whats the deal with NTR? why is it so hated?

[eaudecologne]

Dunno, it's just normal moral reaction IMO, psychologically healthy people don't like to see other people or even animals being tormented for no reason.

I agree about the animals part but you don't play GTA, counter strike or anything? I don't think it's just me but I.. like... killing.. virtual
... people. Haha I don't where you're from where people don't partake in fantasy violence. Horror movies, games you've not noticed it? or those don't count?

 

[agelastos]

Those sound way too fucking specific to be examples you thought off the top of your head.
Also, if anyone gets off on infecting people with ANY std, they should probably stop jerking off and just go to therapy... that's just messed up.

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If it exists, or can be imagined, there are people who are turned on by it.
Also, you should probably brush up on the general rules. Specifically rule 3.

 

[suspiciousriceeater]

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If it exists, or can be imagined, there are people who are turned on by it.
Also, you should probably brush up on the general rules. Specifically rule 3.

Ted Bundy got off on torture, rape and murder, didn't he? Is it kinkshaming if I call him a terrible monster for it? Kinks are okay so long as they don't harm those around them. Everything is okay under CONSENSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES. Willingly transmitting STDs to people isn't okay, dude. Everyone's saying "oh no don't kinkshame" until they themselves get an STD because some sick fuck got off on it. For that specific example I'd argue it's no longer kinkshaming and just enforcing human fucking rights. Other than that, do whatever you want with bugs, man.

 

[eaudecologne]

Ted Bundy got off on torture, rape and murder, didn't he?

Didn't get off on ntr though, did he? You're barking up the wrong tree pal

 

[Dark.one22]

NTR tends to get hate because it hits on people’s insecurities. Without getting into all the sub-genres, most can’t fathom their partner being with someone else. The reality is, relationships like this have existed throughout human history. They are normal. Those who loudly denounce NTR are often just projecting their own fears and insecurities.

 

[agelastos]

Ted Bundy got off on torture, rape and murder, didn't he? Is it kinkshaming if I call him a terrible monster for it? Kinks are okay so long as they don't harm those around them. Everything is okay under CONSENSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES. Willingly transmitting STDs to people isn't okay, dude. Everyone's saying "oh no don't kinkshame" until they themselves get an STD because some sick fuck got off on it. For that specific example I'd argue it's no longer kinkshaming and just enforcing human fucking rights. Other than that, do whatever you want with bugs, man.

First of all, we're talking about NTR, not bugchasing. I mentioned bugchasing because most people would agree that it's a much more extreme kink than NTR, nothing else. Kinkshaming people for being into NTR is definitely against the rules.
Secondly, we're not talking about actual real-life sexual practices. We're talking about porn. I'm not okay with RL rape, but does that mean I can kinkshame people for jerking off to rape games? No.

 

[FNM90]

While I don't give a crap what other people like, I am one of the harem lovers. I cannot understand why someone would enjoy an anti-power fantasy.

I can totally understand anti-power fantasy. As I see it, is somewhat related to the same power dynamic of submission. What is beyond me is why seek this in a game, specially so often, when by far it's the most achievable outcome in real life. Almost anyone could do it.

Harem? Very few guys could manage.
Less common fetishes? Unless you're willing to pay, good luck.
A romantic love story? Not impossible, but it's not upon you to decide.

NTR - I really don't see how it cannot take place IRL, if you actively look forward for this. Maybe not in a very conservative country where partners are bound to one another... Still, definitely not the case of a Western or Latin American society.

 

[Iexist]

NTR is unorthodox. Even if you don't self-insert, it's the same as not liking futa or judging someone for liking feet. Porn media is porn media, and NTR is a turn-off to some people including myself. It's like Metamorphosis or 177013 where you genuinely can't jerk off to it because you feel bad for the MC. Just jerk off to hot chicks man, why does anyone feel the need to add human suffering as a topping to porn?

It's the same for SAO as you mentioned, why would anyone want to see the MC get cucked? Let me tell you: jealousy. Those that like NTR are either cucks or jealous people who lead trashy lives: i.e. they want to see someone get cucked because that someone has things THEY PERSONALLY don't have.

Any normal person would just shrug. It's the same thing as normal people not wanting female characters to get raped for just being a bitch. Liking NTR is something deeper, something related to the personal lives of those who enjoy it. Hence why normal people don't really like it: people who like NTR are, well, often messed up in the head.

Eh, I'll have to disagree with you here, because there are a lot of potential reasons to like NTR as a fetish. Some people do indeed get off on someone's life getting destroyed, meaning the cuck. Those are usually the peeps into Netori. Some people get off to the idea of being cucked themselves, the people that self-insert as the cuck. Some people just jack off to anything as long as the art is hot. Some people actually like to imagine themselves as the person being stolen, about being desired so much that someone would literally steal them away in a storm of lust. Some people don't care about the NTR specifically, and are into it for the sluttification and/or corruption of the person that's being stollen.

