VN Ren'Py Turning the Page [v0.28.0] [Azienda]

[NTR Sommelier]

Zack's change would have been too big without those videos in my opinion. The idea is probably that while Sophie has forgotten about Felix, Zack remains a sadistic person. So saying that Zack gains nothing from it is wrong. We don't have his PoV, so we literally don't know, but if we had it, it would be clear that he enjoys that. Can you imagine him sending the video thinking "yeah this is totally useless" . Maybe he gets hornier knowing Felix watches that stuff I don't know, but he gains something from it. Also, it plays on the fact that Zack knows that Felix doesn't have the balls/still loves Sophie to show those videos around, and that's in fact what happens, because he still thinks of her. So the risk is basically zero.

Nonsense. Zack already enjoyed the ultimate thrill of tormenting Felix during the climax that preceded the ending. Nothing else can compare to it. Sending videos to Felix is rather weak because Zack is not there to enjoy seeing Felix's reaction to them, he has to "imagine" how Felix will react, not to mention he is relying on Felix not getting sick of it and exposing them to the world. So yes, he is gaining nothing while risking things without reason. But then again, I'm approaching this from a more realistic angle, while you seem to be doing it with the typical porn/ntr logic of things, in that case, so be it.

 

[Nefurien]

Nonsense. Zack already enjoyed the ultimate thrill of tormenting Felix during the climax that preceded the ending. Nothing else can compare to it. Sending videos to Felix is rather weak because Zack is not there to enjoy seeing Felix's reaction to them, he has to "imagine" how Felix will react, not to mention he is relying on Felix not getting sick of it and exposing them to the world. So yes, he is gaining nothing while risking things without reason. But then again, I'm approaching this from a more realistic angle, while you seem to be doing it with the typical porn/ntr logic of things, in that case, so be it.

Having NTR sommelier as your name and approaching NTR games with a "realistic angle" it's not something I can understand but yeah, to each their own. I imagine you have a lot of fun reading all the realistic doujinshi and visual novels from Japan where 0.1% of them makes sense.

Zack already enjoyed the ultimate thrill of tormenting Felix during the climax that preceded the ending. Nothing else can compare to it.

Also, I apologize, I didn't know you mastered Zack's mind without reading a single line from him, that's definitely some special power you have. My heartfelt apologies.

 

[NTR Sommelier]

Having NTR sommelier as your name and approaching NTR games with a "realistic angle" it's not something I can understand but yeah, to each their own. I imagine you have a lot of fun reading all the realistic doujinshi and visual novels from Japan where 0.1% of them makes sense.

LOL. One thing I've noticed here on this forum is how people exhibit black or white thinking. I've never said NTR has to be 100% realistic, did you see my writing that? You can justify anything and everything using porn/ntr logic and a work created this way will be at best some quick fap material. A good ntr work balances realism and skillfull use of tropes to provoke a more emotionally impactful response from the player.

 

[Nefurien]

LOL. One thing I've noticed here on this forum is how people exhibit black or white thinking. I've never said NTR has to be 100% realistic, did you see my writing that? You can justify anything and everything using porn/ntr logic and a work created this way will be at best some quick fap material. A good ntr work balances realism and skillfull use of tropes to provoke a more emotionally impactful response from the player.

It's not about black or white, it's just that if you don't like something, putting it like "it's stupid on Zack's part" is dumb, because we are humans and we make stupid things everyday. A story is not about a group of characters all making the best choices, that's just not how humans work. For what you know Zack faps seeing the read notications from Felix chat and that's the only way he faps now, we simply can't know. Honestly, your first and third point it's your opinion and while I disagree with them, you can have it. But your second point is just arrogant and full of assumptions.

 

[NTR Sommelier]

It's not about black or white, it's just that if you don't like something, putting it like "it's stupid on Zack's part" is dumb, because we are humans and we make stupid things everyday. A story is not about a group of characters all making the best choices, that's just not how humans work. For what you know Zack faps seeing the read notications from Felix chat and that's the only way he faps now, we simply can't know. Honestly, your first and third point it's your opinion and while I disagree with them, you can have it. But your second point is just arrogant and full of assumptions.

