Why no incest in mainstream porn?

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Maybe it's a stupid question, but does anyone know why (mainly American) mainstream porn is so scared of incest?

Although it's clearly a popular fetish in mainstream porn, it's always step- or some other bullshit.
Of course this makes casting easier, since the actors don't have to look like each other :rolleyes:

One argument is that it's illegal, but then you could just produce the content in a state / country where it is legal.
And most likely it would be role-playing anyway.

And regarding legality, I just read this on Wikipedia: "Many states also apply incest laws to non-blood relations, including stepparents, stepsiblings, in-laws and people related through adoption. " So step-something is not always an escape.
 

jamdan

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There is a lot of incest roleplay in mainstream porn.

I mean, whether they call it step- or not the people in the porn aren't related either way. They aren't going to get real family members to have sex with each other if thats where you're getting at. So it seems this is more of a word usage thing that a "real incest" thing, and its also a money thing I would assume. A lot of the porn studios do business with companies that dont allow incest (credit card companies etc.) kind of like Patreon and devs, so they use "step" to get around it I guess.
 

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I would guess someone thought about it and decided going full incest was not worth the risk of losing their credit card, payment processor and bank associates.

Also, it's very possible that step-cest has more average appeal that incest, ie, it doesn't appeal to incest people as much but turns off less of the general public.
 

tomcire

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It is popular in US.
I still don't get why, I don't get the appeal of it.
Maybe has something to do with being only child or American television.
 
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There are different angles from which one can answer your question. Given that most of the replies before mine mainly deal with credit card companies' policies, I'd like to offer an explanation from a legal standpoint. I'll try to keep it brief, so as to not bore you with all the "legalese." :LOL:

As you initially stated, let's focus on American laws.
Generally, porn is protected "free speech" under the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
Of course, there are certain forms of "speech" that are not protected under the 1st Am., such as speech that is likely to incite criminal activity, libel, "true threats," and obscenity.
You'll notice that I put "obscenity" in bold because that's where our focus lies in this discussion.

Now, what qualifies as "obscene?"
Because we tend to reach for the top shelf in our day-to-day conversations, words such as these lose their true meaning.
Generally, something is obscene if it is "distasteful, offensive, and/or sexually explicit."
Next, what qualifies as "distasteful, offensive, and/or sexually explicit?"
Well, for that we must turn to the 3-part test that was set forth in Miller v. California.
Under that test, visual works, taken as a whole, are considered obscene when they:
1) appeal to the prurient interest in sex;
2) portray sex acts in a patently offensive way; and
3) lack any serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

Keep in mind that all three steps must be satisfied in order for something to be deemed obscene.
However, your question primarily focuses on the first step; prurient interests in sex.
Categories that usually fall under prurient interests are those that are shameful or morbid.
This is where incest comes in. I'm sure that we can all agree that, in real life, mothers having sex with their sons or fathers having sex with their daughters, etc., would be pretty darn shameful. How would you feel if you found out that your dad was having sex with your sister? You'd be ashamed and/or angry, right?
How would your neighbors/community see you and your family if they found out that you were having sex with your mother? They'd be disgusted, no? The whole affair would be morbid.
Yes, American society is hypocritical because we portray ourselves in a certain way to the outside world, but behind closed doors, we allow our true selves to come out, which includes our "primal" instincts; i.e., fucking anything that moves, even if it includes our own family members.

So while "step-cest" is the primary way in which big companies like Brazzers and Naughty America get around the "obscenity" of incest, that doesn't mean that those same companies bring the genre to the forefront. If you look closely, they market their scenes as pure sex. If you want to look at step-cest, you have to do some digging around on their site. The stuff is there, but they do a good job of mixing it into the sea of other scenes they make so as to not attract the ire of good 'ol American family values. :LOL:

As such, this is why incest porn is not MARKETED as much as it is watched. In other words, incest is very mainstream, but we just don't like to admit it.
 

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Yes, American society is hypocritical because we portray ourselves in a certain way to the outside world, but behind closed doors, we allow our true selves to come out, which includes our "primal" instincts; i.e., fucking anything that moves, even if it includes our own family members.
Is it really though? Can you elaborate more on this quoted topic?
 

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This step-thing is considered incest and scandalous only in the USA I suppose. It sounds ridiculous to me. For example in Spain there has been in the recent years a very successful mainstream TV series for families, Los Serrano, (remade as in Italy and with other names in many other countries) where both male brothers have sex (and a baby) with their step-sisters and there was no scandal from anyone. I repeat: successful family fiction. The step-thing is simply not considered incest at all, they are not blood related.

We had many famous erotic films in Europe (mostly made in the 70's but still currently aired on prime time TV channels) where there is all kind of (real) incest.
I think there is more censorship in the USA than other developed country regarding sex and erotica, despite the fact that they are probably the biggest producer of professional porn. This censorship is due to the fact that most of the US population claims to be very religious. So they must publicly react if something "forbidden" is created, otherwise the other people could suspect his/her morality.
 

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It's all over pornhub, youporn, etc. Obviously actual incest would be illegal in most jurisdictions, but the portrayal of simulated incest certainly isn't banned everywhere. I mean, "Spanking the Monkey" didn't get pulled from theaters...
 

