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Wow what an update it was so intense. Saxxy nailed it. He is hers and she is his. She wants to get out of there asap so when situation called she jumped right to it but still his husband was on her mind. Made me drop tears from both places. Keep it up.
 

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Netorase lover here. I also enjoy NTR a lot. While I tend to prefer games that focus on NTS I think games that include both are great. What I dislike is when NTS games get hijacked by the vanilla or the 'I want forced NTR' crowds. Adding an optional NTR side to an NTS story or the risk of the story becoming NTR if you make the "wrong" choices are otherwise valid imo.

I think NTS lovers in general get defensive because pure NTS games are rare, especially well-made ones. And many games with this particular kink suffer the fate I describe above, where people who don't get NTS start making demands of devs to cater to their tastes. Vanilla and pure NTR lovers get a huge share of the game market. So have some patience with NTS fans when they feel like a game they like is in danger.

That said, I don't think this game is at risk of losing its NTS focus. I agree with the fact that we've been getting too many "vanilla" portions of the game. And I can understand how the latest update might scare some people into thinking it's gonna become an NTR game. But there's always been consent involved between Amelia and the MC. If Amelia thought for a moment that the MC wouldn't enjoy her having sex like that then she wouldn't do it.

In the end this thread has been dominated by people not getting how NTS works.
The other huge issue is the writing is contrived. Because the process is author makes plot and bends mc preferences to be ok with that plot regardless of what happens. He's a non existent entity in the story because to make him exist would be to bend the plot around him not the other way around. The reason it has to be that way is because he is the mc so the plot should rightfully revolve around you the viewer. Nts is ultimately a control fantasy, even when you're going full sub the expectation is ultimately you are in control of your fantasy and of what happens even when the other person doing the directing alarm ammie, she is ultimately doing what she is doing, ideally, to bring pleasure to her husband and she is to get pleasure from what she does to him. Its a line most ntr writers never truly understand that's why you see the puritans always get this way. It's not complicated and it's laid out a lot for people to understand and it's almost always ignored because it's easier to just follow the beaten path.

The bottom line is this last update was pointless, nts fans are waiting for this forced plot to be over with so they can get back home and she can get back to catering to his fetish on his terms rather than whatever this is. I don't hate the writer like I said, it's good writing, but it's not good nts.
 

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That is too logical bro. That makes too much sense. Instead she should have asked for his consent right in front of Enzo
"Honey I know you like it and we already talked about a situation like this coming up but just to satiate the interests of the vanilla guys who are controlling our world I will ask for your consent. Should I fuck him so he accepts the deal and we are safe? You wouldn't be mad right?"and then everyone would be happy.
That would be hot if she asks him smugly even if she knows the answer and sees him hot and bothered. The point of it is her teasing him is hot. If I wanted run of the mill porno I would find it.
 

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You are missing the very simple point. If her father is supposed to be so controlling and scary. Then how is her fucking a RIVAL boss the very moment she meets him not an outrageous course of action? Especially when apparently the fucking is so loud with the door being open the whole house can hear. Oh, let's not forget she also whipped her tits out not just in front of the boss but in front of his guards. Sorry, but if she's supposed to be a precious mafia princess that's a bit outrageous. In the end it's a porn game so these situations are done to entice but don't act as if they are completely logical. While also insulting people for noticing the silliness of it. You tried to imply the MC being in the picture is why the deal wouldn't have happened. Which is nonsensical since the deal had literally nothing to do with relationship status at all in the first place. The boss was expecting to negotiate with the father, the father suddenly sent his daughter to test her truthfulness not to fuck him or marry him. So the MC being in the picture or not is not what put the deal at risk, that's your own creation. Finally, if it gets out that Amelia is a whore by fucking all of these other mafia bosses that does sink her ability to be a marriage asset in any realistic sense, sorry.
You can't be playing the same game as the rest of us if you can't understand the story saxxy is making holy shit.

Again you're talking about a moral perspective that's not AT ALL the reason why she is important.

Her father is controlling but not of her body, he doesn't care if she has sex or not dude, she's important for the name she carries and that's just it. Stop trying to impose that weird ass view that her father wants to keep her virginity until marriage or something, go play the game again and this time start reading what's been said and implied. And if you still think that way after re-playing it then you should pretty much stop indulging in here with that 6th grade school level reading comprehension.
 

