Why is Netorare so common and Netori so rare?

[woody554]

They're both right for themselves. The fact that they're contradicting each other just adds a little comedy to the whole conversation. The problem is that for every single individual the answer changes even more.

I'm not an ntr fan. I just know what it is and I didn't learn my japanese from a 4chan meme like every weeaboo insisting on using words they don't understand.

 

[desmosome]

Because there is no netori tag lol.

More specifically, netori is marketed towards the harem crowd. As long as they don't show the girl having sex with her loser husband/boyfriend, these people enjoy the power fantasy or "revenge mentality" of getting to be the perpetrator of the ntr they hate so much when subjected to "them." As such, netori is very rarely the focus. It's usually a LI or two that have impotent/asshole husbands that you steal from, justified so that even harem players that are queasy about immorality can feel better about saving the girl from her abusive guy. It's a very safe and inoffensive approach that adds a little bit of thrill to the vanilla harem by introducing an extra layer (kinda like incest being added to typical harem set up). In most cases, there isn't much focus on corruption or the implications of stealing a woman other than the very surface level stuff.

This kind of netori is pretty common, but it's generally not marketed under the "NTR" umbrella, even though netori is technically in that category. NTR fans typically find this kind of story not much different than any other harem game.

However, there are netori games that do appeal to the average netorare fans. Corruption has to be the main theme. In essence, if the MC is truly a netorare antagonist rather than a harem protagonist, a lot of netorare fans will feel right at home. It's basically the same story just with a slightly more focus on the antagonist rather than the cuck perspective, with the female corruption arc preserved. As expected, we only really see this kind of netori from Japanese devs. Black Lilith stands out with Prison Battleship, Ochiru Hitozuma, among others in their line up of VNs. BISHOP, Lune, and other studios that do corruption have stuff as well, AFAIK.

In truth, whether it's netorare, netori, or straight forward female protagonist corruption games, there is a large base of netorare fans that are really in it for the female corruption. So why the apparent discrepancy? It seems like there are much more netorare than netori. Because devs try to capture the broader audience.

1. While many netorare fans are fine playing corruption based netori, there is still a significant portion that play it more for the cuckiness rather than the female corruption. Might as well capture that group by going with netorare genre rather than netori.
2. Conversely, while many harem/power fantasy players might even enjoy playing an asshole (netorare antagonist kind of person) as long as he is the MC, there is a significant group that doesn't feel so good playing such a shithead. So might as well capture the broader harem base by making MC a decent guy and toning down the depravity/corruption/moral degeneration of the stealing. It usually just blends into the harem genre and flies under the radar of "netori."

 

[obibobi]

You're balls deep in denial.

People who don't have that kind insecurity *cannot* enjoy NTR, simply because they won't be able to relate to it.

In fact, the simple fact that they learned to enjoy it is a coping mechanism on their part. Learning to enjoy the pain of your partner being stolen is something that only makes sense to a person whose outlook is dominated by fear and feelings of inferiority.

It's really nothing but an emotional kind of masochism. Just because you enjoy the pain doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt - and you are in fact enjoying it because it hurts. It wouldn't get you off if it didn't hit you right in the metaphorical balls.

And mind you, I've enjoyed NTR a lot more than most people. I'm no stranger to this mindset.

That, and you're also ignoring my secondary observation that netori (id est, the protagonist stealing other peoples' partners) is not nearly as popular on its own, simply because the porn-consuming audience mainly consists of dudes who will never be able to relate to that. Because again, this audience chiefly consist of dudes who have very real trouble getting sex, and whose outlook is marked by fear and insecurity rather than confidence.

You're half right but this idea of why it's not popular, you might be projecting too much here.

Fantasies of being the hero and getting the girl have been a thing since forever, 13 year olds have been fantasizing about being Sir Chadsalot who defeats the evil and gets the busty maiden have been fantasies since they could be told and you can hardly say 13 year olds would have worldly experience. Batman, Geralt, Gojo, people love the chads.

Almost everyone who is cast or drawn to be the self insert of women the world over is pretty. Emma Watson is not what the average woman looks like and yet girls and grown women imagined what it would be like to be her at Hogwarts.

People can relate, they can empathize, they can project.

As has been pointed out by myself and others, NTR stands out more because it doesn't mix well with others netori or simply cheating, does.