I'm in the last category myself. I like corruption as a fetish. The idea that someone becomes an objectively horrible person due to lust that's as strong as literal hard-drugs. It's hot. Unfortunately, sexualized corruption in a lot of Hentai media is just slutification, and NTR is one of those genres that genuinely turns things into corruption, because the person being stolen genuinely becomes a horrible person in some objective way by the end. (By that same token, it's why I'm not fond of BSS, because those almost never have corruption and the stealing is often in the cuck's mind more than anything else...)

BUT!!!!

It's only hot if it's fiction. If it's anime tiddies and all that jazz. I don't even want to imagine 90% of the fetishes I'm into in reality. At all. Under any shape or circumstances. I can't even watch porn with real people. I just can't get off to the stuff. Objectifying real people in any way is just not ok for me.

Plus, it's not like my favorite fetishes, that is to say, tentacles and babes in ridiculously skin-tight bodysuits, are even possible in reality...

Does that mean I'm messed up in the head? Uh... Why? I've never harmed or hurt anyone. No one IS getting hurt. At all. Not even me. I don't have to feel bad about pixels and whatnot. No one does. It's a choice.

Ted Bundy got off on torture, rape and murder, didn't he? Is it kinkshaming if I call him a terrible monster for it? Kinks are okay so long as they don't harm those around them. Everything is okay under CONSENSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES. Willingly transmitting STDs to people isn't okay, dude. Everyone's saying "oh no don't kinkshame" until they themselves get an STD because some sick fuck got off on it. For that specific example I'd argue it's no longer kinkshaming and just enforcing human fucking rights. Other than that, do whatever you want with bugs, man.

See, if we'd be talking about something in reality, then, yeah, the concept of kink-shaming doesn't apply. One's personal freedom stops at the point where they start bringing any kind of physical or emotional harm to another, etc etc. Bug chasing and the like is definitely disgusting IRL, and I didn't even believe it was a thing IRL until I saw vids of people licking toilets to catch COVID... >.>"

If we're talking about pure fiction though....

Why care? Anything can and should be permitted, with the only limitations being restricting hard media from underage members of society as well as the mentally ill, as those individuals may not be prepared to properly process such things. Aside from that... Why should anyone care what someone gets off too?

If we're talking about fictional media and someone's enjoyment of fictional media, kink-shaming is always a thing, and the moral high-ground doesn't exist.

 

[suspiciousriceeater]

Didn't get off on ntr though, did he? You're barking up the wrong tree pal

I was responding to something else entirely, what's this got to do with NTR?

First of all, we're talking about NTR, not bugchasing. I used those other examples to prove that people are into all kinds of shit, some of which is much more extreme than NTR, because you said you couldn't understand how some people get off to NTR. Kinkshaming people for being into NTR is definitely against the rules.

I never kinkshamed anyone for liking NTR. I only said that I found NTR unlikeable. Well, I did say that people who liked NTR were often messed up in the head, but then again everyone here is so I'm not sure how much of an insult that is. Truth is, normal people don't like people who like this shit because they can't wrap their heads around it. That plain and simple.

Secondly, we're not talking about actual real-life sexual practices. We're talking about porn. I'm not okay with RL rape, but does that mean I can kinkshame people for jerking off to rape games? No.

Name one fucking game where you can transmit HIV to some random unexpecting lad. I'm talking about the real life practice of said kink, that was what I called messed up. But hey, I implore you to find an example of something fictional that people who have said kink can jerk off to, that way you'll have proven to me that they CAN do this in a controlled environment.

 

[eaudecologne]

NTR - I really don't see how it cannot take place IRL

Well to put it simply, ntr in a porn game is not like cheating in real life... If we take this logic why would a woman play a porn game they could just get corrupted irl? I mean they're into the fantasy right

I was responding to something else entirely, what's this got to do with NTR?

Oh thought it's just the topic of the thread we're in, my bad

 

[Icarus Media]

Those sound way too fucking specific to be examples you thought off the top of your head.
Also, if anyone gets off on infecting people with ANY std, they should probably stop jerking off and just go to therapy... that's just messed up.

Google 'Bug Chasing'.

 

[Icarus Media]

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If it exists, or can be imagined, there are people who are turned on by it.
Also, you should probably brush up on the general rules. Specifically rule 3.

Oh you beat me to it.

