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xd4545

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Hi I need help with this, I do not know where I can find the area that Milith asks you to go to get the items "The caves of darkness" can someone tell me where I have to go? so I can complete all the missions before starting a NewGame+ and go to unlock the rest of the scenes on my own

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Oh I also wanted to find out how to unlock "propositions" because I can not unlock any.
You need to go to the temple were you met the goddess at the beginning of the game. Their is now a stairway into those caves.
As for propositions, I think you need to go to stand right in front of a NPC and then choose it in the menu. I personally did it the first time in the nudist village so maybe go try it there first.
 

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I managed to find the place by thinking where I could be xD.
But I still have the doubt of how to unlock "Propositions" because I have not managed to unlock any and I do not know how to unlock them
But why should it be unlocked? It is available.
With certain characters in certain places. You need to go to the character to bring up the menu and click on Propositions.
If your chosen character is not intended for this, it will be written
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If intended
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You need to read the instructions for the game and about the available features.
 
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Can someone explain to me what the deal is with Sex Technique skills are what use they have? Also the Ass, Lips and Breasts target purpose?
 

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guys any way to avoid that begining sex with goddes? .. i mean id like to keep her Virginity =D
 

Saraf

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I take it the "Gnome" nonesense is the same as usual?
Her going "too young for me" in the orphanage smells of the Yukino censorship. <_<
 
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I take it the "Gnome" nonesense is the same as usual?
Her going "too young for me" in the orphanage smells of the Yukino censorship. <_<
This is correct. If you download the straight Japanese version, they are not gnomes and nothing's off bounds except other women.
 
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Saraf

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This is correct. If you download the straight Japanese version, they are not gnomes and nothing's off bounds except other women.
Yeah,guessed as much.
Is it possible they also changed the "Gnome" shadow for prostitution sex(since even their censorship bandaid shows different body proportions for them)?
Not just censorship but also incredibly shody at that,jeez.

Oh well,its nice to get clarification,thanks.
Off to search for a link to the japanese version I guess(which turns out surprisingly hard).
 

Ares02

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Is it possible they also changed the "Gnome" shadow for prostitution sex(since even their censorship bandaid shows different body proportions for them)?
Not just censorship but also incredibly shody at that,jeez.
nope, it was never made a "shadow" for shotas, there are only: human, beastman, tentacle, slime, insects
Raul is the only shota in the whole game to have a sex scene with a proportionate body
also, Acerola usually don't bother making "shadows" for shotas in their games, dunno why. Or full fledged scenes or they use the standard human's layer
 

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nope, it was never made a "shadow" for shotas, there are only: human, beastman, tentacle, slime, insects
Raul is the only shota in the whole game to have a sex scene with a proportionate body
also, Acerola usually don't bother making "shadows" for shotas in their games, dunno why. Or full fledged scenes or they use the standard human's layer
Yeah checked myself after all,no changed CG.
Laughs on me for actually thinking Kagura Games would invest that much time.
Anyway,still leaves us with:
-rewritten scenes
-disabled features

Kinda wish that had just been written in the OP(since for once,no one in the thread really clarified it prior).
Why so many people praise them despite this practise is beyond me.
 
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Yeah checked myself after all,no changed CG.
Laughs on me for actually thinking Kagura Games would invest that much time.
Anyway,still leaves us with:
-rewritten scenes
-disabled features
afaik, the scrouge scenes aren't rewritten, basically they say "gnome" instead of "boy" and "human" instead of "adult girls", that's it.
but yeah, scrouge is disabled in the orphanage and in a couple more cases, I suppose where the midget couldn't believably pass for anything else than a kid

Kinda wish that had just been written in the OP(since for once,no one in the thread really clarified it prior).
Why so many people praise them despite this practise is beyond me.
'cause it's not a practice. When Claire, and later Yukino where released Steam was having trouble deciding what it wanted, so the choice was making slight changements or risk having the game entirely removed from there.
At least, this is how a member of the staff explained it to me when I asked.
Yukino took the brunt of the punch because was released in the middle of the storm, Claire had the "gnome" excuse, so it fared better.
As far as I see it seems a coherent reasonment, even if I don't like it. But it's better to have Claire (and Yukino) with slight edits that not having them at all.
 

