where have all the good ones gone
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It is because people like me bury them with a lot of trash games, I take all the blame... Just do not hit me too hard, please!
- Aug 22, 2018
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I've found the opposite.
Games have improved vastly over the years.
I'm constantly finding new Japanese VN's to read and i've found some great games made by devs that dwell around here.
Then again I found some of those "popular" games from a few years back to be complete and utter dogshit so i've got no complaints .... except I want Princess Loren 2 releasing now.
Games have improved vastly over the years.
I'm constantly finding new Japanese VN's to read and i've found some great games made by devs that dwell around here.
Then again I found some of those "popular" games from a few years back to be complete and utter dogshit so i've got no complaints .... except I want Princess Loren 2 releasing now.
- Oct 3, 2017
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There are more good games now then there was years ago.
There is also a lot more bad games now.
So the good games are still here but finding them require's a lot of luck.
There is also a lot more bad games now.
So the good games are still here but finding them require's a lot of luck.
- May 19, 2017
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- Jun 24, 2018
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"Pokemon design sucks now, the older ones were much better"
"Cartoon shows sucks now, the older ones were much better"
"The Simpsons sucks now, the older ones were much better"
It's just more of the same thing.
"Cartoon shows sucks now, the older ones were much better"
"The Simpsons sucks now, the older ones were much better"
It's just more of the same thing.
- Oct 21, 2018
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didn't mean years ago...meant last year. A bunch of very good ones just vanished and ones with really strange story lines and the same hokey looking characters have been the norm lately. I keep waiting for the next release of the handful of ones that are interesting and well made.
- Oct 7, 2017
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Platforms rules have started to change for the past couple years.
Patreon , then steam who now allow uncensored eroge.
Then there is the hype factor that followed.
-> "People make money with porn games"
-> "Porn games who make the most money are these games with this kind of plot and this kind of graphics".
-> "Making porn games doesn't look so hard".
-> "I'll try to do the same".
They basically try to catch that express train to what appear to be easy money, "the sooner the better so I get a head start".
And sadly, going too fast require to cut corner, either story, graphics, gameplay.
Turning "making adult games as a hobby, because it's fun and I like it" which also managed to earn enough to make it a real job.
To "Let's make money with an adult game".
Same thing for japanese game (mostly rpgm games), there are countless "copy paste" type games, with always the same system, changing the story, names of characters and art and publish on dlsite.
Patreon , then steam who now allow uncensored eroge.
Then there is the hype factor that followed.
-> "People make money with porn games"
-> "Porn games who make the most money are these games with this kind of plot and this kind of graphics".
-> "Making porn games doesn't look so hard".
-> "I'll try to do the same".
They basically try to catch that express train to what appear to be easy money, "the sooner the better so I get a head start".
And sadly, going too fast require to cut corner, either story, graphics, gameplay.
Turning "making adult games as a hobby, because it's fun and I like it" which also managed to earn enough to make it a real job.
To "Let's make money with an adult game".
Same thing for japanese game (mostly rpgm games), there are countless "copy paste" type games, with always the same system, changing the story, names of characters and art and publish on dlsite.
- Sep 18, 2017
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The first ~8-10 Seasons of the Simpsons were great, after that they killed it off.
Its really the patreon scam that's hurting games, people have seen how much crap people put up with and still donate.
It is a really poor way to develop and produce a product because there is very little consumer protection, and dose not really motivate the creator to be professional and productive.
The Modus operandi of most devs : hook em in and drag it out for as long as possible sprinkle some excuse's ie health, family etc liberally.
It is a really poor way to develop and produce a product because there is very little consumer protection, and dose not really motivate the creator to be professional and productive.
The Modus operandi of most devs : hook em in and drag it out for as long as possible sprinkle some excuse's ie health, family etc liberally.
