What are the most extreme, degenerate, yet legal and consensual sub-fetish(s) of Harem content?

[hakarlman]

EDIT: Based on feedback, I'm on the right track. Thank you for your help everyone. A lot of you confirmed the ideas I already had planned. What I mean to say is, that your ideas were already on my list. You confirmed that I'm in the right direction. Thanks!

I like Harem & NTR, but that skews my perspective. I need pure Harem lovers to please answer this question:

What is the most extreme, degenerate, yet legal and consensual sub-fetish(s) of Harem content?

Read the following, and you'll see exactly what I'm looking for. Let's compare and contrast Vanilla NTR and degenerate NTR, with Vanilla Harem & Degenerate Harem, then you'll see what I'm looking for. I'm trying to determine what degenerate Harem would be like, the hardcore Harem stuff that is beyond wicked.

Vanilla NTR
A guy's girlfriend cheats on him; or is seduced away from him, he later discovers this and his heart is broken, he may or may not be aroused from it.

Degenerate NTR
A married white wife spreads her legs for ten black guys while her husband watches and jerks off in shame, while being humiliated. He's so fucking pathetic, and his wife is super, super hot, taking black dick over & over. This is a very controversial and fucked up scenario, that easily causes controversy and intense eroticism in those who are into it. This is extreme degeneracy. A lot of people hate and love this fantasy.

Vanilla Harem
A guy has three women on his bed, and he takes turns fucking each one in missionary position.

Degenerate Harem
???? ????? What are examples of Degenerate Harem? Look at the degenerate NTR example, see how incredibly fucked up that is? What is something that exists in Harem, that is fucked up, but in its own Harem way (NON-NTR)? Something that almost every Harem lover would want to see and enjoy. EDIT: I actually have a ton of ideas that I think Harem lovers would enjoy(like incest mixed with sadism in contextual manner for example), but like I said earlier, I also enjoy extreme NTR, so my perspective is skewed. I want to know how fucked up PURE Harem lovers are when it comes to degeneracy.

 

[Asia Argento]

Your mom, sister and aunt are in your harem and you take turns on them. Impregnating them all. Illegal is some areas, but not all.

 

[Bullero]

Everything that amplifies NTR can also amplify Harem.
In your example NTR is amplified by racial submission. Would also work for Harem (although arguably not as good).
Loli, family members, corruption, mind break, rape, impregnation - everything works for both (except for those who are not into it). BDSM play too, altough I don't consider it to be significantly deviant.

Within legal field the worst you can do is probably
inseki or oyakodon + impregnation + a bunch of lesser fetishes

Alternatively, a harem of nuns. Or, with fantasy, magical girls, superheroines or even goddeses.

Edit.: Now that I think of it, it's probably about what Miel and Norn do.
In addition to different settings, their titles usually have impregnation, and oftenly - scenes of petplay, milking or female urination on the floor.
Don't know if they can be considered "extreme", but it seems like this is as far as "clean" (legal and consensual) harem goes.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

You think that lame-ass BBC cuckold netorase scenario is "extremely degenerate NTR?" Oh, you sweet summer child. Play Dark Hero Party sometime to get a taste.

Now how about this: Wife becomes a widow after her husband is killed on deployment fighting Islamic terrorists. After some time grieving, she moves on and enters a new relationship. The man is secretly a radicalized islamist and gradually brainwashes her with the same values. Eventually she accepts that it's okay for him to be polygamous, so he does the same to several other women with her help. Eventually, they all leave for the Middle-East so they can officially get married and start breeding future suicide-bombers for AQ/IS/whatever. I don't consider this NTR because the husband's long-dead, but even if you leave out the previous marriage from the story, it's pretty damn messed-up.

 

[Strike-10]

So your description “degenerate Harem” … to me seems somewhat like a mixed non comparable grouping of terms.

