Why so much?

[Azi VonVeil]

i am genuinely curious as to why thee is so much rape in porn games? and im talking about all types of rape, the soft rape of things like blackmail and coercion, the "she enjoyed it so its not rape" and the hard rape of the girl kicking and screaming and trying to fight off her attacker.....
im not trying to shame anyone, or pass judgment, i just want to know why there is just SOOOOO much rape in porn games....
like out of all the games i have played on this site alone about 70% of them have had some form of rape, and thats not to mention all the games i simply didn't download as the it was described as a "rape simulator"...
again no judgement ...just curious

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

Why do so many movies have crime? Because fiction is a place to explore themes you wouldn't IRL.

 

[jaxxon152]

I think it has to do with being in control and dominating another person and forcing submission.
It's very common but most of the time people don't bother to point it out unless it's hardcore.

 

[Azi VonVeil]

yes i get that but why is there SOOO much in porn games than other media? you goto porn hub and its all what are you doing step bro, and crazy parties, but you go to a adult gaming site and its just non stop rape

 

[jaxxon152]

Maybe it has to do with different cultures among different groups of people, you're right that you wouldn't see much of it on mainstream western porn but if you look at Japan then it becomes more common like in JAV.

 

[morphnet]

yes i get that but why is there SOOO much in porn games than other media? you goto porn hub and its all what are you doing step bro, and crazy parties, but you go to a adult gaming site and its just non stop rape

It's not, if you play games with certain tags / themes you will run into rape just as if you watch series with certain tags / themes you will find rape same with movies. If you move away from those tags / themes you will find little to no rape.

 

[Azi VonVeil]

It's not, if you play games with certain tags / themes you will run into rape just as if you watch series with certain tags / themes you will find rape same with movies. If you move away from those tags / themes you will find little to no rape.

thats simply not true iv already played about 5-6 games WITHOUT the rape tag....and it had rape...just like the "lesbian" tags is useless as 9/10 games with the lesbian tag are mostly hetero sex
and the amount of rape in shows/movies is not remotely at the same level as in adult games
like iv said i have been trying my best to AVOID rape yet it seems like 9/10 games have it anyway...

 

[Azi VonVeil]

Maybe it has to do with different cultures among different groups of people, you're right that you wouldn't see much of it on mainstream western porn but if you look at Japan then it becomes more common like in JAV.

yes i know that...but WHY?

 

[Count Morado]

There are currently 16,766 games listed on this site.
6,502 of them use at least one of the following tags that could be considered non-consensual:

(I did not include loli/shota - even though those should also fit under the non-consensual category, but are separately considered in their own right).

That leaves 10,264 games which do not have one of those tags: 61%, nearly 2/3rds of all games on this site do not have one of the above tags.

i have been trying my best to AVOID rape

You obviously need to do better than your best. it's really not that hard to avoid.

yes i know that...but WHY?

I'm not supporting Reddit, nor the commenters, but now you're going outside of what your original question was and instead of rehashing something already discussed elsewhere, I would prefer to simply link to it:

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iv already played about 5-6 games WITHOUT the rape tag....and it had rape

Then either you have a differing view of what should be tagged as rape than what many others do, or the games aren't tagged properly and you need to use the REPORT button on the first post of the game thread to say that the rape tag is missing.

However, perhaps you should list the 5-6 games you state do not have the rape tag but you believe have rape in them so that we can review, ourselves.

 

[morphnet]

yeah thats simpl

thats simply not true iv already played about 5-6 games WITHOUT the rape tag....and it had rape...just like the "lesbian" tags is useless as 9/10 games with the lesbian tag are mostly hetero sex

Did you report them missing the tag? If so was the tag added after the report? I have no idea what you consider rape, so I can't comment on that. That being said, different people have different views on what rape is and not all of those views fit the tags description.
As for the lesbian tag, it is added because some people don't enjoy it and want a warning.

and the amount of rape in shows/movies is not remotely at the same level as in adult games
like iv said i have been trying my best to AVOID rape yet it seems like 9/10 games have it anyway...

Both of those statements are untrue.

First

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Not only is rape used as a main or secondary storytelling tool as in Vikings - Valhalla or the winter king but it is also used as a shock tool (Game of thrones) or to educated, inform amongst other things like in law and order special victims unit.

Second, "it seems like 9/10 games have it anyway..." is clearly an exaggeration. If you are running into that much rape it's because the tags you are search for directly or indirectly involve rape in some form.

 

[Azi VonVeil]

how am i going outside of my original question of why thee is so much rape in porn games?" by asking "....but why?"...oh unless you meant i was changing my question to "why so much rape in Japaneses porn" in witch case i apologize for the confusion.
i can not recall them all as, this sort of thing tends to change my state of mind(im not scared to admit that seeing rape makes me both sad, angry and overall discussed...no shame if you like that sort of thing but its puts me in a bad mental state) but of the few offhand Diaba Doa and yes i recognize it has slave and blackmail, but it dose not have the rape tag so i thought like other games the blackmail and slave could be avoided, like say Descent and no i dont know how i hyperlinked that one.....it has blackmail and corruption but no rape as such things could be avoided in game. so when i saw "sandbox" and choices i thought again such outcomes could be avoided...they can not. at least not without a detailed understanding of every possible choice in game. but the main point Diaba Doa dose not have the rape tag on the site, but even in game the dev warns you their may be rape...witch there is so there is one game without the rape tag that has rape.im not saying this as a gotcha im just trying to aswer your question
there was another game, a 2d side scrooler where the description said you could avoid ALL sex and it did not have the rape tag...yet your chracter gets violently gang raped in the first 5 minites with no way to avoid it i will try to find it again for if you wish
but for the most part yes, when i see that rape tag i simply dont download the game, but Gloomy Village has no rape tag...er well it didnt have the rape tag when i played it, it has seince been updated so good job team no complaints... glad to see the system of reporting a missing tag works

