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whats the deal with NTR? why is it so hated?

eaudecologne

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I hate NTR because of the double standard. Rape, incest, violence, bestiality, necrophilia, pedophilia, mind control, NTR, etc are all things that are harmful, yet it's only NTR that doesn't get censored.
What do you mean? All those tags are available here more or less
 

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Corruption of a man is an interesting idea, never saw it in games. In the reviews I read that this game is a bisexual cuckold simulator in a dark fantasy world, is that correct?
Yes, but there are choices of what you want to avoid/skip.
 
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Two, the hatred of NTR is more universal than just games. You can't really self-insert in a manga or animation or any other 3rd person perspective media... and yet comment sections and whatnot for such media still attracts the same kind of hatred.
Many people self-insert even when the protagonist is an actual character, i.e not a placeholder like many VN games, and has an actual personality.
As an example, a lot of hatred directed at Sasuke Uchiha from the Naruro series is because he's seen (unjustly I might add) as the stand-in for the sort of "cool popular guy from school/college who gets all the girls" from real life, and that rattles the people who self-insert as the protagonist Naruto Uzumaki.

Even though Sasuke couldn't give less of a shit about the fangirls harassing him, doesnt care about popularity due to being a traumatized loner, and is more or less focused on getting stronger to avenge his clan.
 

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Calling it "insecurity" misses the point. It's a genre built on feelings of powerlessness, betrayal, and jealousy. Most people don't play games or consume media to feel those specific emotions on purpose. It's like asking why people who want a fun comedy hate horror movies—they're just looking for a different experience.
 

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Many people self-insert even when the protagonist is an actual character, i.e not a placeholder like many VN games, and has an actual personality.
As an example, a lot of hatred directed at Sasuke Uchiha from the Naruro series is because he's seen (unjustly I might add) as the stand-in for the sort of "cool popular guy from school/college who gets all the girls" from real life, and that rattles the people who self-insert as the protagonist Naruto Uzumaki.

Even though Sasuke couldn't give less of a shit about the fangirls harassing him, doesnt care about popularity due to being a traumatized loner, and is more or less focused on getting stronger to avenge his clan.
That's an interesting perspective. I honestly didn't know that people hated Sasuke for that particular reason. (Let's face it, he gets hate for a lot of reasons of various levels of justification. Kishimoto bungled up a lot of things.) I'm even more impressed that people can self-insert in that sort of circumstance when a full on a 3rd person perspective is in play.

I suppose I could see that angle to an extent, but the phenomenon still seems too widespread for just self-inserting of any kind to account for it. One could argue that people sympathize a lot with a character, and thus end up hating negative situations around that character... but even that's weird when a lot of NTR victims just aren't developed enough to have that much of an effect. The stories just aren't long enough. Especially in manga and animations. (By that same token, manga and animations tend to have the cheapest type of NTR there is because of time constraints.)

Eh, maybe my mindset is just too different to be able to understand such things. I'm the type that's allergic to kink-shaming of any kind, and quite a few of the really vocal NTR haters tend to be kink-shamers.
 
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eaudecologne

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Eh, maybe my mindset is just too different to be able to understand such things. I'm the type that's allergic to kink-shaming of any kind, and quite a few of the really vocal NTR haters tend to be kink-shamers.
Its a fair point about kink shamers but a thought I had is if ntr wasn't around anymore do you think they would calm down? I browse around this ai chatbot site and in the comments of every ntr bot I see people just going wild with violent fantasies about what they'd do to the bad guy in the story or the creator themselves. So i kinda feel like part of the equation is not that they just dislike ntr but it's also kind of a safe target for them to say anything they want really. These guys seek it out, you'll tell them to block the tag but they don't want to. Similar thing I've noticed on twitter, there's a term called normie sadism going around and this is used when for example there will be a rapist being caught and you'll have seemingly normal people just rattle off the most grotesque fantasies in plain view. Like older ladies just saying the guy should be dismembered and tortured medieval style or guys saying they hope he gets raped to death in jail and it's usually more graphic than I'm being here. So the theory is that seemingly normal people have these dormant sadistic tendencies and theyre just waiting for a safe target to unload on.
 