Risking your perfect life with wife and kids because you can't stop sending videos of her to her ex would be seen as irresponsible and stupid to any reasonable third party observer. I get it, this is a classic NTR trope, I understand why Azienda used it. If you like it, fine!, but don't pretend that what Zack is doing is reasonable beyond porn/ntr logic.

 

[Nefurien]

Risking your perfect life with wife and kids because you can't stop sending videos of her to her ex would be seen as irresponsible and stupid to any reasonable third party observer. I get it, this is a classic NTR trope, I understand why Azienda used it. If you like it, fine!, but don't pretend that what Zack is doing is reasonable beyond porn/ntr logic.

I never said it's realistic or reasonable beyond porn logic. 90% of the stuff happening is these kind of games makes no sense. So why question this particular detail when netorare games are per se full of stuff that it would never happen in real life? Like hidden sex scenes, phone calls during sex, walking around with a dildo inserted or fucking near a window while talking with someone. Following your logic you should critic the game from start to finish basically.

 

[NTR Sommelier]

I never said it's realistic or reasonable beyond porn logic. 90% of the stuff happening is these kind of games makes no sense. So why question this particular detail when netorare games are per se full of stuff that it would never happen in real life? Like hidden sex scenes, phone calls during sex, walking around with a dildo inserted or fucking near a window while talking with someone. Following your logic you should critic the game from start to finish basically.

Because, if you pay attention to the context of my last 10 or so posts on this thread, I saw that many people are complaining about Zack falling in love with Sophie, something I actually defended as being reasonable. I gave the "sending videos" thing as an example of something way more absurd than Zack falling in love with Sophie that in my opinion is more deserving of criticism than the "romance ntr" aspect of this ending.

 

[Nefurien]

Because, if you pay attention to the context of my last 10 or so posts on this thread, I saw that many people are complaining about Zack falling in love with Sophie, something I actually defended as being reasonable. I gave the "sending videos" thing as an example of something way more absurd than Zack falling in love with Sophie that in my opinion is more deserving of criticism than the "romance ntr" aspect of this ending.

Sure. Well I don't remember usernames, except some trolls. I read your comment and your second point in my opinion made no sense since we don't have his PoV. If you wrote just 1 and 3 I wouldn't have even responded, that's your opinion. But point 2 is something I can't read and just move on lol The day we get a full PoV from Zack we can comment if what he's doing makes sense or not. Zack was obsessed with torturing Felix for the whole game so sending some messages like that fits his character imo. I would have liked it waaay less if Sophie was aware about it, but unless I missed something, she doesn't know. She has a family and actually forgot about Felix. Zack has always been an asshole. Well, opinions, I guess.

 

[Walter Victor]

2. It is stupid on Zack's part, he really gains nothing from it, but has much to lose if Felix exposes those videos.

I don't want to get into the back and forth of this argument, except to agree that it (Zack's action) is stupid. However, in real life (not just in porn games), people often do stupid things that could ruin their lives or even kill them. That is why warnings are put on lawnmowers to not use them to trim hedges. For another instance, I recall an NFL quarterback (Gus Frerotte) who decided it would be a great idea to headbutt a concrete wall during a game and had to be taken to a hospital.

Just take a look at any social media platform and you can readily see idiots doing insane things just for likes. Or read the annual Darwin Awards.

 

[tata19]

The idea of sending videos to Felix would seem to me with a Zack who has not fallen in love with Sophie as he did but with Zack where he dominates Sophie and has her as a toy couple, let's say. Where he took Sophie out as a trophy that he should show her and not as a man in love as he ended up being. But also without seeing Felix's reactions I don't see the reason, it would just be harm, but the idea seems too forced to me.

 

[greenlittleman]

So guys, how come this game is SO BIG? It only has one heroine, as far as I know. Developer's previous games weren't nearly as lengthy. As of now it has more than 300k words total, which is longer than Brandon Sanderson's epic fantasy books. Is the game so slow on plot and development, or does it have a lot of different routes? Also, it seems that it already has endings, so it's near completion already?

The "video letter" thing to me it felt, it was there because it's a classic ntr trope rather than because it was integral to the narrative.