A harem at its core 1 person being serviced by multiple others …

You can create the degenerate(your term used for simplicity) harem by having it be somewhat taboo … a set of twins in service, or a mother and daughter, or ofc slightly more YOUR personal Mom & Sis, continue down the rabbit hole … add yet another layer with bdsm (which for most up isn’t degenerate (its all in the level)) or … X,Y,Z … I’m an average sort of degenerate and while I know there is all sorts of incest(Wincest) folks out there … imo that’s literally making the shallow end of the gene pool bigger + those kids will eventually be gifted with flippers or a extra head or whatever … I honestly think the reason the use of family members in most games is because just so much easier to sex up in one location vs having to create additional locations and then go there …but I suppose some folks actually dream of doing their own mother and sisters … but enough of this divergence.

IMO a harem is simply taking the standard persons sexual desire and adding a multiplication factor to it… and ofc then you have increased partners to accomplish it … for example say you love having a pair of plump breasts to use as your pillow for bedtime… take the multiplcative factor of the harem and instead of just having a pillow for your head you could make your entire bed of soft pillows of tits… Granted positioning of the rest of the woman, managing individual personalities, etc etc becomes something to consider … you can solve these sorts of issues easily because it’s fantasy and pretty much anything goes…magic cock, simple enslavement, brainwashing or Hannibal Lecter level depravity (meh) … IMO the creativity of the author of the “scene” is order to create the improbable is what makes it special.

I also believe that most “harems” are mostly exclusive to the 1 … there are exceptions ofc … a pimp and ho,ho,ho,ho,ho’s is a flavor of harem … but stds and crack-whores are only sexy to a very small % of the audience …

so TLDR; take whatever kink you think is sexy and to “harem” it just apply X multiple … but remember the harem is a persistent entity VS just group sex … so yes degenerate them to your kink but maybe provide X factor to maintain engagement with the audience

 

[kristijanEX]

I guess the degenerate non-NTR version of harem would be fucking other guy's wives (netori) and since you made it about race, it's a white guy cucking 10 black guys.

 

[Meaning Less]

A harem of corpses? But watch out because if someone else killed the girl before you it would be NTR!

 

[aura-dev]

Degenerate Harem: Highly intensive head-patting and hand-holding with multiple harem members AT THE SAME TIME.

 

[DiviDreamer]

Degenerate Harem: Highly intensive head-patting and hand-holding with multiple harem members AT THE SAME TIME.

Too much

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

Double head-patting available only if Aura's Lewdness is > 69! (literally blueballing the loyal playerbase!)

Anyways, making a "degenerate" harem by combining harem with "degenerate" kinks is kinda a simplistic take. Think more about kinks that are possible only within a harem, or a 3+ person relationship. A woman bringing her sister-in-law into the harem, therefore betraying her brother (or a variation of some sort, ex. her mother instead of SIL). Or some fucked up in-harem dynamics, though I can't think of something generic off the top of my head.

For what it's worth, personally I think nothing tops the the depravity of a good ol' brainwashing and mindrape, so there's that.

 

[hakarlman]

Your mom, sister and aunt are in your harem and you take turns on them. Impregnating them all. Illegal is some areas, but not all.

Incest & Pregnancy are already planned. The fact you've confirmed what I already had planned is GREAT NEWS!

Everything that amplifies NTR can also amplify Harem.
In your example NTR is amplified by racial submission. Would also work for Harem (although arguably not as good).
Loli, family members, corruption, mind break, rape, impregnation - everything works for both (except for those who are not into it). BDSM play too, altough I don't consider it to be significantly deviant.

Within legal field the worst you can do is probably
inseki or oyakodon + impregnation + a bunch of lesser fetishes

Alternatively, a harem of nuns. Or, with fantasy, magical girls, superheroines or even goddeses.

Edit.: Now that I think of it, it's probably about what Miel and Norn do.
In addition to different settings, their titles usually have impregnation, and oftenly - scenes of petplay, milking or female urination on the floor.
Don't know if they can be considered "extreme", but it seems like this is as far as "clean" (legal and consensual) harem goes.

Nuns, superheroines, goddesses, milking, bdsm(no whips and chains, but conceptual bdsm), urination are already planned. Based on your feedback, I'm on the right track.