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Its a fair point about kink shamers but a thought I had is if ntr wasn't around anymore do you think they would calm down? I browse around this ai chatbot site and in the comments of every ntr bot I see people just going wild with violent fantasies about what they'd do to the bad guy in the story or the creator themselves. So i kinda feel like part of the equation is not that they just dislike ntr but it's also kind of a safe target for them to say anything they want really. These guys seek it out, you'll tell them to block the tag but they don't want to. Similar thing I've noticed on twitter, there's a term called normie sadism going around and this is used when for example there will be a rapist being caught and you'll have seemingly normal people just rattle off the most grotesque fantasies in plain view. Like older ladies just saying the guy should be dismembered and tortured medieval style or guys saying they hope he gets raped to death in jail and it's usually more graphic than I'm being here. So the theory is that seemingly normal people have these dormant sadistic tendencies and theyre just waiting for a safe target to unload on.
Honestly, I do think that if NTR disappeared, that a bunch of these kink-shamers would disappear too, figuratively speaking. Sure, there's trolls and moral-fags or whatever they're called that'd just move on to another kink... But generally, those people already hit other objectionable fetishes if they feel like it. However, there's people that only go for NTR to an insane degree and just plain ignore other objectionable fetishes, as if NTR is somehow worse than rape, murder, identity death, vore and whatever other fetishes you want to put on this list that are genuinely insanely horrible.

As for people going ultra-sadist on social media about certain things. Well, tbh, I'd wish horrible things too towards an IRL rapist. Those people are utter scum and I genuinely believe they deserve to suffer. There's a massive difference between IRL crimes and purely fictional works though. If we treated fiction by the exact same standards as reality, we'd have to fine or imprison the makers of everything from GTA to Harry Potter.

At the end of the day, most people have some impulse or another that they restrain through reason. So it's entirely possible that some people will look for safe targets for their vitriol in social media and forums... though I'd personally recommend violent video-games. They're better than spewing crap at people on the Internet.

By that same token. It's possible that there's people that genuinely have issues separating fiction from reality, and there's more of them than one might expect...

Neither really explains "Why NTR and not some other fetish?" though. I definitely believe that rape in general is more objectionable than NTR in any form. Same with murder and thievery and other such things.
 
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I'm going to guess that they simply had a bad experience, are terribly afraid of experiencing being cheated on, or simply don't like being... homewreckers, which is fair, but not even close enough to justify the hate against NTR.

There's also the matter of self-inserting into these stories, and I guess going in and being cheated on in a game too is not pleasant lol, but still, it's not enough.

I will say most NTR is written with the main character being just a huge wuss and completely fucking stupid. "Oh that girl getting gangbanged looks like my girl, how weird. Okay, moving on." Like for fuck sake... Now that alone is kind of a good reason to stay away from it, but still not to hate it.

I particularly don't care much. If the art is great, it's not written by a child and there's at least some sort of character development that goes beyond the very basic of NTR, then I'll watch or play it. For me it is just porn.

Now... I have to draw the line on violence, just plain abuse and breaking a character horribly. It's one thing to have the character just be like "yeah maybe I'll just have fun with this person on the side, and this one too, and that one, why not? My special someone is not giving me enough." There's a level acceptance within a clear mind: This character loved another but got dragged into the simplest, raw enjoyment of something wrong. That's something I can deal with.

Drugging and raping until they are so broken they don't fucking know what's happening? No, fuck no, that's just... no! Also part of why I really don't like mind control porn.
 

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Honestly, I do think that if NTR disappeared, that a bunch of these kink-shamers would disappear too, figuratively speaking. Sure, there's trolls and moral-fags or whatever they're called that'd just move on to another kink... But generally, those people already hit other objectionable fetishes if they feel like it. However, there's people that only go for NTR to an insane degree and just plain ignore other objectionable fetishes, as if NTR is somehow worse than rape, murder, identity death, vore and whatever other fetishes you want to put on this list that are genuinely insanely horrible.

As for people going ultra-sadist on social media about certain things. Well, tbh, I'd wish horrible things too towards an IRL rapist. Those people are utter scum and I genuinely believe they deserve to suffer. There's a massive difference between IRL crimes and purely fictional works though. If we treated fiction by the exact same standards as reality, we'd have to fine or imprison the makers of everything from GTA to Harry Potter.

At the end of the day, most people have some impulse or another that they restrain through reason. So it's entirely possible that some people will look for safe targets for their vitriol in social media and forums... though I'd personally recommend violent video-games. They're better than spewing crap at people on the Internet.