 

[agelastos]

Name one fucking game where you can transmit HIV to some random unexpecting lad. I'm talking about the real life practice of said kink, that was what I called messed up. But hey, I implore you to find an example of something fictional that people who have said kink can jerk off to, that way you'll have proven to me that they CAN do this in a controlled environment.

What the actual...? Who am I, some kind of porn encyclopedia? I don't know if there's bugchasing porn out there. There probably is, but I don't fucking know. They probably have their own forums, if you care enough to go looking. But even if there is no bugchasing porn to be found, you don't actually need porn to masturbate to something, do you? All you need is some imagination.

Are you going out of your way to misconstrue everything I say?

 

[suspiciousriceeater]

What the actual...? Who am I, some kind of porn encyclopedia? I don't know if there's bugchasing porn out there. There probably is, but I don't fucking know. They probably have their own forums, if you care enough to go looking. But even if there is no bugchasing porn to be found, you don't actually need porn to masturbate to something, do you? All you need is some imagination.

Are you going out of your way to misconstrue everything I say?

When's the last time you've gooned to your imagination mate? I'm not that far gone as to know what "bugchasers" want, but if there isn't material to entertain them they're bound to resort to real shit eventually. Porn or even imagination not being enough to keep people satisfied is 99% of the reason people like Ted Bundy or whoever the fuck you want to name went to such lengths: they wanted something more arousing or some shit.

Just saying, don't say I didn't warn ya.

 

[agelastos]

Those sound way too fucking specific to be examples you thought off the top of your head.

When's the last time you've gooned to your imagination mate? I'm not that far gone as to know what "bugchasers" want, but if there isn't material to entertain them they're bound to resort to real shit eventually. Porn or even imagination not being enough to keep people satisfied is 99% of the reason people like Ted Bundy or whoever the fuck you want to name went to such lengths: they wanted something more arousing or some shit.

Just saying, don't say I didn't warn ya.

Normal porn + some imagination, then. Suddenly the two (or three, or seven) people aren't just fucking, one of them is infecting the other(s).

Warn me? Are you seriously implying that I'm into bugchasing just because I knew it was a thing?

Also, this is getting very off-topic.

 

[FNM90]

Well to put it simply, ntr in a porn game is not like cheating in real life... If we take this logic why would a woman play a porn game they could just get corrupted irl? I mean they're into the fantasy right

As I see it, NTR is beyond cheating. The average NTR hentai will always contain cheating, but cheating, per se, it's just one element (the most important, but still a single one) of a "good" NTR story.

Also, your own example of a woman playing an AVN about corruption only strengths my point. That said woman is IRL, more corrupted than the game girl, which is usually a naive virgin with latent sexuality and would never dare to dabble in porn, AVNs or anything beyond "not too kink" toughts. Such women exist IRL, but are very rare and far between. And hitting them might have heavy legal (or physically dangerous) consequences. So, for a female with such desire, playing 50 games about corruption, while thinking about being corrupted by a pervert when she was younger or about her corrupting someone else, is still more promising than look forward for that IRL. Moreover, corruption usually has a supernatural ou a blackmail element into it, which by itself is another hurdle.

 

[lfgals1]

My reason for hating NTR is, like my hatred of femboys, petty and selfish. NTR sucks the air out of the room for related kinks I do enjoy.

I consume NTR content in other formats readily enough because generally the cuck shows up at the start and end and is easy to ignore while I get what I actually came for, men corrupting women.

In a game you spend a huge chunk of the time as the cuck. Someone who I don't give a single shit about outside of his role as a morality pet for the FMC to show how far into vice she has fallen.

When I see an NTR game with good art (and there are a surprising number) I'm generally bummed out because there is a great maledom corruption story in there that I only get to experience bits and pieces of.

 

[SinisterPortal]

I guess another reason to hate NTR is because it meant to cause depression. Scat, gay, guro etc - they are disgusting but that about it, you just see them and think "this is disgusting, I don't want to see it". But with NTR there's no such instant reaction. The dark feelings envelop you steadily as you play it, and you might not even notice the moment when your soul is already aching, you can play much further than that point, to worsen the effect way more. I remember I was depressed for 5 days after I played my first NTR game (didn't finish it of course, stopped at about a half of the story). Back then I didn't know what kind of genre NTR is and why I should strictly avoid these cursed 3 letters.

 

[whowhawhy]

bugchasers write nurgle fanfics

Most people, when a story uses "I" statements self-insert.

but it's "you" statements that represent the player/reader/viewer (a narration of what you're doing); "i" is what you hear when you're being told a story (the pov character telling it to you the player/reader/viewer) unless you're an avid diary writer and pretend it's yours.

 

[suspiciousriceeater]

Warn me? Are you seriously implying that I'm into bugchasing just because I knew it was a thing?

How the fuck did you come to that conclusion?