You think that lame-ass BBC cuckold netorase scenario is "extremely degenerate NTR?" Oh, you sweet summer child. Play Dark Hero Party sometime to get a taste.

Now how about this: Wife becomes a widow after her husband is killed on deployment fighting Islamic terrorists. After some time grieving, she moves on and enters a new relationship. The man is secretly a radicalized islamist and gradually brainwashes her with the same values. Eventually she accepts that it's okay for him to be polygamous, so he does the same to several other women with her help. Eventually, they all leave for the Middle-East so they can officially get married and start breeding future suicide-bombers for AQ/IS/whatever. I don't consider this NTR because the husband's long-dead, but even if you leave out the previous marriage from the story, it's pretty damn messed-up.

I would need to find an example of this somewhere in the porn genre. I would not know how to do this correctly. I'd need to read a story similar to your idea on literotica, and see it have high reviews, ensure it's in demand.

My game does have radical religion in it, so if you explain your idea to me in more detail in PM, i'll research it.

So your description “degenerate Harem” … to me seems somewhat like a mixed non comparable grouping of terms.

A harem at its core 1 person being serviced by multiple others …

You can create the degenerate(your term used for simplicity) harem by having it be somewhat taboo … a set of twins in service, or a mother and daughter, or ofc slightly more YOUR personal Mom & Sis, continue down the rabbit hole … add yet another layer with bdsm (which for most up isn’t degenerate (its all in the level)) or … X,Y,Z … I’m an average sort of degenerate and while I know there is all sorts of incest(Wincest) folks out there … imo that’s literally making the shallow end of the gene pool bigger + those kids will eventually be gifted with flippers or a extra head or whatever … I honestly think the reason the use of family members in most games is because just so much easier to sex up in one location vs having to create additional locations and then go there …but I suppose some folks actually dream of doing their own mother and sisters … but enough of this divergence.

IMO a harem is simply taking the standard persons sexual desire and adding a multiplication factor to it… and ofc then you have increased partners to accomplish it … for example say you love having a pair of plump breasts to use as your pillow for bedtime… take the multiplcative factor of the harem and instead of just having a pillow for your head you could make your entire bed of soft pillows of tits… Granted positioning of the rest of the woman, managing individual personalities, etc etc becomes something to consider … you can solve these sorts of issues easily because it’s fantasy and pretty much anything goes…magic cock, simple enslavement, brainwashing or Hannibal Lecter level depravity (meh) … IMO the creativity of the author of the “scene” is order to create the improbable is what makes it special.

I also believe that most “harems” are mostly exclusive to the 1 … there are exceptions ofc … a pimp and ho,ho,ho,ho,ho’s is a flavor of harem … but stds and crack-whores are only sexy to a very small % of the audience …

so TLDR; take whatever kink you think is sexy and to “harem” it just apply X multiple … but remember the harem is a persistent entity VS just group sex … so yes degenerate them to your kink but maybe provide X factor to maintain engagement with the audience

Based on your ideas, I'm on the right track. (I read your entire post).

I guess the degenerate non-NTR version of harem would be fucking other guy's wives (netori) and since you made it about race, it's a white guy cucking 10 black guys.

Netori is already in the game with the scenario you described. yes, exactly what you described.

A harem of corpses? But watch out because if someone else killed the girl before you it would be NTR!

No necrophilia. I just can't get into that genre. I tried getting into zombies and stuff, but any kind of deterioration of the body is a huge turn off. I guess I'm a normie in this regard, lol.

Degenerate Harem: Highly intensive head-patting and hand-holding with multiple harem members AT THE SAME TIME.

Love path is already planned.

Too much

lol, some hardcore, degenerate romance? Actually, there is a non-degenerate loving path already planned, with deep romance and being a good and decent man.

Double head-patting available only if Aura's Lewdness is > 69! (literally blueballing the loyal playerbase!)

Anyways, making a "degenerate" harem by combining harem with "degenerate" kinks is kinda a simplistic take. Think more about kinks that are possible only within a harem, or a 3+ person relationship. A woman bringing her sister-in-law into the harem, therefore betraying her brother (or a variation of some sort, ex. her mother instead of SIL). Or some fucked up in-harem dynamics, though I can't think of something generic off the top of my head.