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The other huge issue is the writing is contrived. Because the process is author makes plot and bends mc preferences to be ok with that plot regardless of what happens. He's a non existent entity in the story because to make him exist would be to bend the plot around him not the other way around. The reason it has to be that way is because he is the mc so the plot should rightfully revolve around you the viewer. Nts is ultimately a control fantasy, even when you're going full sub the expectation is ultimately you are in control of your fantasy and of what happens even when the other person doing the directing alarm ammie, she is ultimately doing what she is doing, ideally, to bring pleasure to her husband and she is to get pleasure from what she does to him. Its a line most ntr writers never truly understand that's why you see the puritans always get this way. It's not complicated and it's laid out a lot for people to understand and it's almost always ignored because it's easier to just follow the beaten path.

The bottom line is this last update was pointless, nts fans are waiting for this forced plot to be over with so they can get back home and she can get back to catering to his fetish on his terms rather than whatever this is. I don't hate the writer like I said, it's good writing, but it's not good nts.
so you writing any game?
 
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You can't be playing the same game as the rest of us if you can't understand the story saxxy is making holy shit.

Again you're talking about a moral perspective that's not AT ALL the reason why she is important.

Her father is controlling but not of her body, he doesn't care if she has sex or not dude, she's important for the name she carries and that's just it. Stop trying to impose that weird ass view that her father wants to keep her virginity until marriage or something, go play the game again and this time start reading what's been said and implied. And if you still think that way after re-playing it then you should pretty much stop indulging in here with that 6th grade school level reading comprehension.
Her father was counting on Ammie not being able to make this deal (which she tells mc herself), that is, he obviously didn't count on his daughter acting like a prostitute, otherwise he would have given her another task, which she would have failed 100%.
It's generally strange to look for logic in a hentai game, in this scene all the prerequisites are created to present mc as a passive cuck observer in front of the dominant bull mocking him, that's all the hentai logic.
 
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Nts is ultimately a control fantasy
I think this is an overlooked and underappreciated fact of the genre.

Once a protag is forced into scenarios they cannot get out of and lose control, the genre starts to bleed into NTR. This MC is more often than not getting off on feelings of distress and jealousy because he is turned on by losing control (lost gf at the club/gym, can't leave the closet/shower and has to be quiet, dominant trash-talking partners who are much better lovers and are made to think Amelia is cheating, stuck roleplaying as a servant, etc.).

It's made clear that Amelia is 100% for MC, even if it's often through some type of that was 100% an NTR game scenario but hehe I knew what was happening all along trope. I think this story will cater to readers wanting an NTR story that's permanently in the phase right before the heroine is fully corrupted. Where the feelings of distress and jealousy are a core part of the excitement and the main girl keeps setting up scenarios to be convincingly stolen, but will never actually leave or fall out of love.
 

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You can't be playing the same game as the rest of us if you can't understand the story saxxy is making holy shit.

Again you're talking about a moral perspective that's not AT ALL the reason why she is important.

Her father is controlling but not of her body, he doesn't care if she has sex or not dude, she's important for the name she carries and that's just it. Stop trying to impose that weird ass view that her father wants to keep her virginity until marriage or something, go play the game again and this time start reading what's been said and implied. And if you still think that way after re-playing it then you should pretty much stop indulging in here with that 6th grade school level reading comprehension.
You keep missing a very obvious point while calling others stupid. It's not about protecting her virginity. If you think having your daughter/heir whoring herself out is good for the family name I don't know what to tell you. You say they are so patriarchal and traditional that her marrying a "commoner" is enough to warrant killing him. Yet at the same time they are also okay with her whoring herself to a RIVAL family. As I said before, it's just for the sake of creating a NTS situation which is fine. However, outside of porn logic it's pretty silly that she has done something arguably more subversive to the family than marrying a normal guy. Also, if it had happened outside of their own home it would've been less silly. Instead she's loudly fucking this rival mafia boss in her father's home, a guy that's supposed to be absurdly controlling. It's just kinda silly that's all.
 