- Jun 24, 2018
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I think you're toootaly missing something here:
1) Do you realize that without that thing that you called "patreon scam" not even half of your favorite games would even exist? It's stupid how people blame the fact of making money with something, because I'm sure you spent your free time playing/watching Baseball/Basket/(American) Football/Fornite/League of Legends/DOTA/whatever sport/e-sport you like and you and the others millions of people doing the exact same thing would be doing it right now even if those things didn't have big companies moving huge amounts of money behind scenes.
2) You don't need consumer protection because you aren't consuming anything in Patreon. Patreon isn't a place where you go and buy adult games, you're voluntarily choosing to support them because you think their job is worthy. If you think that a dev's game isn't worthy anymore then you just stop your support, and if you think that others are supporting a crappy dev then it's their chooice.
(1)No i dont support the free game scam either never have never will, they are exploitative marketing models that exploit and encourage addiction. Sports have sponsors, advertising, merchandise etc they so they dont need a patreon account and they are apart of the free market and operate as businesses. Same with dota, league etc and all make huge profits so meh.
(2) So you don't support a creator because you like to consume what they create? Because you are a good hearted individual that believes in someone else's dream and want nothing in return? Its almost a monthly ransom that takes advantage of gullible and vulnerable people. Yes of course if you dont like it you dont have to support, but how do we motivate developers to step up their game when foolish people will support them no matter what? That is my major issue how do you motivate improvement when you can get payed for mediocrity.
(2) So you don't support a creator because you like to consume what they create? Because you are a good hearted individual that believes in someone else's dream and want nothing in return? Its almost a monthly ransom that takes advantage of gullible and vulnerable people. Yes of course if you dont like it you dont have to support, but how do we motivate developers to step up their game when foolish people will support them no matter what? That is my major issue how do you motivate improvement when you can get payed for mediocrity.
I honestly dont think anything on this site is actually worth paying for hence why i am here, so i may just be a asshole theif lol
- Jun 24, 2018
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1) Sports have sponsors, advertising, merchandise. What those things do? Sell products. What do you do? Buy those products. It's the exact same thing, you're giving money to those sponsors/advertising so them will give the money to that sport/e-sport team. The big difference here is that you can voluntarily choose to support a dev or not with money but if you don't want to support those sport/e-sport teams you should pretty much hunt and cultivate you own food.
2) I like to consume what they do but I'm not consuming it because I supported them on Patreon because I'm not buying anything in Patreon. If I support a dev on Patreon is because 1)I think his job is worthy and/or 2) I would like him to spend more time working on his game. My 5$ aren't buying his game or his time. You can look every nook and cranny in Patreon and you'll never find something about buying anything in that platform. If he reduces the quality of his work or get slower with updates, he is 100% free to do it because we never signed a contract where we agreed to exchange money for work. He is free to do whatever he wants in the exact same way that I'm free to stop supporting him if I don't agree with whatever he decided to do.
And when you ask "how do we motivate developers to step up their game when foolish people will support them no matter what?" it's super easy. Someone with more talent will eventually do a better game and those who are supporting crappy devs will notice the difference and stop supporting those low quality games and support the new better game. Or maybe those low quality games you mention aren't so low quality and that's why they are getting what they get.
- Oct 7, 2017
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Right, music, movies and regular video games are the same, right ? Why pay these shits when you can get them for free on pirates site ! And all of them that are lower quality should also be given for free !
That was sarcasm btw.
F95 is a community forum, first goal is sharing and promoting adult games no matter if made by professional company, amateur devs, or from foreign country.
Most creators are member here and are okay with this sharing, after all it's also a free advertising for them.
The thing is, supporting a creator is for anybody to choose, some like what they get here, and don't mind giving a buck, or five a month to a dev if it can help him keeping the project going.
Nobody will judge anybody else if they give, or choose not to give.
But saying it's not worth paying for... it's on the same level as saying web artist can be payed with "exposure" and that they should be happy their arts are shared for free...
F95 allow you to get these products for free, don't go trash-talking them so hard afterward.
