What changes or affects have occured from Japan's censorship?

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Given that the censorship has been in existance for quite a while now, it makes me wonder if enough time has passed that unique strange changes came about. It makes me wonder if...
there have been changes psychologically? Does the mind react differently? It could be towards it or any censorship in general.
if there were failed loop hole work arounds that people didn't like?
if it was somehow incorporated to add to the content?
 

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The genitalia censorship laws have made tentacle porn widespread. Not sure of any other changes, although I'm sure there are many. Probably an anal fixation in hentai since the anus is not banned from being shown.
 

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Is this enough of a change for you ?
 

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Is this enough of a change for you ?
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The genitalia censorship laws have made tentacle porn widespread. Not sure of any other changes, although I'm sure there are many. Probably an anal fixation in hentai since the anus is not banned from being shown.
But there is an array of porn of all types, everything from insects to creatures of all sorts. Ann onymous pointed out the tentacle dildos but there are dragon dildos too. Given that they're dicks, chances are they'd be censored and yet they're popular. So it makes me wonder if tentacles would still be a thing if censorship wasn't around
 

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So it makes me wonder if tentacles would still be a thing if censorship wasn't around
Japan is way more into seafood than the Western World, and the tentacles may stem from that. But I think that they're just a way to get around the dick censorship, for the most part.
 

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If you are speaking directly about Japanese pornography (in all it's various forms to include visual novels and games) that show censorship blurs and black outs, that is nothing new... Japanese culture is not the same as it is in Europe or the more prudish western markets... Japanese animation itself, historically, was not designed with kids in mind... But if a company wants to offer up their product to other cultures around the world or even to younger generations in their own country, they sometimes blur out that content so as not to offend... On top of all that, Japanese law has been interpreted in that country in varying ways, with the most recent interpretations requiring that all pornography in Japan must be at least partially censored, hence the genitalia tends to be blurred out... It's not strictly enforced, but due to how their culture works, you see most companies complying anyways, in order to save face... Why take the risk...

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If you are speaking directly about Japanese pornography (in all it's various forms to include visual novels and games) that show censorship blurs and black outs, that is nothing new... Japanese culture is not the same as it is in Europe or the more prudish western markets... Japanese animation itself, historically, was not designed with kids in mind... But if a company wants to offer up their product to other cultures around the world or even to younger generations in their own country, they sometimes blur out that content so as not to offend... On top of all that, Japanese law has been interpreted in that country in varying ways, with the most recent interpretations requiring that all pornography in Japan must be at least partially censored, hence the genitalia tends to be blurred out... It's not strictly enforced, but due to how their culture works, you see most companies complying anyways, in order to save face... Why take the risk...

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True, Japan has been influenced a lot by western culture when it comes to pornography and what people find arousing (the introduction of panties and pantyhose during the American occupation and the resulting fetishes post-WW2 come to mind), but the Japanese are a fiercely nationalistic culture, as well. Not sure if you can place the onus for censorship solely on the influence of western culture.
 

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Is there any way to delete your comment?
Also is there a delete search history for my brain?
The first one is possible, the second I doubt.

More seriously, censorship always have consequences, both on individual's mind and on the society ; and obviously, the longer the censorship exist, the deeper are the changes. But it's not always easy to differentiate a change that would have come naturally, from one due to the evolution of the society.


So it makes me wonder if tentacles would still be a thing if censorship wasn't around
No, but yes.
Japanese's censorship of genital parts have evolved with time. Now you just have to hide a small part of them (the black bar), and there was the mosaic/blur. But before this, they needed to be totally removed. It's not this a problem for female characters ; when you see something disappearing between their legs, you know what it mean. But it was a real problem for male characters, because you simply didn't knew that the invisible dick was disappearing in the invisible vagina. So, tentacles appeared. They weren't covered by the censorship laws and they were phallic, just what was needed to complete the scene.
Therefore, if there were no censorship at first, it would probably haven't been a thing. But now that tentacle sex exist, it will stay forever. Sometimes it will be more visible, sometimes seem to disappear, like any other fetish, but once something related to sex appear, it don't really disappear.
 

