What are you really looking for out of your kinks in games.

[MrLakes1579]

Got into a discussion on incest games in a thread of a not-incest game and it got me thinking what are all the boxes a game has to check to really fulfill the fantasy. In the process I realized a lot of games actually do the opposite in many ways.

For me the draw of an incest fantasy is someone that you have a very close caring relationship with, that evolution has hardcoded into your brain that you're not supposed to be attracted to bypasses all the safeguards and you become attracted anyway. There should be a lot of hesitation around initial pursuit for that reason, because if you could just pursue this person openly from the beginning it wouldn't feel forbidden and wouldn't feel earthshatteringly special when the connection finally happens. Most games do this part well but they tend to fail in the endgame.

Too many games (especially of the harem variety) end with you marrying all these relatives you've developed feelings for and having children with them. For me that kills a huge part of the fantasy. Once children get involved I can't stay aroused and I'm just thinking of everyone going into debt, not having enough energy to fuck like rabbits anymore and it has some special problems with incest. The whole reason incest isn't supposed to happen is because it can cause problems for the children born of it, so once the pregnancy comes up I'm just thinking "yay we're putting our future children in danger of terrible health problems."

You might say it's just a game and you're taking it too seriously, but that's the thing, if it moves too far away from the actual base kink it can veer into territory where you're getting nothing erotic out of it you start to focus on the particularly dark, unsexy parts of things.

I think the worst variation of this is the huge married harem of pregnant incest wives where it's implied someday you'll be fucking your daughter/neices or daughter/sisters. The set up of an incest story is that you have a special bond that transcends what society says you're supposed to feel so you make gigantic exceptions for the people closest to you whom you spontaneously developed feelings for. The other option basically turns you into Charles Manson, running an incest sex cult where you're going to look at your newborn baby girl and think "I can't wait to tap that."

Also I think the marriage aspect takes away from the fantasy for me as well. This is supposed to be a very special relationship that transcends definition and marriage just drags it down into being painfully normal. I like the thought that you find a vanilla relationship outside your and that's who you marry but that you always have your incestuous partner with you in different ways . For me the ideal combination is you have your wife or girlfriend who knows about and is onboard with your secondary incestuous relationship (Ideally to the point of being a part of it) where you remain in love with all the parties involved but the way you're in love with each of them is different. It keeps the incest spontaneous and special without forcing a cult leader vibe on the whole thing.

I enjoy lots of games that both fit what I want out of the fantasy and go against it (or more accurately go with in some ways and against in others). I'm just curious if others share this level of awareness of their own kinks and are willing to share.

What makes a pregnancy fantasy work for you?
What makes a rape fantasy work for you?
What makes a cheating/ntr fantasy work for you?

And what are some common trends you see going against how it works for you?

 

[rangaru]

What makes a pregnancy fantasy work for you?

Human biology.

What makes a rape fantasy work for you?

Domination aspect.

What makes a cheating/ntr fantasy work for you?

Domination aspect.

And what are some common trends you see going against how it works for you?

Lack of jealousy and other human emotions in most of female characters. They are just fuckdolls without agenda and self-respect.

 

[MrLakes1579]

Lack of jealousy and other human emotions in most of female characters. They are just fuckdolls without agenda and self-respect.

I'm the opposite on half of that. I definitely like them having agency and agendas and their own opinions on things but I don't get off on jealousy. I like the thought that if you're engaging with multiple people there isn't jealousy, but it's not that they're just so cowed that they'll let you be with whoever you want and will fuck any of your other female partners on command.

I like them being ok with the other people, but for their own reasons. Specifically I like the thought that if you have a huge harem type dynamic, each of the women involved is just as in love with at least one other woman in the harem as she is with you.

 

[rangaru]

Well it's your fantasy, nothing wrong with that. I just feel like a retard when I see all the women acting like hippies whores in the 60ties because I'm fortunate enough to not know any of them. Even third-wave feminist and actual Trotskists I happen to know have normal human psyche. And I not against that some character are into sharing/threesome/cuckqueen stuff just not fuckin all of them. Or just give them some reason for their behaviour.

 

[Hadley]

I'm the opposite on half of that. I definitely like them having agency and agendas and their own opinions on things but I don't get off on jealousy.

Well a few Girls fighting for you would be nice. I'm really tired of these Fuck-Fest Games where every Girl gets instantly wet if she sees the MC and obviously all are fine with you fucking all of them. It would be refreshing to see a more realistic Game where a Girl tells you "Me or Her!".

 

[Adabelitoo]

It would be refreshing to see a more realistic Game where a Girl tells you "Me or Her!".

But then it isn't a harem game anymore, or at least it kinda kills the joy of a haram game.

 

[woody554]

I would divide the examples you're speaking of into 1) romantic, 2) abuser, 3) pregnancy (not impregnation*). they all go under the same name 'incest', but are so different you probably shouldn't mix them. the presence of either of the two other genres will kill the game completely for the third group, for most people. perhaps the abuse game audience would be most tolerant to other two genres, but really it's probably just watering down the things they want.

ntr/no ntr is another big divide. as is male/female protagonists. gay/straight, including futa. scat.