As for why people like NTR, yours is one reason, there's also simple too much porn needing for an increasing need for messed up scenarios to get turned on, then of course there's trolling and hate or racial fetish, NTR is a very easy way to troll, people where paying to have it made to troll fans of things and then you had General Butch an anti-white racist who made it.

 

[Zelerix]

Because there is no netori tag lol.

More specifically, netori is marketed towards the harem crowd. As long as they don't show the girl having sex with her loser husband/boyfriend, these people enjoy the power fantasy or "revenge mentality" of getting to be the perpetrator of the ntr they hate so much when subjected to "them." As such, netori is very rarely the focus. It's usually a LI or two that have impotent/asshole husbands that you steal from, justified so that even harem players that are queasy about immorality can feel better about saving the girl from her abusive guy. It's a very safe and inoffensive approach that adds a little bit of thrill to the vanilla harem by introducing an extra layer (kinda like incest being added to typical harem set up). In most cases, there isn't much focus on corruption or the implications of stealing a woman other than the very surface level stuff.

This kind of netori is pretty common, but it's generally not marketed under the "NTR" umbrella, even though netori is technically in that category. NTR fans typically find this kind of story not much different than any other harem game.

However, there are netori games that do appeal to the average netorare fans. Corruption has to be the main theme. In essence, if the MC is truly a netorare antagonist rather than a harem protagonist, a lot of netorare fans will feel right at home. It's basically the same story just with a slightly more focus on the antagonist rather than the cuck perspective, with the female corruption arc preserved. As expected, we only really see this kind of netori from Japanese devs. Black Lilith stands out with Prison Battleship, Ochiru Hitozuma, among others in their line up of VNs. BISHOP, Lune, and other studios that do corruption have stuff as well, AFAIK.

In truth, whether it's netorare, netori, or straight forward female protagonist corruption games, there is a large base of netorare fans that are really in it for the female corruption. So why the apparent discrepancy? It seems like there are much more netorare than netori. Because devs try to capture the broader audience.

1. While many netorare fans are fine playing corruption based netori, there is still a significant portion that play it more for the cuckiness rather than the female corruption. Might as well capture that group by going with netorare genre rather than netori.
2. Conversely, while many harem/power fantasy players might even enjoy playing an asshole (netorare antagonist kind of person) as long as he is the MC, there is a significant group that doesn't feel so good playing such a shithead. So might as well capture the broader harem base by making MC a decent guy and toning down the depravity/corruption/moral degeneration of the stealing. It usually just blends into the harem genre and flies under the radar of "netori."

Idk about all that.. I just like to emotionally torture the husband regardless if he's a good husband or not. Theres no need for justification, theres no need for him to be aware of it or accept it. He needs to be upset with his wife being taken. Also harem games just have extra LI that get in the way of the netori, the best netori games have single LI. Its purely sadistic, the ones that look for justification should go back to the cuck energy of netorare.

 

[seifukulover]

It's usually a LI or two that have impotent/asshole husbands that you steal from, justified so that even harem players that are queasy about immorality can feel better about saving the girl from her abusive guy.

I think this is the key. Netori is about making the player a hero, doing good things, saving the girl from the 'villain'. In other words, it's just like any other power fantasy. So there's nothing particularly kinky or exciting about it.

Netorare is about "you are a loser, feel bad about it" and that's a much kinkier thing that only applies to certain people. I think people are more likely to make games about kinky or unusual things. So netorare games are more common because it's kinkier.

 

[Saerwen]

You're half right but this idea of why it's not popular, you might be projecting too much here.

Fantasies of being the hero and getting the girl have been a thing since forever, 13 year olds have been fantasizing about being Sir Chadsalot who defeats the evil and gets the busty maiden have been fantasies since they could be told and you can hardly say 13 year olds would have worldly experience. Batman, Geralt, Gojo, people love the chads.

Almost everyone who is cast or drawn to be the self insert of women the world over is pretty. Emma Watson is not what the average woman looks like and yet girls and grown women imagined what it would be like to be her at Hogwarts.

People can relate, they can empathize, they can project.

As has been pointed out by myself and others, NTR stands out more because it doesn't mix well with others netori or simply cheating, does.