By that same token. It's possible that there's people that genuinely have issues separating fiction from reality, and there's more of them than one might expect...

Neither really explains "Why NTR and not some other fetish?" though. I definitely believe that rape in general is more objectionable than NTR in any form. Same with murder and thievery and other such things.
Overall I agree with you, to me it feels like people that used to hate on various fetishes before have like banded together to use ntr as the punching bag it's pretty funny. Like on the ai chatbot site, it's full of furry and other stuff that kinda used to be hated on more but no one's really going around saying to kill furries or transsexuwls over there. And the thing about morality - It's like the thing they dislike the most is that it happens to you, if it happens to someone else it's whatever :unsure: its completely fine to cheat rape whatever if it's you doing it. I've seen comments sometimes about removing agency being something that makes them angry. So that comes back to self inserting I guess. But yeah there's many factors at play for sure
 
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It's as simple as the self-insert thing. If you're the type who automatically self-inserts as the protagonist of a story, then you don't like a story where the protagonist is treated so cruelly.

Why is NTR more cruel than other porn? Because it's about your woman being stolen away. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this. "Why don't people like stories about their woman being stolen away??" people ask in every thread, like it's a mystery why NTR would cause such a reaction.

Also it's just sadistic more than anything else. I was following the SAO NTR game thread for a while, because I like the idea of high-quality Koikatsu animations of the SAO girls. But the story becomes absolutely insane with the amount of humiliation it piles on both Kirito and Asuna, and the victories of its worthless piece of shit OC. It convinced me that the game can't be fully enjoyed unless you genuinely hate either Kirito or Asuna, and you're just jerking off to their misery more than anything else. I have since left that thread and now I can only curse that game for wasting so much of my life on it...
 

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Why is NTR more cruel than other porn? Because it's about your woman being stolen away. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this. "Why don't people like stories about their woman being stolen away??" people ask in every thread, like it's a mystery why NTR would cause such a reaction.
I mean because it's not that simple.. theres porn with getting your dick cut off etc how's that not worse than getting your girl stolen? :LOL: I'm not trying to start a competition who can come up with a more disgusting thing. I understand why people don't like their girl getting stolen. I simply find it interesting that some guys tend to place ntr above rape, murder whatever. Personally I think there's worse things than being cheated on. Does that make sense? If the question was that simple as you're implying it really wouldn't be discussed in my opinion
 
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It's as simple as the self-insert thing. If you're the type who automatically self-inserts as the protagonist of a story, then you don't like a story where the protagonist is treated so cruelly.
This is it for me, if someone I was with engaged in this activity and was caught by me, we wouldn't be together anymore, the story would end for us right there.

Though that being said my real issue with NTR is sneaking NTR, let me explain. A game that has a lot of potential gets its first release or an early release, with no mention of NTR, or even explicitly stating there will be none. The dev later changes paths because of donations to the project, and sneaks in NTR content, whether optional or not. I am all for NTR existing, there is obviously a very vocal group who loves it, and they should get their cake too, but it sort of feels like just chasing coin when it's added to a project after the game has been developed for some time.

I think a project should have a clear focus from the beginning and stick to it, for me this argument is about quality, you start to dilute the quality of storytelling when you just try to appease people with fetishes just to "broaden" your market. I'd like to see more developers create smaller scale projects with more focused fetishes, rather then trying to make 10 year projects that are all scattershot.
 
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I think NTR games teaches you a lesson (mostly from the japanese NTR games) to not to be a sissy man, every male protagonist portrayed by these games seems to be somewhat allergic to women interactions or what they call vegetarian man, it is also a common trope to a lot of typical japanese male protagonists in anime. Every mc's on JP ntr games get cucked because they have a passive, soft and often have a pure personality when it comes to romance and interacting in women and because of that a man with more masculine characteristics gets to cuck the sissy mc's then corrupt their love girlfriend or love interest. These Mc's also show incompetentness and sometimes unreliable during conflicts often showing passive behavior when dealing with adversaries and during these adversities show the female lead the classic "whos the better man". I think it teaches men to not be like them and build themselves to become the best version of oneself to a possible degree so when in a same problematic situations happen you can stand your ground as a strong and dependable man.
 