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But now that tentacle sex exist, it will stay forever. Sometimes it will be more visible, sometimes seem to disappear, like any other fetish, but once something related to sex appear, it don't really disappear.
I disagree with that. Fetishes are a reaction to the current society. Once the society changes, fetishes tend to disappear. If tomorrow Japan would remove the censorship law, sure, the tentacle porn would continue being consumed, but only until the current generation dies out. You don't really see people with ankle fetishes anymore, or many clown fetishists, for that matter. It's a slow death, but it happens eventually.
 

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I disagree with that. Fetishes are a reaction to the current society. Once the society changes, fetishes tend to disappear.
According to this, voyeurism and exhibitionism should have (almost) disappeared from all countries where nudity wasn't a taboo during the last 70 years. Same for indigenous fetish, that was a big thing in the early 20th century, because it was a way to get around censorship on nudity in movies and photography. And obviously bestiality, now that we don't live anymore in direct relation with many animals. All those fetishes should have disappeared, but still are present.
Fetishes follow a tendency, but it's something independent to society changes. Take pegging by example. It tend to have a good visibility nowadays, and effectively some can say that it's because of the better acceptation of homosexuality ; and by consequence the better acceptation of practices that looks like homosexual. But for having had the privilege to see amateur porn movies from 1910/1920, a time where homosexuality was repressed, I can assure you that it already had a good place at those times.


You don't really see people with ankle fetishes anymore, or many clown fetishists, for that matter. It's a slow death, but it happens eventually.
It isn't a death, just a return to the secrecy of the bedroom. Contrarily to the belief, things exist even when they aren't everywhere on internet.
With few exceptions, like tentacle sex, you found trace of any fetishes you want in every part of the know history. Some have effectively disappeared, but it's because it's now impossible to practice them. Yet, corset fetish play yo-yo since more or less two decades. This while corsets disappeared from wardrobe between 1930 and 1940. For more than half the people who express this fetish, even their grand-mothers never wore one in their whole life.
 

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According to this, voyeurism and exhibitionism should have (almost) disappeared from all countries where nudity wasn't a taboo during the last 70 years. Same for indigenous fetish, that was a big thing in the early 20th century, because it was a way to get around censorship on nudity in movies and photography. And obviously bestiality, now that we don't live anymore in direct relation with many animals. All those fetishes should have disappeared, but still are present.
Fetishes follow a tendency, but it's something independent to society changes. Take pegging by example. It tend to have a good visibility nowadays, and effectively some can say that it's because of the better acceptation of homosexuality ; and by consequence the better acceptation of practices that looks like homosexual. But for having had the privilege to see amateur porn movies from 1910/1920, a time where homosexuality was repressed, I can assure you that it already had a good place at those times.




It isn't a death, just a return to the secrecy of the bedroom. Contrarily to the belief, things exist even when they aren't everywhere on internet.
With few exceptions, like tentacle sex, you found trace of any fetishes you want in every part of the know history. Some have effectively disappeared, but it's because it's now impossible to practice them. Yet, corset fetish play yo-yo since more or less two decades. This while corsets disappeared from wardrobe between 1930 and 1940. For more than half the people who express this fetish, even their grand-mothers never wore one in their whole life.
Fetishes come from the taboo aspect of something. Missionary vaginal sex is not really a fetish, is it? Or not in the sense in which I understand fetishes. Yet piledriver anal is. Both are accepted, afaik not one of them is banned anywhere in western society. Yes, you could find a small number of necrophiliacs today, for example, just as you can find a small number of people obsessed with anything. To each his own and all that. I agree with your view on the matter and all known fetishes since the caveman days are represented in some individuals. What I was saying is that the prevalence of any specific fetish is tied to the society at large.
The corset thing, for example: sure, women stopped wearing corsets eons ago, but nostalgia for the "good ole'" victorian times is alive and well. So we fetishize corsets, steampunk stuff. Homosexuality is no longer a fetish, it has graduated into a way of life and is somewhat accepted, at least in most civilized societies. I predict pegging will go the same way in a few generations if we graduate from the "women as property" school of thought.
Bestiality was once almost normal, or at least normal in some cultures and some time periods. Now it's shunned in most of the world and it's relegated to a fetish, niche act.

P.S. : Also, voyeurism will never disappear as long as the culture promotes the nude human body or the act of sex as something shameful or something not to be seen in public. I'm betting voyeurism was never a fetish in the tribal societies where women would go naked in public and sexual acts would take place in the village center.
 
