done 3 months before they're released is Koda, not Bo.
Not sure what you mean by being played, I subbed for only 1 month before realizing what they're doing.
"Realizing what they're doing"? Oh, so you think it's the second scenario. Remind me why we're arguing again?
I understand that you're very pissy about this, but claiming mental issues is just dumb.
What's dumb is the sudden influx of people who are ignorant about mental health issues who for some reason take offense at any mention of Koda possibly having some kind of mental health disorder, despite all the symptoms he's exhibiting.
Also, I'm shedding light on a possiblity, I already said I don't know for sure that's what's up, it could be scenario 2 for all I know, so... pay more attention when you read next time?
You're saying you're not, but giving assumptions that he needs therapy based on his behaviour is definitely playing psychologist, whether you prescribe anything or not...
I think I know what's up.
If I were to tell a person who's overweight that they should start a diet or go to the gym, I doubt any sane person would take offense and say that I'm taking things too far by "playing nutritionist/fitness trainer". But that's because there's no taboo associated with dieting/working out like there is with doing therapy. You just need to understand that there's nothing wrong with going to see a therapist, it doesn't mean that you've got a screw loose, and you don't need to have serious mental issues impacting you to be able to benefit from it. We all have our physical health and our mental health, and should take the proper steps in order to ensure that they don't deteriorate. In that regard, doing therapy and going to the gym should be considered two sides of the same coin.
And based on what I said before, that's why I agree with number 2. We don't know the guy, so it's best to just take it at face value like you described it.
And here there's something I just can't understand. If you and sweet123321 are willing to admit that Koda is taking advantage of their financial supporters on Patreon and knowingly being deceptive by putting up this front where he's always hard at work, and he's still mentally and creatively engaged in the development of the projects, when in fact he's lazying around, or has burnt out long ago, but he knows the patrons won't lift a finger and will continue to throw their money his way...
If you actually believe that he's such a scumbag, why would you be offended when you perceive that someone is calling his sanity into question? This is just perplexing to me, I would've guessed that all bets would be off by this point.

PD: Sorry if my tone is too confrontational
 
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Asavar

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Bo reported that he was done with "his part of 7F" more than a year ago if I recall correctly. He's just lazy, the one delaying things to oblivion and back, and saying things are almost done 3 months before they're released is Koda, not Bo.
I was talking about Swan/Crow part 3, which is a part of 6F. Koda also mentioned sometime in autumn that Bo was still working on it

"Realizing what they're doing"? Oh, so you think it's the second scenario. Remind me why we're arguing again?
I dont know buddy, you mentioned the "second scenario" while I was talking about your third one. Hence the reason I only quoted that one. Looks like you're the one who needs to pay attention.

What's dumb is the sudden influx of people who are ignorant about mental health issues who for some reason take offense at any mention of Koda possibly having some kind of mental health disorder, despite all the symptoms he's exhibiting.
Also, I'm shedding light on a possiblity, I already said I don't know for sure that's what's up, it could be scenario 2 for all I know, so... pay more attention when you read next time?
"it could be scenario 2 for all I know" yet you try to inspire people to group up and get Koda to a mental health expert.
"ignorant about mental health issues" ah yes the famous guy who can tell if people have a mental issue online without ever speaking to them in real life.
You say you're only "shedding light" on the possibility, but get very defensive when someone disagrees with you.


Btw, I never said anything about Koda not taking advantage. He is doing exactly that. I am not defending him.
 
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GearlessJoe

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I was talking about Swan/Crow part 3, which is a part of 6F. Koda also mentioned sometime in autumn that Bo was still working on it
I don't care what you were talking about, my example was independent from your own, and evidence enough that the guy who needs to get their shit together way more urgently is Koda. If you're trying to imply Bo and Koda's situations are at all comparable here then you're 100% being facetious and it's clear as day.
I dont know buddy, you mentioned the "second scenario" while I was talking about your third one. Hence the reason I only quoted that one. Looks like you're the one who needs to pay attention.
Nuh-uh. I brought up the second scenario in the same post that had the third scenario. That's why it's called the third scenario, because there's two more before it, one of which you ignored despite agreeing with it, because you were just looking to start a pointless arguments (that you can't even win lol). Sounds like the one who was "pissy" wasn't me after all.
"it could be scenario 2 for all I know" yet you try to inspire people to group up and get Koda to a mental health expert.
And this is why context is important, kids. When I talk to people who come from the ToT discord such as Revoni (who was baiting btw), I can easily deduce that they don't see scenario 2 as a possibility because they're still presumably supporting Boda on Patreon, which they wouldn't be doing if they thought that scenario 2 held any validity.
"ignorant about mental health issues" ah yes the famous guy who can tell if people have a mental issue online without ever speaking to them in real life.
Thank god trained professionals aren't the only people able to recognize symptoms of illnesses like you seem to think, otherwise our lives would be much harder.
 