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afaik, the scrouge scenes aren't rewritten, basically they say "gnome" instead of "boy" and "human" instead of "adult girls", that's it.
but yeah, scrouge is disabled in the orphanage and in a couple more cases, I suppose where the midget couldn't believably pass for anything else than a kid
From what I can tell it goes a bit beyond just interchanging boy with gnome alas my street japanese is limited and might very well give me the wrong impression here.
Will take your word on it.

'cause it's not a practice. When Claire, and later Yukino where released Steam was having trouble deciding what it wanted, so the choice was making slight changements or risk having the game entirely removed from there.
At least, this is how a member of the staff explained it to me when I asked.
Yukino took the brunt of the punch because was released in the middle of the storm, Claire had the "gnome" excuse, so it fared better.
As far as I see it seems a coherent reasonment, even if I don't like it. But it's better to have Claire (and Yukino) with slight edits that not having them at all.
Considering that all their releases,where said content is present,do the same thing Im very inclined towards calling it a practise.
They might very well prove me wrong in the future but presently that stands(though if you can point me towards a recent title where they changed that approach Im all ears).
As for Steam...yeah no.
Unofficial patches are a thing and Kagura has shown absolutely no intend to restore said content.
I dont subscribe to the "better censored than nothing" school of thought so we will have to agree to disagree on that.

Having said that,its funny that of all localizers JAST,with their huge backlog of censorship,actually offers a restored version of Yukino.
 

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From what I can tell it goes a bit beyond just interchanging boy with gnome alas my street japanese is limited and might very well give me the wrong impression here.
Will take your word on it.
You probably know jap better than me, since I can at best pick some spoken words here and there
I'm just relaying things other people (that know jap) told me.

Considering that all their releases,where said content is present,do the same thing Im very inclined towards calling it a practise.
They might very well prove me wrong in the future but presently that stands(though if you can point me towards a recent title where they changed that approach Im all ears).
mmh, given that shotacon isn't an exceptionally widespread fetish, among the recent games the one where they had some was Ideology in Friction. Nothing exceptional though, since is just the protagonist getting harassed by shotas, in a certain event giving some Sex Ed to one, and in another having sex. The mostly call them "boy" and "young", just rarely "kid" but they evidently do try to not tell those words too much and I can see the reason.

As for Steam...yeah no.
Unofficial patches are a thing and Kagura has shown absolutely no intend to restore said content.
Well, I often waste time on KG's discord and to be fair, I never saw anyone asking for a restoration patch of Claire (or at least, not politely... a half dozen times some people came in like they owned the place... and it's not really the best approach, even when you legit bought the game.. which is not always the case)

I dont subscribe to the "better censored than nothing" school of thought so we will have to agree to disagree on that.
While I don't either, there are some shades I can accept. When we've seen translation made by Sakura Games and other machinetranslations sold around, this is a great step forward. And they are carefully translated and tested (usually to the last bit, which is not something all do).
Sure, it's still not the best, but at least with them things are getting better, in my opinion.

Having said that,its funny that of all localizers JAST,with their huge backlog of censorship,actually offers a restored version of Yukino.
Afaik, all the retailers that are not Steam (JAST, Mangagamer, Fakku) implemented the "restored" version days after the restoration patch was around.
 

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You probably know jap better than me, since I can at best pick some spoken words here and there
I'm just relaying things other people (that know jap) told me.
Well japanese being the language it is,always comes with a certain degree of interpretation so I might be off as well.
Someone with an actual degree would have to shed light on that.


mmh, given that shotacon isn't an exceptionally widespread fetish, among the recent games the one where they had some was Ideology in Friction. Nothing exceptional though, since is just the protagonist getting harassed by shotas, in a certain event giving some Sex Ed to one, and in another having sex. The mostly call them "boy" and "young", just rarely "kid" but they evidently do try to not tell those words too much and I can see the reason.
Huh didnt try that one yet since the version on here is stated to still have a completely bugged route(though since it doesnt seem to get any updates might as well grab it).
And they kept the content intact?
Thats genuinely surprising.
Gives me some hope for their announced Muchi Muchi localization(albeit little,heh).
Maybe they actually took the criticism to heart.