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True, Japan has been influenced a lot by western culture when it comes to pornography and what people find arousing (the introduction of panties and pantyhose during the American occupation and the resulting fetishes post-WW2 come to mind), but the Japanese are a fiercely nationalistic culture, as well. Not sure if you can place the onus for censorship solely on the influence of western culture.
I re-read my original reply, and I don't see anything that I said with regards to Western Cultures effecting or influencing Japan's censorship laws... I only spoke about how various cultures differ, not anything about influence... So your reply has me somewhat confused... Their censorship laws are solely theirs, based on their own cultural ideals...

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I wasn't really attacking or agreeing with what you said, mostly just thinking through the issue on my end. Still, Japan had a very relaxed view of nudity before opening itself to western influence. So, I did have a point there, although reached by a very convoluted process. :)
 

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Fetishes come from the taboo aspect of something.
So there shouldn't have been an ankle fetish lately, to keep your own example, since showing your ankle isn't taboo since something like 90 years now.
Aren't you confusing taboo with the transgression of a prohibition ? Taboo are purely moral, and not related to the effective prohibition of something. In more or less half of the world, incest is something legal as long as it's between consenting adults. Still, it's seen as a taboo in most of the world, including countries where it's legal. At the opposite, there's many countries where nudity is absolutely not a taboo, but still something totally illegal in public places.
Anyway, whatever it's the taboo or the legal transgression, like I said corset fetish is a thing, like stocking fetish, leotard fetish, feet fetish, and so many fetishes related to something that is neither a taboo, nor prohibited. In fact all the fetishes corresponding to the strict definition of the word are neither a taboo, nor prohibited, since they are initially a derivative to the effective sexual act. Its only on the extended definition of the word, that include things like anal fetish, BDSM, and so on, that you can found fetishes targeting a taboo (deviancy) or fetishes targeting a prohibition (transgression). But even in this case, it's not mandatory. Fetishes are practices that trigger and/or increase the desire, and you don't necessarily have to add the spice of deviancy or transgression to achieve this.
Since I named BDSM, I can see the potential taboo, as well as the potential illegal part, in the role of dominant, but I fail to see both in the one of submissive. So what ? Being dominant is a fetish and being submissive not ? Same for bondage, where being the one with the rope can potentially be seen as a deviancy or a transgression. But I don't know a place where it's taboo or illegal to be tied. So here again, it is, or not, a fetish, depending of the place you occupy ?


What I was saying is that the prevalence of any specific fetish is tied to the society at large. The corset thing, for example: sure, women stopped wearing corsets eons ago, but nostalgia for the "good ole'" victorian times is alive and well.
Except that people who have this nostalgia are generally also against those sexual deviance that are fetishes. And I don't even talk about all the parts of the world where "Victorian times" mean nothing more that a boring hour in history classes, when it don't just mean absolutely nothing.


Homosexuality is no longer a fetish, it has graduated into a way of life and is somewhat accepted, at least in most civilized societies.
What ? Homosexuality is a sexual preference, it never was a fetish, and isn't at all a way of life.


P.S. : Also, voyeurism will never disappear as long as the culture promotes the nude human body or the act of sex as something shameful or something not to be seen in public.
Do you even know what voyeurism is ? When a voyeur look under the skirt of a girl, he don't expect to see her sex (it's the cherry on the cake, not his goal), nor a micro man having sex with her, or just geisha balls.
Anyway, there's many countries where nudity and sexual acts are seen as totally natural. They are still prohibited in public place, but not because it's something shameful, just to protect children from something that can potentially be traumatic for them. Yet, being prohibited in public place doesn't mean that it's prohibited in public. There's many countries where you found, not just nudist beaches, but nudist campsites. Places that are small towns where you do everything, including buying your groceries by example, fully naked. And nobody care at all outside of them. There's also many countries where parents don't care to be naked in from of their children. And among all those countries, many are Western ones.
And in all those countries, voyeurism is still an effective fetish, even for people who also frequent those places, or are used to nudity since their youth. Voyeurism is the pleasure to see something that you shouldn't have. For some, it explicitly need to be related to sexual part of the body. But for some, seeing a shoulder under a shirt is enough to increase their lust. Not because it's, by itself, sexual for them, just because the said shoulder should have stay hidden under the shirt of this unknown girl. And, once again, there's nothing taboo, nor illegal, in the fact to see this shoulder...
 