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You keep missing a very obvious point while calling others stupid. It's not about protecting her virginity. If you think having your daughter/heir whoring herself out is good for the family name I don't know what to tell you. You say they are so patriarchal and traditional that her marrying a "commoner" is enough to warrant killing him. Yet at the same time they are also okay with her whoring herself to a RIVAL family. As I said before, it's just for the sake of creating a NTS situation which is fine. However, outside of porn logic it's pretty silly that she has done something arguably more subversive to the family than marrying a normal guy. Also, if it had happened outside of their own home it would've been less silly. Instead she's loudly fucking this rival mafia boss in her father's home, a guy that's supposed to be absurdly controlling. It's just kinda silly that's all.
"You say they are so patriarchal and traditional"
I never said that, it's not about the patriarchy and traditions dude. You keep trying to derrange other people's comments here just so you can trash talk any updates that lean more into NTS instead of your more vanilla view of it. Her name has power, the family would benefit of using it in the future, her marrying someone normal nullifies this use. That's. It. Wtf are you not getting? Oh yeah you just wanna cry about the story not following what you want because you're scared of surprises and teasing, you always come back to this thread every update to bring up how the game is going down hill.

"Yet at the same time they are also okay with her whoring herself to a RIVAL family."
Only the mom actually knows (or at least has a hint of) what happened as the end of the updated revealed, you saying "she's loudly fucking this rival mafia boss in her father's home" is an absurd stupidity to say because it's told us that MC's room is next door to the room she went with the other guy and that's why he heard the loud sounds, but it's not like the entire 1 km² mansion is hearing that. You really need to read slowly and understand what's going on.

"outside of porn logic it's pretty silly that she has done something arguably more subversive to the family than marrying a normal guy"
What part of the MC being in danger for being in his position (secret Amelia's husband) you don't get? This update had the best dramatic reasons to happen the way it did, and I'm saying this as someone that doesn't really enjoy the kind of stories where the FMC have to do bad things to protect someone/something, like blackmail types. Losing the contract = home imprisonment = end of the couple's life trully together, so she had the best reasons to use WHATEVER she could to get that contract.

Bring me one comment in this thread when a NTS update happened and you didn't cry and I'll be surprised.

Her father was counting on Ammie not being able to make this deal (which she tells mc herself), that is, he obviously didn't count on his daughter acting like a prostitute, otherwise he would have given her another task, which she would have failed 100%.
It's generally strange to look for logic in a hentai game, in this scene all the prerequisites are created to present mc as a passive cuck observer in front of the dominant bull mocking him, that's all the hentai logic.
Yes, it's great that she keeps secret from her father then, now she can get away from that situation and enjoy her free life exactly because she did what she did, and well to make things even better they made it an opportunity to indulge in their kink. It's logical enough to create a good scene, Saxx's cooking as always.
 
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Yes, it's great that she keeps secret from her father then, now she can get away from that situation and enjoy her free life exactly because she did what she did, and well to make things even better they made it an opportunity to indulge in their kink. It's logical enough to create a good scene, Saxx's cooking as always.
I repeat once again, her father gave her a task that she CANNOT complete, and if she makes a deal, then naturally he will go and figure out what is going on, and considering that he is the head of the mafia, he will sooner or later get to the truth, besides, nothing prevents him from coming up with a thousand different excuses to keep her in the family, Ammie has no way to resist his wishes, so this whole scene is basically created for a typical hentai scene, nothing more.
 

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"You say they are so patriarchal and traditional"
I never said that, it's not about the patriarchy and traditions dude. You keep trying to derrange other people's comments here just so you can trash talk any updates that lean more into NTS instead of your more vanilla view of it. Her name has power, the family would benefit of using it in the future, her marrying someone normal nullifies this use. That's. It. Wtf are you not getting? Oh yeah you just wanna cry about the story not following what you want because you're scared of surprises and teasing, you always come back to this thread every update to bring up how the game is going down hill.

"Yet at the same time they are also okay with her whoring herself to a RIVAL family."
Only the mom actually knows (or at least has a hint of) what happened as the end of the updated revealed, you saying "she's loudly fucking this rival mafia boss in her father's home" is an absurd stupidity to say because it's told us that MC's room is next door to the room she went with the other guy and that's why he heard the loud sounds, but it's not like the entire 1 km² mansion is hearing that. You really need to read slowly and understand what's going on.