Well, I often waste time on KG's discord and to be fair, I never saw anyone asking for a restoration patch of Claire (or at least, not politely... a half dozen times some people came in like they owned the place... and it's not really the best approach, even when you legit bought the game.. which is not always the case)
Well that really shouldnt be necessary in the first place.
They are dealing with a niche game in a niche genre in a niche community.
Delivering the best product possible to build and please your core audience should be your primary goal at this point.
Releasing a cut together steam patch to keep up front is one thing but then never coming around to actually restoring the rest of the content really only hurts their reputation.


While I don't either, there are some shades I can accept. When we've seen translation made by Sakura Games and other machinetranslations sold around, this is a great step forward. And they are carefully translated and tested (usually to the last bit, which is not something all do).
Sure, it's still not the best, but at least with them things are getting better, in my opinion.
Yeah I see your point but as someone who had the honor of growing up in a censorship happy country,just getting a mediocre version is unacceptable to me.
Go the whole distance or dont touch it in the first place.

Afaik, all the retailers that are not Steam (JAST, Mangagamer, Fakku) implemented the "restored" version days after the restoration patch was around.
Didnt know Fakku picked it up too.
Only brought JAST up because of their hard stance on loli/shota censorship back in the day.
Its just nice to see they moved away from that.
 

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From what I can tell it goes a bit beyond just interchanging boy with gnome alas my street japanese is limited and might very well give me the wrong impression here. Will take your word on it.
It kinda does, but not for any legitimate reason. At the end of the day, most of the publishers for these games are aiming to use already existing platforms to sell their games, which puts them at the mercy of those platforms rules. And some of those platforms (cough cough sony) take it so far that they are basically puritanical cults. There was a case in the early 2000's where the supreme court did rule that fictional characters are outside the bounds of law, E.G. you can't go to prison for playing this title: https://f95zone.to/threads/loli-kidnap-riko-chan-is-missing-studio-ws.25050/ but that doesn't stop it from being a bit weird and publishers from outright killing that content on their platforms. Censorship is weird.


Considering that all their releases,where said content is present,do the same thing Im very inclined towards calling it a practise. They might very well prove me wrong in the future but presently that stands(though if you can point me towards a recent title where they changed that approach Im all ears). As for Steam...yeah no. Unofficial patches are a thing and Kagura has shown absolutely no intend to restore said content. I dont subscribe to the "better censored than nothing" school of thought so we will have to agree to disagree on that
I agree with you, but I doubt it. I like Acerola games, but there's no question that they are low effort. Many if not all of Kagura Games titles are low budget, low effort games at the end of the day, and Kagura Games won't take the time, effort and money to create their own published platform to make the game run and instead will either block the interaction or change things to "not kid". It's just that much easier for them to make the game for steam outright and bend to Steam's will. In some cases it gets kinda annoying, that new cucked wife game they came out with a few months back has a good example for this. One of the mechanics is you can get discovered cheating, and the husband turns out to like being cucked, and can go to various towns people to "convince them" to have sex with his wife. One of them is Ted, the kid who lives in the house right above yours. In the normal game, this results in you banging the kids brains out. In the Kagura Games release, you can talk to him and initiate it... but then it automatically goes "oh no I can't do this to poor ted". Mind you it does this literally directly after the line "And this is how I led Ted down the path of darkness...". Censorship at the end of the day is going to be a problem, since soccermom America flips their shit at vague, general ideas more than anything else.