For what it's worth, personally I think nothing tops the the depravity of a good ol' brainwashing and mindrape, so there's that.

Can you list some games that you're really into, Harem wise, that have brainwash & mind rape (or did you mean mind break?)

 

[Strike-10]

aura-dev said:
Degenerate Harem: Highly intensive head-patting and hand-holding with multiple harem members AT THE SAME TIME.

Too much

PREACH…Just how debased and sick are you!!!

 

[niffi]

Degenerate Harem:

Killing the men who eyeball your woman.

Degenerate Harem Pro Max: Then making their mothers and sisters your bitch.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

Can you list some games that you're really into, Harem wise, that have brainwash & mind rape (or did you mean mind break?)

I... don't think I can. Harem games tend to go for breadth at the expense of depth and those few that manage to achieve both, they explore the headpatting fetish. Which is why I don't particularly like them. Not because I don't enjoy the harem fantasy, but because I choose a well developed 1x1 relationship over a poorly developed 1x20 harem. Since these require a comparable effort (actually harem requires more because of art component), good harem games are much more rare.

If you want an example of a mindrape harem in fiction (not a game) I'd name Heartbreaker from Worm.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

Can you list some games that you're really into, Harem wise, that have brainwash & mind rape (or did you mean mind break?)

Try Overwhored, actually one of the very few harem games I've enjoyed, thanks to the villain MC and heroine corruption. MC basically goes around mind-raping heroines (and anyone else he fancies) into submission. There's more to the story later, but that's the fetish at play here.

 

[Beatrix Kiddo]

I am repeating what has been already said, but... To put it simply whatever NTR antagonists do, a harem MC can do too. Corruption, brainwash, submission, transform into cocksleeves, blackmail, rape, humiliation, public use, etc. You name it.

That's the stuff I like the most, but unfortunately I really dislike netorare (as in cuck mc) and it's rare to find those things outside of netorare focused games. And me being quite picky about both the story and art department doesn't help. I'm chronically thirsty for quality content of that sort. So I really wish you the best on making your game.

 

[Rezi7272]

Head patting

 

[Deleted member 111545]

I am repeating what has been already said, but... To put it simply whatever NTR antagonists do, a harem MC can do too. Corruption, brainwash, submission, transform into cocksleeves, blackmail, rape, humiliation, public use, etc. You name it.

That's the stuff I like the most, but unfortunately I really dislike netorare (as in cuck mc) and it's rare to find those things outside of netorare focused games. And me being quite picky about both the story and art department doesn't help. I'm chronically thirsty for quality content of that sort. So I really wish you the best on making your game.

Everything this guy said except the public use part, anything related to pimp them or share them hits too close to cuck

Degenerate Harem

Besides everything that has been mention in the thread something degenerate but borderline vanilla aside from slaving them and impregnating them could be to tattoo them ideally with the custom mc name but that would be impossible as far as i know so atleast something distinctive that shows they are owned by the mc, adding pissing whores would be a plus and its not too far from vanilla

Can you list some games that you're really into, Harem wise, that have brainwash & mind rape (or did you mean mind break?)

The first one that comes to mind is Dreams of desire it has some brainwash and the vn is pretty widely accepted as vanilla. is kinda tame for my taste of brainwash tho if you want to find some good harem mindbreak shit doujins is where is at

drop release date or a teaser for your game im pretty sure theres would be alot of people interested hakarlman

 

[jormungandrswe]

Intraharem dynamics is key. Having a hierarchy of girls from head bitch to lowest level girls opens up a lot of possibilites for domination and that kinda stuff. Also one of my favs is inverting power dynamics e.g. making the head girl beg for MC's dick in front of the other girls. There's also the taboo stuff others mentioned like having one of your girls help you bring her mom or w/e into your harem.

 

[Rafster]

Degenerate Harem: Highly intensive head-patting and hand-holding with multiple harem members AT THE SAME TIME

You are a fucking sicko, you know that?