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Though that being said my real issue with NTR is sneaking NTR, let me explain. A game that has a lot of potential gets its first release or an early release, with no mention of NTR, or even explicitly stating there will be none. The dev later changes paths because of donations to the project, and sneaks in NTR content, whether optional or not. I am all for NTR existing, there is obviously a very vocal group who loves it, and they should get their cake too, but it sort of feels like just chasing coin when it's added to a project after the game has been developed for some time.

I think a project should have a clear focus from the beginning and stick to it, for me this argument is about quality, you start to dilute the quality of storytelling when you just try to appease people with fetishes just to "broaden" your market.
I get what you're saying. That happens with the gay tag. There's an absurd number of games here that includes femboy/sissy content, which awards them the gay tag. I've seen gay players complaining about this (and let's not talk about how useless is to use the gay tag here, on F95, to find gay focused games), that they click on a game just to find 99.99% hetero content and just one or two scenes with a femboy/sissy. It came to a point that some of them directly rejects any femboy/sissification content at all.

I guess that you don't find funny to stumble across famboy/sissification scenes at all either.

And while true, maybe some devs chase the coin after certain kinks (as some years ago, when everyone included incest in some way or form in their games, even it made no sense at all), I offer you a counterpoint: Many of us have certain kinks, so we may want to have one or two scenes of said kink in our game. Making one dedicated game to THAT kink is not viable financially or have enough audience, so they choose to include 1 or 2 scenes of said kink into their game, because, eh, it's a kink of them but not as much as a fetish to obsess them about it. I would go fucking crazy trying to do focused game to every kink I have.

It happens with my game and the trans content. I have one scene (I'm thinking on adding another one) with a transexual man, which awarded me vaginat sex tag and the trans/futa useless tags. Do I want them? OF COURSE NOT, but due to how rules are here, I got those two dreaded tags. Gays aren't fond of seeing vaginas, even within a very masculine hairy and bearded guy, because, well, they're gays. What I did was, not only making it optional, but to warn the player in advance about it so they avoid it. While there are a few gays that "may" enjoy that content (like me) the vast majority won't.

Sometimes is not possible to have a list of what kinks may or may not appear at the initial launch. What devs should do, is to make better ways to warn players about the content and have methods of skipping it. That's my policy.

Now, if you want to sklp a game only for one or two X scenes, you're free to do so. It's not my way of thinking though, as long as it's avoidable and clear to avoid or not, I won't skip an otherwise enjoyable game just for one or two scenes.

This may apply to NTR, Gay, and any other divisive tag. In my personal opinion, at first I thought it was an interesting kink, but the more I went in, the more tasteless it became. So I gave up that idea, even though in my description I've said I would include it eventually. I won't. Someday I'll update that.
 

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I think NTR games teaches you a lesson (mostly from the japanese NTR games) to not to be a sissy man, every male protagonist portrayed by these games seems to be somewhat allergic to women interactions or what they call vegetarian man, it is also a common trope to a lot of typical japanese male protagonists in anime. Every mc's on JP ntr games get cucked because they have a passive, soft and often have a pure personality when it comes to romance and interacting in women and because of that a man with more masculine characteristics gets to cuck the sissy mc's then corrupt their love girlfriend or love interest. These Mc's also show incompetentness and sometimes unreliable during conflicts often showing passive behavior when dealing with adversaries and during these adversities show the female lead the classic "whos the better man". I think it teaches men to not be like them and build themselves to become the best version of oneself to a possible degree so when in a same problematic situations happen you can stand your ground as a strong and dependable man.
You really think so? Now this is just from a outside perspective, what I see from my friends or I see on the street. like my friends most of the time will just accept whatever their girlfriend tells them to, to put it simply. Like you mentioned the vegetarian thing, and it's so funny a friend of mines gf decided she'll be vegan one day and she made him be vegan too. Like I don't know your experience, but from what I see lots of guys in relationships are more like the passive protagonists you mention. I don't know what problematic situations and standing your ground you end up in but id say for the average person going to work and paying the bills is the main task and if you're doing that you don't have to be a tough guy or whatever. Being a strong and independent man sounds cool in the movies but in reality being a passive, reliable man is not undesirable to women at least that's what it looks like to me. Let me know what you think bro
 

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he meant this japanese thing
Hm, okay it's a little different then what I had in mind then, oh well, I hope my post still makes some sense. Like I thought he's talking just broadly about being passive vs masculine