You probably know jap better than me, since I can at best pick some spoken words here and there I'm just relaying things other people (that know jap) told me.
Much of it's speculation. At the end of the day, Japanese dev's have no problem selling their products to the west, but don't want to deal with the endless screeching that will result from puritanical weirdo's.


mmh, given that shotacon isn't an exceptionally widespread fetish, among the recent games the one where they had some was Ideology in Friction. Nothing exceptional though, since is just the protagonist getting harassed by shotas, in a certain event giving some Sex Ed to one, and in another having sex. The mostly call them "boy" and "young", just rarely "kid" but they evidently do try to not tell those words too much and I can see the reason.
Also this. Something else that determines a lot is the actual fetishes that a game has. Straight vanilla sex between consenting adults is going to be far less provocative than a character having sex with a "Young person". The more obscure a fetish, the less likely it'll get financial backing or have any standing support. Though Cloud Meadows does get over $40K per month so I could be completely wrong here.


Afaik, all the retailers that are not Steam (JAST, Mangagamer, Fakku) implemented the "restored" version days after the restoration patch was around.
Yeah but those platforms are all way smaller than steam as well. Personally, I think it's literally stupid to try and sell a porn game on Steam, even if it has a greater audience the fact is steam as a platform isn't really for porn games. And porn itself is already pretty niche. I'd honestly say these platforms are just trying too hard to find a bigger audience to make more money, you don't really "make money" in the niche porn industry.

Well that really shouldnt be necessary in the first place.
They are dealing with a niche game in a niche genre in a niche community. Delivering the best product possible to build and please your core audience should be your primary goal at this point. Releasing a cut together steam patch to keep up front is one thing but then never coming around to actually restoring the rest of the content really only hurts their reputation
Yeah but their reputation is already that of "that company that localizes low budget porn games". I'll be honest, you should really lower your expectations when it comes to many of these companies.

Yeah I see your point but as someone who had the honor of growing up in a censorship happy country,just getting a mediocre version is unacceptable to me. Go the whole distance or dont touch it in the first place.
I agree with you, but I'd also point out that (assuming your in the US like me) nothing that either of us does can get the companies to stop. They listen to soccermom America, because soccermom America is enormous.

Didnt know Fakku picked it up too. Only brought JAST up because of their hard stance on loli/shota censorship back in the day. Its just nice to see they moved away from that.
Oh that stance changed as soon as that ruling I mentioned above somewhere came out. Long story short, it was deemed that a fictional character does NOT legally constitute the dreaded C followed by a P. If you draw loli hentai, you're not creating illegal content. If you have loli hentai, you're not in possession of illegal content. You might be a weirdo, but that's it. That doesn't stop people from plastering your name all over the internet though, if they just don't like it. There is a legitimate porn site that actually had a kerfluffle about this in the mid 2000's, that "innocent high" website. There was a whole crusade to get the website taken down, even though every porn actress/actor on the site was at least 18, because the premise of it was "a high school where everybody fucks the teacher" or something like that. I remember finding my dad's laptop open one night and that website was up on it, I had myself a giggle. Basically, even if something is not the dreaded double letters, if it looks like it COULD be, some people aren't even willing to chance it. That's it.

Basically it all comes back to the combination of censorship, and Kagura Games being very low effort.
 

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It kinda does, but not for any legitimate reason. At the end of the day, most of the publishers for these games are aiming to use already existing platforms to sell their games, which puts them at the mercy of those platforms rules. And some of those platforms (cough cough sony) take it so far that they are basically puritanical cults. There was a case in the early 2000's where the supreme court did rule that fictional characters are outside the bounds of law, E.G. you can't go to prison for playing this title: https://f95zone.to/threads/loli-kidnap-riko-chan-is-missing-studio-ws.25050/ but that doesn't stop it from being a bit weird and publishers from outright killing that content on their platforms. Censorship is weird.
Aehm...that was weirdly extensive for a sentence aimed at the translation quality.
I agree though.