Video letter is a trope for a reason, and the reason being is that it's super hot.

 

[nickku1]

guys, did you read how much abuse zack and Sophie through felix way? the whole thing seems to be zack just wanting to fuck with felix and sophie is an easy way to do it. The thing he likes to most is no sophie, its to berate and belitle felix to any one who would hear him, and sophie part in the hate is super strange, like forced self brain wash, like they both admited that the peak of thier arausal is to abuse felix.

 

[nickku1]

The "sending videos" element to me is the most reasonable aspect you can criticize on this ending, here is why:
1. It hurts realism.
2. It is stupid on Zack's part, he really gains nothing from it, but has much to lose if Felix exposes those videos.
And the most important
3. It conflicts with the "alone and forgotten" theme of this ending. I think it would have been better if no one, not even Zack, gave a shit or thought about Felix anymore, amplifying the hopeless and despair.

The "video letter" thing to me it felt, it was there because it's a classic ntr trope rather than because it was integral to the narrative.

tbh i think its the only realistic aspect of this, the guy fuked her in spite and she was always either think of how worst felix is (not about zack) and became horny af thinking of him or when he is nearby.

 

[CleanJebboy]

Did Zach ever give a reason why he hates Felix so much?

 

[xcalibar4]

Did Zach ever give a reason why he hates Felix so much?

No, not in this update. But I guess he just do it for cheap fun and thrill. He tried to do some bad shit to the other teacher (name was Harold or something) but I guess that teacher and Brooks tried to tame him, so he used Amy to blackmail Brooks so he can do whatever he want. From Amy's bit and piece confession I assume that he just wanted to try out his power and the first scape goat was Sophie and Felix. But when Sophie resisted his blackmail to some degree for long time and later become as twisted as him he fell in love with her!! So I think just to get a small thrill he kept sending those videos, and as implied Felix didn't opened those msg for 5 years until meeting Amy, so the day Felix opened the messages Zack had a great orgasm that day

In Mayumi dev's last game the other FMC (MC's cousin) ruined his marriage because he used to be mean to her when they were little (it was not revealed how much but the fact is that she kept a grudge and that led her to ruin his marriage to teach him a lesson)

I think other ending may reveal it, this ending revealed Amy and Brooks part.

And as like APBLU these type of NTR games reveals bulls logic/cause to torment MC with each ending. (I always wondered if Harry fall for a guy will then Luca become Bi )

 

[Requiem1102]

Anyways enough about this ending, theres plenty more Im more interested in

the Amy, Sophie path

Idk how much about the games progression was already said by the creator but I do hope we get to see more of the other side characters too get involved

 

[anonsuit]

I knew this game was going to have a weak ending, judging by the previous game made by the developer. but well at least this game has several endings, and the ride was fun so even if the ending was disappointing the rest was fine.

 

[tata19]

In other endings will we see Brooks and Amy's plots more complete? For me, the resolutions of those issues were a little tasteless, as the explanation was very superficial, as it had to be done quickly to finish this ending.

 

[biggestboyo]

Is this game going to get a Felix revenge/kill Zach storyline or is it another cannon vn where the good looking bully wins? I know Fliex is a weak scrawny lil man, but Zach can't stop a bullet for example, and realistically speaking,no husband in rl would just sit around and do nothing unless they don't love them anymore which doesn't seem to be the case here. But i've played enough ntr games with many have brain dead ntr endings where the alpha/chad wins; just a bit disappointed that this turned out to be one of those...again.

 

[Return_To_Monke]

The "sending videos" element to me is the most reasonable aspect you can criticize on this ending, here is why:
1. It hurts realism.
2. It is stupid on Zack's part, he really gains nothing from it, but has much to lose if Felix exposes those videos.
And the most important
3. It conflicts with the "alone and forgotten" theme of this ending. I think it would have been better if no one, not even Zack, gave a shit or thought about Felix anymore, amplifying the hopeless and despair.

The "video letter" thing to me it felt, it was there because it's a classic ntr trope rather than because it was integral to the narrative.

That's what I thought. That video was like a final mocking action we generally see in ntr stories. I think maybe the dev felt compelled to include it since it's a ntr game.