I don't think it's a good idea mixing any of those, and trying to find a tolerable middle ground for all will just ruin it for all. the world has almost 8 billion people, there will be enough potential audience for any niche available. you'll reach them by doing your one genre WELL much more likely than a shit job for all of them.

also I'm sure people will be 100x more likely to cough up money and support that one game serving their niche perfectly, than paying for the game which at some point touches mildly (to not alienate others) your favourite fetish just enough to justify a tag.

*I separated impregnation, because without the consequences it's basically just cumming inside, fitting all genres very easily. where as the pregnancy crowd really WANTS those bodily changes and even birth and so on.

 

[WIRProductions]

For the harem fetish, no one has pulled it off the way I like it so that is why all my stories are harem based. Easier for me to checkoff the box if I am the one writing it. Needs to be more interaction and drama between the girls, instead of it just being a set of girls with their own, cordoned off path where no one knows what is going on but you.

Uniforms are also a big kink so characters actually being the job for the uniform they were but also interacting with you during that job. Sometimes you get role X but they are never doing that job, or rarely when sex gets involved.

 

[fenelia]

IMO, the characters should express hesitation, but then do it anyway in the end.

Like Greek heroes struggle against Fate, porn plot should be about getting past Shame on the road to Excess. That's the innocent mind prior to achieving knowledge, or wisdom.

Nobody believes the porn star is an ingenue anymore, but that weird moment of hesitation and bashfulness is still fun.

"... but I shouldn't do that."
It's such a fun statement when that finally becomes, "Oh, yes."

If you blow past that moment, I think you do your audience a disservice.

 

[LionInDarkness]

I really enjoy a game with decent mc. I hate when the mc is a dick on legs and all he thinks about is fucking. I know the game is about sex but i enjoy when the mc has decent convos, has fun with family and friends, makes ppl laugh, helps out when he can, etc. I enjoy when the Mc is reluctant or nervous. He is surprised or shocked when a woman is flirting with him. Simplest way to explain it is I enjoy the tension. Allot of devs forget about the tension and the lead up just jumping instantly to the sex with no real chemistry written. I'll admit i'm an incest enjoyer and one of the reasons i am is because of that. A well written mc will be nervous or shocked when something sexual happens with his mom, sister, cousin, aunt...it just sucks that with alot of the games we have (especially in terms of incest), the mc sex hungry maniac that is thinking about sex the moment the game starts.

(Monkey business and heart problems are good examples of games that did this pretty well)

 

[lfgals1]

I'm a big fan of Trainer games and have thought about this topic before.

The core appeal of a Trainer game for me is social power. The idea that "I" can reshape another person to fit my personal tastes via cunning/charisma/sexual prowess is deeply compelling.

 

[Stalker Seducer]

Got into a discussion on incest games in a thread of a not-incest game and it got me thinking what are all the boxes a game has to check to really fulfill the fantasy. In the process I realized a lot of games actually do the opposite in many ways.

For me the draw of an incest fantasy is someone that you have a very close caring relationship with, that evolution has hardcoded into your brain that you're not supposed to be attracted to bypasses all the safeguards and you become attracted anyway. There should be a lot of hesitation around initial pursuit for that reason, because if you could just pursue this person openly from the beginning it wouldn't feel forbidden and wouldn't feel earthshatteringly special when the connection finally happens. Most games do this part well but they tend to fail in the endgame.

Too many games (especially of the harem variety) end with you marrying all these relatives you've developed feelings for and having children with them. For me that kills a huge part of the fantasy. Once children get involved I can't stay aroused and I'm just thinking of everyone going into debt, not having enough energy to fuck like rabbits anymore and it has some special problems with incest. The whole reason incest isn't supposed to happen is because it can cause problems for the children born of it, so once the pregnancy comes up I'm just thinking "yay we're putting our future children in danger of terrible health problems."

You might say it's just a game and you're taking it too seriously, but that's the thing, if it moves too far away from the actual base kink it can veer into territory where you're getting nothing erotic out of it you start to focus on the particularly dark, unsexy parts of things.

I think the worst variation of this is the huge married harem of pregnant incest wives where it's implied someday you'll be fucking your daughter/neices or daughter/sisters. The set up of an incest story is that you have a special bond that transcends what society says you're supposed to feel so you make gigantic exceptions for the people closest to you whom you spontaneously developed feelings for. The other option basically turns you into Charles Manson, running an incest sex cult where you're going to look at your newborn baby girl and think "I can't wait to tap that."

Also I think the marriage aspect takes away from the fantasy for me as well. This is supposed to be a very special relationship that transcends definition and marriage just drags it down into being painfully normal. I like the thought that you find a vanilla relationship outside your and that's who you marry but that you always have your incestuous partner with you in different ways . For me the ideal combination is you have your wife or girlfriend who knows about and is onboard with your secondary incestuous relationship (Ideally to the point of being a part of it) where you remain in love with all the parties involved but the way you're in love with each of them is different. It keeps the incest spontaneous and special without forcing a cult leader vibe on the whole thing.

I enjoy lots of games that both fit what I want out of the fantasy and go against it (or more accurately go with in some ways and against in others). I'm just curious if others share this level of awareness of their own kinks and are willing to share.

What makes a pregnancy fantasy work for you?
What makes a rape fantasy work for you?
What makes a cheating/ntr fantasy work for you?

And what are some common trends you see going against how it works for you?

NTR and Pregnancy fantasies don't work for me because i don't like them. as far as rape it's the mental aspect and facial expressions that harsh anger and defiance or extreme fear and panic.