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I got -maybe- a ''newbie'' question, but I'd just realized this, so I want to ask you guys

I found on a popular website that there is apparently a huge amount of dudes here in Argentina who are fans of japanese stuff related to underaged girls, I mean like, no teenagers but KIDS; I'd readed them talking about it for years but I'd never knew exactly what they were talking about nor gave a shit, then I saw pics they upload and I'm like, WTF... I mean cukold is fucked up enough to make me feel ill, but, kids?

it seems what they read or watch is not a small ''underground'' production for a niche but like there is actual japanese companies producing this thing? How is this possible?

This is illegal stuff in most countries (even sexualized drawings are illegal) but is this ''accepted'' or legal in Japan? how they produce sell and distribute something illegal around the world, is just nobody realized what is it all about?

and what shocked me the most, what if these guys are about attack real kids or something.
is Japanese culture REALLY fucked up?
 
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I got -maybe- a ''newbie'' question, but I'd just realized this, so I want to ask you guys

I found on a popular website that there is apparently a huge amount of dudes here in Argentina who are fans of japanese stuff related to underaged girls, I mean like, no teenagers but KIDS; I'd readed them talking about it for years but I'd never knew exactly what they were talking about nor gave a shit, then I saw pics they upload and I'm like, WTF... I mean cukold is fucked up enough to make me feel ill, but, kids?

it seems what they read or watch is not a small ''underground'' production for a niche but like there is actual japanese companies producing this thing? How is this possible?

This is illegal stuff in most countries (even sexualized drawings are illegal) but is this ''accepted'' or legal in Japan? how they produce sell and distribute something illegal around the world, is just nobody realized what is it all about?

and what shocked me the most, what if these guys are about attack real kids or something.
is Japanese culture REALLY fucked up?
There is this term in some Japanese Hentai called Loli (short for Lolicon), which is in essence slang for young girls who have not reached the age of sexual consent (aka a prepubescent girl)… This is a reference not only used for animated girls in that category, but also real girls in that category... Usually ranging from ages 4 to 12 years old... It is thought to have originated from a book in the 1950's called Lolita...

Not all loli type characters in Japanese Manga and Anime actually partake in anything sexual or are witness to anything sexual... If they did, then of course, in many countries (i.e. the United Kingdom, the United States, etc) that would be considered child pornography, even if it's hand drawn or 3D rendered... Some animators and fans of loli style animated characters try to argue that loli characters don't necessarily have to be child aged, in fiction, so it shouldn't be considered unlawful... But the laws in many countries don't look at it that way... Many countries have began adopting laws that state if the characters visually appear under the proper age (usually 18) of consent, then it is prosecutable, regardless of media... There have already been court cases where folks were charged with possession of child pornography in the form of Manga and Animation, and they are serving jail sentences... Most countries are deadly serious about it... I would not doubt that it is some underground thing, but even sites like this one have rules to ban content resembling prepubescent gilrs/boys, if exposed to or partaking in sexual content...

Japan isn't the only country where underground developers are making that sort of crap... So I wouldn't just shake your finger at Japanese culture... Whenever I myself run into that crap, I have no qualms reporting it to the proper folks...

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Many countries have began adopting laws that state if the characters appear under the proper age (usually 18) of consent, then it is prosecutable...
Many countries, including Japan itself. Since 2014 it's illegal to own child pornography and, depending of the context, it include or not drawn one. That's why now loli and shota come from the underground, and not anymore from the big magazines ; better safe that hit hard by Law.
But the age of consent being of 13 years in Japan, what they call "child pornography" isn't what other countries call like this. In the end, loli and shota continue to legally exist.
 

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Whenever I myself run into that crap, I have no qualms reporting it to the proper folks...
I did just that; first I talked to the moderators of the site, nothing happened, then I found they were talking to a couple 13/14 yold girls there, so I captured all I could and showed it to my mother (she is a psychologist and works with adolescents), she pointed me out what to do, I gave all caps to the police (weirdest thing I ever did, talk to the police); it seems I was not the only one who went there because of this site

when those guys find out it was a riot, some saying me and whoever else denounce them ''didn't understand shit'' (wtf is there to understand??) and others users happy to see someone finally did something about it; those guys mostly dissapeared from the site but as far as I know police didn't do anything.

Idk, I guess I did my part at least, cause it was going real, there were 25y old guys talking about ''bdsm'' with 13/14y old girls, I mean, if you see that on the street you kill these scum, so not a fucking regret