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The Taboo film series would say otherwise. But I am old and remember this being taboo back in the late 70's early 80's. There are only 23 films in the series from 1980 to 2007. Someone is buying this stuff.
 

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The Taboo film series would say otherwise. But I am old and remember this being taboo back in the late 70's early 80's. There are only 23 films in the series from 1980 to 2007. Someone is buying this stuff.
Around half of the videos on porn sites under the categories of "MILF" or "Mature" are incest scenarios, either explicitly mother-son or step-relations. And sometimes the mother-son vids are "relabeled" step- because I suppose of concerns about legalities. But there's plenty of sites which specifically cater to the fetish.
 
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Of course, there are certain forms of "speech" that are not protected under the 1st Am., such as speech that is likely to incite criminal activity, libel, "true threats," and obscenity.

Generally, something is obscene if it is "distasteful, offensive, and/or sexually explicit."

good 'ol American family values. :LOL:
Great post but that's fucked up mate...

I'm not from the USA but from Northern Europe, but to me it seems that:
1) every kind of porn beyond what is shown in main stream TV series such as Rome or GOT is pretty obscene.
2) "porn" and "family values" seem contradictory...

They aren't going to get real family members to have sex with each other if thats where you're getting at.
That generally depends on how much they pay.
Apparently there are also guys who are not gay but still take it up the ass because of the money...
And there are some twins in porn. Somehow that's not illegal apparently...
 
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Also, it's very possible that step-cest has more average appeal that incest, ie, it doesn't appeal to incest people as much but turns off less of the general public.
And there's many reasons for this :
  1. It's the taboo without the taboo. You look at you step-parent as your second mother/father, and at your step-sibling as your sibling, which is the taboo part, but outside of your near surrounding (family and neighborhood) they are people unrelated to you.
  2. When you enter puberty and Oedipus complex hit you hard, this young bitch your father remarry look so good to fuck.
  3. If you dislike your father, what better revenge that fucking his second wife ?
  4. And when it's you step-related that you hate (not all family have happy relation), you want to take revenge directly.


1) every kind of porn beyond what is shown in main stream TV series such as Rome or GOT is pretty obscene.
Generally it's intended to be obscene. In such series, the incest isn't free sex, it's here to depict how loose morality is supposed to be at those time. And the best way to depict this is to picture characters that give to their lust without filter, so who can have barbarous sex even with their relatives.
And like it's the way incest is used in mainstream books/movies, the way it's depicted in the US media, and the way it's perceived by a big part of the US citizens (incest is for those redneck of Alabama, not for the civilized part of the country), an US based company can't go against this.
I mean, you said that you're from North Europe, so you probably live in an open minded country. You have the freedom of mind, as long as you don't goes against the Law. In the US they have another kind of freedom, the freedom of act... as long as it don't go against morality and the country ; you can openly promote white supremacy, but don't kneel during the national anthem if you're not ready to be trashed by half of the country.
[note: The following is obviously cartoonish, not all the USA is like that. But is there a single US citizen who don't have at least a relative, neighbor or coworker like this ?]
Therefore, rape depiction isn't a problem ; she was asking for it after all. Gang bang isn't a problem either ; she's a slut, but don't worry, they'll do their best to help her find God. Rough anal BDSM play, it's still not a problem ; those satanists can't win when so many good believers go to the church every week. But incest... No, seriously, you can't let people think that the USA is a land of barbarous, it's not patriotic.
 
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dude, JAV is filled with these,
and they are as cheep/over-used as the pizza delivery plot.
 

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There's so much incest porn around in the US that even Japan is starting to break out in a cold sweat as they realize their lead is slipping.
 
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Pretty much Incest in porn has a disclaimer stating the actors are not really related. Also that both parties are over the age of 18. The reason for this is to make it legal and more palatable for some viewers. If you find an incestuous relationship in mainstream media you find no such disclaimers. I recently watched the Movie Boudica Warrior Queen 2003 in which Nero has sex with his mother Julianna well before his reign as Emperor this would make him a 15 YO. The actor playing Nero, Andrew Lee Potts, was quite young looking, had this been in a porn game all kinds of disclaimers would be needed, but since it was a Non Rated Mainstream Movie it had none of disclaimers. Children can watch Frances Barber get Plowed by Potts the same as they can watch GoofTroop.
 

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Yes, American society is hypocritical because we portray ourselves in a certain way to the outside world, but behind closed doors, we allow our true selves to come out, which includes our "primal" instincts; i.e., fucking anything that moves, even if it includes our own family members.
That..I don't think the majority of people in America are smashing their relatives or only not doing it because of the optics, guy, this thing about "primal" instincts aside. That's a mighty strange take. I hope hope hope anyway. The fetish is super mainstream, too, as of late especially. Even here on this site scrolling through the tags "incest" is in most of the straight theme games, and many of them that don't include incest, you better believe people are in the threads begging for it to be included. I'd like to think that it's only a fantasy, though--seeing someone else blowing out their relatives, and not that it's because they're wanting to go at someone in their own family irl and are being stopped only by what society might think.