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Bo is constantly doing things, and he is fast at what he does. The thing is, everything he works on has to be polished/expanded later by Koda, whose rhythm is ridiculously slower. As we don't see most of what Bo is doing until is revealed by Koda, there is around a common feeling that Bo must be lazy as well, which Bo is well aware of, and ultimately is responsible for out of nowhere applepie releases. Bo doesn't want to look like he is doing nothing while Koda delays his work again and again, so knowing that his work on ToT is not going to be shown until months/years later (whenever Koda decides to finish it), every time Koda takes too long in finishing a task, Bo creates a short applepie that can be finished faster, so to create a fake impression of flow in their releases. However, these shorter applepies need to go through Koda as well (genius move from Bo...), so what actually happens is that more and more stuff gets stacked on Koda's desk to the unbelievable point where we are right now.

I personally don't think that Bo is trying to scam anybody, but his management skills are non-existent, and he is adamant about keeping the model that he has with Koda, where basically they have a strict separation of tasks that allows them to work independently without even talking to each other about what they are doing. He really doesn't want to spend time discussing nor coordinating himself with other people, which has brought about his unusual business relationship with Koda, and all the problems that derive from it. Koda is the person that allows Bo to keep this "ideal" anarchic, autistic management model going on, and while delays are getting out of hand, their Patreon numbers keep growing, and at the end of the day, their work is good. Still, every system has its limitations, and we are starting to see the symptoms of an imminent collapse. I believe this is the authentic root of the issue, and as they are not willing to change it, I guess the only effective way to let them know is by massively unsubscribing... Easier said than done.
 
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You do realize that devs can become burnt out on their projects lol. Doesnt mean they're suffering from mental health issues
Burn out is a mental health issue.

So YES, it does mean that.

Bo is constantly doing things, and he is fast at what he does.
Allegedly. The last time Koda said "Bo Wei is nearly finished" it turned out to be a lie.
 

bahamut2195

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Bo is constantly doing things, and he is fast at what he does. The thing is, everything he works on has to be polished/expanded later by Koda, whose rhythm is ridiculously slower. As we don't see most of what Bo is doing until is revealed by Koda, there is around a common feeling that Bo must be lazy as well, which Bo is well aware of, and ultimately is responsible for out of nowhere applepie releases. Bo doesn't want to look like he is doing nothing while Koda delays his work again and again, so knowing that his work on ToT is not going to be revealed until months/years later (whenever Koda decides to finish it), every time Koda takes too long in finishing a task, Bo creates a short applepie that can be finished faster, so to create a fake impression of flow in their releases. However, these shorter applepies need to go through Koda as well (genius move from Bo...), so what actually happens is that more and more stuff gets stacked on Koda's desk to the unbelievable point where we are right now.

I personally don't think that Bo is trying to scam anybody, but his management skills are non-existent, and he is adamant about keeping the model that he has with Koda, where basically they have a strict separation of tasks that allows them to work independently without even talking to each other about what they are doing. He really doesn't want to spend time discussing nor coordinating himself with other people, which has brought about his unusual business relationship with Koda, and all the problems that derive from it. Koda is the person that allows Bo to keep this "ideal" anarchic, autistic business model going on, and while delays are getting out of hand, their Patreon numbers keep growing, and at the end of the day, their work is good. Still, every system has its limitations, and we are starting to see the symptoms of an imminent collapse. I believe this is the authentic root of the issue, and as they are not willing to change it, I guess the only effective way to let them know is by massively unsubscribing... Easier said than done.
I feel that is a succinct summarization of the problem. The side games are causing an issue, because Koda can't keep his hands off of them and they provide him an excuse to avoid 7F. Well said.
 

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if this fucking argument gets any hotter my fucking eyes, pc and isp will simultaneously commit suicide via suicide bombing after i go into a mental breakdown and fucking ram a plane filled with explosives into the the fucking empire state building after shitting myself in a 24 karat gold fucking flying bathtub singing i can show =you the world to a dead rabbits severed head. FUCK
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if Bowei/Koda grab them a hot cup of joe in the morning and start reading all of these comments...lol

I mean no disrespect though.....
 
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Ahryma

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I really like the side games but the reason I miss ToT the most is that you would submit to dommes and then use some of the previous choices you made later in the game. An example being the puppy gear from Scarlet is used on multiple different dommes or the escape routes from Yvonne's cage. The side games are fun but I just really want to see Karen and Rose again and see what they think about me being submissive is like.
 

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If only Bo could look for another programmer and leave the writing to Koda (or maybe look for another writer and make a team), they'd complete their projects, and keep the community more satisfied, and get more money actually, then become more professional, bla bla bla... They lack of business perspective, and respect for their fans. Oh well...
 
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