"outside of porn logic it's pretty silly that she has done something arguably more subversive to the family than marrying a normal guy"
What part of the MC being in danger for being in his position (secret Amelia's husband) you don't get? This update had the best dramatic reasons to happen the way it did, and I'm saying this as someone that doesn't really enjoy the kind of stories where the FMC have to do bad things to protect someone/something, like blackmail types. Losing the contract = home imprisonment = end of the couple's life trully together, so she had the best reasons to use WHATEVER she could to get that contract.

Bring me one comment in this thread when a NTS update happened and you didn't cry and I'll be surprised.



Yes, it's great that she keeps secret from her father then, now she can get away from that situation and enjoy her free life exactly because she did what she did, and well to make things even better they made it an opportunity to indulge in their kink. It's logical enough to create a good scene, Saxx's cooking as always.
What are you talking about? I never trash talked the update. I am also not one of the people demanding it be more vanilla. You are fighting ghosts. I see that you just want zero criticism of the game at all even if it's just a minor writing quirk. It's especially funny because you even liked comments I made about this update. It's just a porn game, take a step back.
 

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"Yet at the same time they are also okay with her whoring herself to a RIVAL family."
Only the mom actually knows (or at least has a hint of) what happened as the end of the updated revealed, you saying "she's loudly fucking this rival mafia boss in her father's home" is an absurd stupidity to say because it's told us that MC's room is next door to the room she went with the other guy and that's why he heard the loud sounds, but it's not like the entire 1 km² mansion is hearing that. You really need to read slowly and understand what's going on.
I got the impression that way more people would've heard it. She first yells out and flashes her tits in the meeting room, and a few guards see it and hide their boners on the way out. And then she intentionally plays up the moaning and leaves the door unlocked so MC can echo-locate her, and he opens the door a bit so he can watch it. And then she's doing the porn star moan screaming throughout it. Earlier they describe how this looks like an otherwise normal palace except there's guards posted everywhere, and this is late at night, so I'd think quite a few people would've heard it, and from there word would spread.

It occurred to me earlier today, Geist is probably not gonna like this either. I imagine he didn't hear it live, otherwise he would've busted in, given how intensely overprotective he was during his early appearance. This time there's no fault he can levy at the MC though.
 

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I got the impression that way more people would've heard it. She first yells out and flashes her tits in the meeting room, and a few guards see it and hide their boners on the way out. And then she intentionally plays up the moaning and leaves the door unlocked so MC can echo-locate her, and he opens the door a bit so he can watch it. And then she's doing the porn star moan screaming throughout it. Earlier they describe how this looks like an otherwise normal palace except there's guards posted everywhere, and this is late at night, so I'd think quite a few people would've heard it, and from there word would spread.

It occurred to me earlier today, Geist is probably not gonna like this either. I imagine he didn't hear it live, otherwise he would've busted in, given how intensely overprotective he was during his early appearance. This time there's no fault he can levy at the MC though.
The narrative explicitly states that she's being so loud the whole house must be able to hear it. Exaggeration aside the point is that she is not trying to hide what she's doing at all in a house full of servants and guards. So yeah, it's just funny considering everything surrounding the plot outside of this moment.
 
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I repeat once again, her father gave her a task that she CANNOT complete, and if she makes a deal, then naturally he will go and figure out what is going on, and considering that he is the head of the mafia, he will sooner or later get to the truth, besides, nothing prevents him from coming up with a thousand different excuses to keep her in the family, Ammie has no way to resist his wishes, so this whole scene is basically created for a typical hentai scene, nothing more.
This ain't Death Note level psychology dude, it's a porn game, that was a clever enough move Amelia did so the story can end this arc later on, if her father would really do whatever to keep her there then the rest of the game would happen only inside their house, which is 100% not happening.
 

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What are you talking about? I never trash talked the update. I am also not one of the people demanding it be more vanilla. You are fighting ghosts. I see that you just want zero criticism of the game at all even if it's just a minor writing quirk. It's especially funny because you even liked comments I made about this update. It's just a porn game, take a step back.
Hey dude, I must apologize to you, you're indeed not someone that trash talked the updates before for silly reasons, I got confused because in my head I had seen a similar name to yours before, I hope you accept this apology.

Love ya!
 
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