I agree with you, but I doubt it. I like Acerola games, but there's no question that they are low effort. Many if not all of Kagura Games titles are low budget, low effort games at the end of the day, and Kagura Games won't take the time, effort and money to create their own published platform to make the game run and instead will either block the interaction or change things to "not kid". It's just that much easier for them to make the game for steam outright and bend to Steam's will. In some cases it gets kinda annoying, that new cucked wife game they came out with a few months back has a good example for this. One of the mechanics is you can get discovered cheating, and the husband turns out to like being cucked, and can go to various towns people to "convince them" to have sex with his wife. One of them is Ted, the kid who lives in the house right above yours. In the normal game, this results in you banging the kids brains out. In the Kagura Games release, you can talk to him and initiate it... but then it automatically goes "oh no I can't do this to poor ted". Mind you it does this literally directly after the line "And this is how I led Ted down the path of darkness...". Censorship at the end of the day is going to be a problem, since soccermom America flips their shit at vague, general ideas more than anything else.
Yeah,true enough.
That still doesnt really excuse not offering a seperate restoration patch on their website but I suppose they either unwarrantedly think Steam would actually care enough or simply dont care themselves(which is rather disheartening).


Yeah but their reputation is already that of "that company that localizes low budget porn games". I'll be honest, you should really lower your expectations when it comes to many of these companies.
Yes but everyone starts small(JAST and manga most certainly did,actually not sure about Fakku...they just kinda appeared one day as far as I can tell heh).
I would rather have them go through the growing pains of a quality localizer now than them ruining their first big project when they finally decide to make the jump.
Im also not one for lowering my standard simply because of your company size.
No other job would afford you the freedom of half assing your work either(well creative jobs kinda do but you wont work long in the business that way).


I agree with you, but I'd also point out that (assuming your in the US like me) nothing that either of us does can get the companies to stop. They listen to soccermom America, because soccermom America is enormous.
Im not =D
Alas that is a common truth for any country,the only thing you can do is vote with your wallet and point out the problems.



Oh that stance changed as soon as that ruling I mentioned above somewhere came out. Long story short, it was deemed that a fictional character does NOT legally constitute the dreaded C followed by a P. If you draw loli hentai, you're not creating illegal content. If you have loli hentai, you're not in possession of illegal content. You might be a weirdo, but that's it. That doesn't stop people from plastering your name all over the internet though, if they just don't like it. There is a legitimate porn site that actually had a kerfluffle about this in the mid 2000's, that "innocent high" website. There was a whole crusade to get the website taken down, even though every porn actress/actor on the site was at least 18, because the premise of it was "a high school where everybody fucks the teacher" or something like that. I remember finding my dad's laptop open one night and that website was up on it, I had myself a giggle. Basically, even if something is not the dreaded double letters, if it looks like it COULD be, some people aren't even willing to chance it. That's it.
Hm Im not very versed in the american jurisdicitional system but wouldnt such a ruling be state based?
Which reminds me that JAST never went back to restore their shit either ^.-
Well anyway,good for companies being legally bound to the US.

This is starting to derail the topic rather heavily tho.
 

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Huh didnt try that one yet since the version on here is stated to still have a completely bugged route(though since it doesnt seem to get any updates might as well grab it).
And they kept the content intact?
Thats genuinely surprising.
I can't voice for the genuinity, since I didn't played it original, but I didn't heard of anyone noticing cut content


Gives me some hope for their announced Muchi Muchi localization(albeit little,heh).
Maybe they actually took the criticism to heart.
Some time ago a guy came asking about it, here I report what a staff said:
"We will only write on the sign of the school <University>"

Well that really shouldnt be necessary in the first place.
They are dealing with a niche game in a niche genre in a niche community.
Delivering the best product possible to build and please your core audience should be your primary goal at this point.
Releasing a cut together steam patch to keep up front is one thing but then never coming around to actually restoring the rest of the content really only hurts their reputation.
Uhm, I can't really answer this.
But selling on Steam is apparently a necessity, since as far as I heard that's the place from which they get most of their money.


Yeah I see your point but as someone who had the honor of growing up in a censorship happy country,just getting a mediocre version is unacceptable to me.
Go the whole distance or dont touch it in the first place.
I respect you point, but I still think is good to encourage someone that is doing a better work than others (and especially of the aforementioned Sakura)
 
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