As for why people like NTR, yours is one reason, there's also simple too much porn needing for an increasing need for messed up scenarios to get turned on, then of course there's trolling and hate or racial fetish, NTR is a very easy way to troll, people where paying to have it made to troll fans of things and then you had General Butch an anti-white racist who made it.

This. James Bond is an icon for a reason since he's an idol to many men. No man wants to be a loser whose women are stolen from him every time. Saying NTR is popular more than Netori is absurd. I feel like those who fetishize cheating are cheaters themselves.

 

[lfgals1]

As someone who has played and enjoyed most of the well known Netori games, I don't really consider myself a Netori fan. I'm a fan of playing a dude who corrupts women. The cuck only matters in so far as he gives the woman a reason to resist the corruption.

I can get a similar hit from a son convincing his mom to suck his dick or a boss convincing his secretary to give him her panties first thing each morning. The specifics of the barrier is just windows dressing.

I don't think that there are a lot of dudes whose kink revolves around the cuck.

 

[eaudecologne]

This. James Bond is an icon for a reason since he's an idol to many men. No man wants to be a loser whose women are stolen from him every time. Saying NTR is popular more than Netori is absurd. I feel like those who fetishize cheating are cheaters themselves.

Okay, if I understand you correctly, people who fetishize cheating are cheaters, but both ntr and netori do that... Sooo is this just you saying men bad(cheaters)?

 

[Icarus Media]

To cuck someone, someone must be cucked.
To have someone be cucked, someone must be cuckolding.

One cannot exist without the other. By enabling and pursuing one, you are also enabling and creating the other.

 

[MissCougar]

This. James Bond is an icon for a reason since he's an idol to many men. No man wants to be a loser whose women are stolen from him every time. Saying NTR is popular more than Netori is absurd. I feel like those who fetishize cheating are cheaters themselves.

I can see this kind of. I think instead of having a valuable relationship, they can go out and shoot some guys, and the girls will go crazy for it. This is like a lot of action movie relationships.

Guys are very action oriented, and I bet many would rather defeat a dragon rather than say, help take out the trash or help with laundry or have a deep conversation that lasts more than 30 seconds.

 

[eaudecologne]

I can see this kind of. I think instead of having a valuable relationship, they can go out and shoot some guys, and the girls will go crazy for it. This is like a lot of action movie relationships.

Guys are very action oriented, and I bet many would rather defeat a dragon rather than say, help take out the trash or help with laundry or have a deep conversation that lasts more than 30 seconds.

Many guys would absolutely love to have a deep conversation and can put laundry in the washing machine without wanting a medal for it but most women are capable of only fantasizing about 8ft beastmen impregnating them or being kidnapped and raped by a billionaire vampire misogynist or their 2nd favourite topic - making little back handed comments generalising about men bad! haha is this doing it for you?

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

Guys are very action oriented, and I bet many would rather defeat a dragon rather than say, help take out the trash or help with laundry or have a deep conversation that lasts more than 30 seconds.

Meanwhile the top selling romance porn for women on amazon isn't about a sweet caring guy. It's about being bred by a billionare monster with a huge dick. I don't even need to open amazon to say that. It's a constant, like Planck length, the only thing that changes is the flavor of monster, sometimes it's literal, sometimes figurative, sometimes both. Something to consider

 

[Saerwen]

I can see this kind of. I think instead of having a valuable relationship, they can go out and shoot some guys, and the girls will go crazy for it. This is like a lot of action movie relationships.

Guys are very action oriented, and I bet many would rather defeat a dragon rather than say, help take out the trash or help with laundry or have a deep conversation that lasts more than 30 seconds.

Fuck James Bond. A brave knight saving you from being eaten by a dragon is a bigger turn on.

 

[MissCougar]

Many guys would absolutely love to have a deep conversation and can put laundry in the washing machine without wanting a medal for it but most women are capable of only fantasizing about 8ft beastmen impregnating them or being kidnapped and raped by a billionaire vampire misogynist or their 2nd favourite topic - making little back handed comments generalising about men bad! haha is this doing it for you?