I know we're on internet, everybody is happy hidden behind his screen, saying whatever they want without consequences like a humiliating slap to close the mouth they shouldn't have opened, and they love it.
But try to at least be a decent human being and not, like you said yourself, an asshole.
Free speech lads. I can criticize whatever i like, express frustrations with whatever i like. Yes i also reserve the right as a free market consumer to criticize products how they are developed and how they are marketed.
Art is subjective and open to individual interpretation and if i as an individual decide that a product or a piece of art song, game etc is not worth paying for i will express that.
That asshole comment was not serious, i do honestly think most art has very little monetary value and i don't believe that i am being an asshole in saying that. Should people be payed for the time they spend on something? Yes and no it all depends on are you delivering what i requested as a service or product or what you advertised, that's the free market do not see why that should not applied here. Oh wait because most games arnt viable products financially or would be illegal to sell on a open market. So hence i see them as having very little monetary value.
Art is subjective and open to individual interpretation and if i as an individual decide that a product or a piece of art song, game etc is not worth paying for i will express that.
That asshole comment was not serious, i do honestly think most art has very little monetary value and i don't believe that i am being an asshole in saying that. Should people be payed for the time they spend on something? Yes and no it all depends on are you delivering what i requested as a service or product or what you advertised, that's the free market do not see why that should not applied here. Oh wait because most games arnt viable products financially or would be illegal to sell on a open market. So hence i see them as having very little monetary value.
- Aug 3, 2017
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It's your opinion that they are mediocre, in my opinion many games here are very high quality. You also seem to ignore the fact that creators, like those who make dota, lol etc would like to have people come back to purchase their new products as well as have new people find out about them and become new customers.
they need a place to work, phone lines, internet, software licenses, cash to pay staff, hardware etc and after their project is finished they still need to maintain the product with patches and bug fixes and then they have to start their next project which will cost more. So they need to make a profit to stay in business.
Alot of people forget that it takes money to make these games, to make dota or a porn game takes money, time and resources. Your point of view seems alot like the view people have for free to play games and their microtransactions, yes the game is free to play but the company still has to pay for servers, staff, internet, work space etc. how is the company supposed to pay for all that if they don't make money?
at the end of the day just because you don't eat sushi doesn't mean it's ok to call people "gullible and vulnerable" for investing in a new sushi restaurant.
- Jun 24, 2018
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Sure, you're free to like, hate and criticize whatever you want. That doesn't make you be or look any better or smarter than others because at the end of the day you are just, as you mentioned, another asshole ranting for something you get for free while giving the dev nothing in return. But sure, you're free to express how low effort those games are and the low value they have for you. You're free to do that in the exact same way I (and everyone else) can express how dumb your opinion is and how little value your point of view has, because I'm getting your opinion for free as well so it applies too, at least it does if I follow your own logic.
It really make me curious when you said "it all depends on are you delivering what i requested", so what? Do you expect a dev to work only in a game with the things you want/request and nothing else matters? Do you think that your requests are the only ones that worths any amount of money? Because it's not like there is a public requesting a specific game either. A dev has an idea and he does it, and that's it. If you like the game you can play it and if you don't like it you can ignore it. If you think that game worths any support you can support it, and if you don't think its worthy or you can't spend money on it you can keep playing without spending a cent on it.
- Oct 7, 2017
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My bad, sorry, I forgot to add "It's my opinion and I'm free to share it in any way and form I want" as an additional excuse to my "hidden behind a screen" line ^^'
But I'm not surprised as I kinda expected you to say something similar, everybody being taken on his words say it at some point.
I won't go back on the art part or how a single piece of art, even from "not so well know" web artist, if used correctly can give birth to millions, because it seems "in my opinion" that your knowledge on that part is lacking and you only base your reasoning on "personal opinion" as well.
as for judging the monetary value of something, or even talking about how internet markets like steam can be called "open"... I'm sure more qualified people than us are taking care of it.