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Meanwhile the top selling romance porn for women on amazon isn't about a sweet caring guy. It's about being bred by a billionare monster with a huge dick. I don't even need to open amazon to say that. It's a constant, like Planck length, the only thing that changes is the flavor of monster, sometimes it's literal, sometimes figurative, sometimes both. Something to consider

So I think it's funny because I already knew about all that, and the deviant women, and the porn addiction hypocrisy via books. I talk about it often here too, where im trying to assume at some point more women will show up to the video game porn side because they are already neck deep in the book porn side, but there's no need because for every one game that barely makes it out as another phone AI NTR game, 10 books about fantastic beasts and the poor struggling woman fighting against all odds of debt or social problems is written.

There's no need to infect gaming because there's so many books, typically written better, with more female authors, hitting topics most games can't even wrap their head around.

The rest of society (Ie: men) are starting to wake up and realizing they aren't the only ones suffering a crippling porn addiction or liking deviant things. It's just extra funny the people shaking their fingers at them for playing a video game with a scantily clad lass in it, or actually just watching porn, are the same women secretly or not so secretly reading about werewolves and vampires and fairies and beasts bukake creaming entire villages of women while shoving their animal dicks into their wombs.

Not to say this is all women, because it's obviously not. But it's also not all men either. Just don't be throwing stones from inside your glass house.

And if you don't hurt anyone or yourself and you still do normal life stuff and are successful, go enjoy what you enjoy. It's not like you're going to have a second chance to live again. Do what you want to do while you can and have fun.

Fuck James Bond. A brave knight saving you from being eaten by a dragon is a bigger turn on.

Im in need of more dragons in the world. And tentacles. Severe lack of both of those I feel causes all the worlds problems.

 

[Saerwen]

So I think it's funny because I already knew about all that, and the deviant women, and the porn addiction hypocrisy via books. I talk about it often here too, where im trying to assume at some point more women will show up to the video game porn side because they are already neck deep in the book porn side, but there's no need because for every one game that barely makes it out as another phone AI NTR game, 10 books about fantastic beasts and the poor struggling woman fighting against all odds of debt or social problems is written.

There's no need to infect gaming because there's so many books, typically written better, with more female authors, hitting topics most games can't even wrap their head around.

The rest of society (Ie: men) are starting to wake up and realizing they aren't the only ones suffering a crippling porn addiction or liking deviant things. It's just extra funny the people shaking their fingers at them for playing a video game with a scantily clad lass in it, or actually just watching porn, are the same women secretly or not so secretly reading about werewolves and vampires and fairies and beasts bukake creaming entire villages of women while shoving their animal dicks into their wombs.

Not to say this is all women, because it's obviously not. But it's also not all men either. Just don't be throwing stones from inside your glass house.

And if you don't hurt anyone or yourself and you still do normal life stuff and are successful, go enjoy what you enjoy. It's not like you're going to have a second chance to live again. Do what you want to do while you can and have fun.




Im in need of more dragons in the world. And tentacles. Severe lack of both of those I feel causes all the worlds problems.

Well written sex scenes in porn games made by male Devs are so rare. Writing isn't their forte and to think they should be knowledgeable about relationships, women and sex proves me wrong when I play some of them. It's like they are made by teenage boys and not an adult men. Straight porn in general is the worst.

 

[MissCougar]

Well written sex scenes in porn games made by male Devs are so rare. Writing isn't their forte and to think they should be knowledgeable about relationships, women and sex proves me wrong when I play some of them. It's like they are made by teenage boys and not an adult men. Straight porn in general is the worst.

Are you implying that multiple pages of "ahhh" and "uh uh uh!" aren't doing it for you?

This is peak prose when combined with art that also reflects how the makers do not understand basic sexual biology and how different pieces connect and can be connected into or the placement. Clit peeing is a popular one I am fond of.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Are you implying that multiple pages of "ahhh" and "uh uh uh!" aren't doing it for you?

I very much prefer that to my aunt's smut novels. Hell, some of the lines I write set off my own internal cringe filter.

 

[eaudecologne]

Modern women go 5 minutes without mentioning their genitals challenge: Impossible

Straight porn in general is the worst.

Seems you're better suited for gay porn

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Modern women go 5 minutes without mentioning their genitals challenge: Impossible

Well, now I have to make a dick joke. Uh...

I tried to upload a dick pic, but the file size was too big.

 

[Saerwen]

Well, now I have to make a dick joke. Uh...

I tried to upload a dick pic, but the file size was too big.

I like it!