and to clarify "rape" is any time your chracter is engaged in sexual acts that she/he did not consent to or you the player did not choose. so if say your game is set in an old village, and you can pcik to goto the tavern, the keep or the barracks. and going to the tavern plays a scene in witch your chracter is viloently raped by all the patrons that is rape. or if going to the keep has a nap propose sex to your chracter and you the player can not refuse the offer (so both player consent and chracter consent) and yes i know some games there is no such thing as player consent, im not talking about those games...but when a game trys to say it has no rape in it cuz the chracter said yes and you the play choise to goto the keep with no warning of what was going to hapen or how. i would even go so far as to say that your chracter goes to the barracks and is offered, and the player refuses but the game uses dialog to cercumvent your choice , as in your chracter dosent outright say no but is given no choice or agrees under derest ..also sorry for the wall of text didnt relaize how long it was till i spellchecked it

 

[Azi VonVeil]

Did you report them missing the tag? If so was the tag added after the report? I have no idea what you consider rape, so I can't comment on that. That being said, different people have different views on what rape is and not all of those views fit the tags description.
As for the lesbian tag, it is added because some people don't enjoy it and want a warning.



Both of those statements are untrue.

First

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Not only is rape used as a main or secondary storytelling tool as in Vikings - Valhalla or the winter king but it is also used as a shock tool (Game of thrones) or to educated, inform amongst other things like in law and order special victims unit.

Second, "it seems like 9/10 games have it anyway..." is clearly an exaggeration. If you are running into that much rape it's because the tags you are search for directly or indirectly involve rape in some form.

i will admit when i could be wrong i dont watch as much tv as i used to so maybe things have changed.
and i see now i was not clear in my post 9/10 of the games I have played, not 9/10 games on this site. sorry for the confusion
and when i search by tag the first thing i do is filter OUT rape, male domination, sexual assault, and so on, maybe i need to add more.... but even with rape filtered out i still find a lot of rape...so i will humbly ask what all tags should i filter out to avoid any games with any form on non-consensual sex?
and yes i understand what you mean about lesbian tag, its the same everywhere. they will add the lesbian tag if there is so much as two girls kissing but otherwise be 99% hetero, and thats why when looking for lesbian porn the tag "lesbian" is useless as you still going to be flooded with hetero content, im not blaming anyone for that tho

 

[Count Morado]

rambling wall

I asked simple questions and I got a rambling wall of dense text that talks in circles in run-on sentences and paragraphs.

I am not going to read all that.

The games I did glean from your lengthy and rambling response do have those tags - whether avoidable in game or not.

The best way for you to avoid the games with rape are to steer clear of games with the tags I listed. Especially based upon your assertion that "rape makes me both sad, angry and overall discussed [disgusted]... its puts me in a bad mental state."

You could even add 3 more tags you wish to avoid in the filter on the Latest Updates page. That's under the current system. When the new tag system is unveiled -- in months or years -- they plan to expand that to 20 maximum to exclude.

You still have 10,264 games to choose from. That is enough of a selection for you to play a different game each day for more than 28 years, and by that time, you'd have more than 4 times as many to choose from to continue ... or go back to the 10,264 and play their updated versions by that time.

You are not doing your best to avoid them if you think you see a tag which is affiliated with non-consensual sex and think you can avoid it in some way.

Blackmail is non-consensual. Corruption is non-consensual. Drugs (when attempting to dope potential partners) is non-consensual. Mind control is non-consensual. Slave is non-consensual. Sleep sex is non-consensual. And, of course, Rape is non-consensual.

Are there exceptions? Yes.
Are there games that make it avoidable? Yes.

However, if you are that averse to non-consensual sex - you shouldn't even bother with them.

Just exclude those tags ALWAYS and then you are doing your best to avoid. Period.

 

[Azi VonVeil]

yes they do have them NOW, like sex and magic did not have the tag, and i made a post asking why(i didnt know about the report system) and now it dose have the rape tag, so kudos to that and thank you for the full list of tag to filter out, hopefully it will help me better find what i am looking for...and sorry for the poor grammar, sometimes its just hard for me to articulate my point

 

[morphnet]

i will admit when i could be wrong i dont watch as much tv as i used to so maybe things have changed.
and i see now i was not clear in my post 9/10 of the games I have played, not 9/10 games on this site. sorry for the confusion
and when i search by tag the first thing i do is filter OUT rape, male domination, sexual assault, and so on, maybe i need to add more.... but even with rape filtered out i still find a lot of rape...so i will humbly ask what all tags should i filter out to avoid any games with any form on non-consensual sex?

Count Morado had a great list in his reply that covered almost all your needs, the only other ones I can think of would be graphic violence and sexual harassment. However, while that does cover most of the bases, it is hard to give a proper answer without knowing what you consider "rape" and "non-consensual sex".

and yes i understand what you mean about lesbian tag, its the same everywhere. they will add the lesbian tag if there is so much as two girls kissing but otherwise be 99% hetero, and thats why when looking for lesbian porn the tag "lesbian" is useless as you still going to be flooded with hetero content, im not blaming anyone for that tho

The new tag system should fix many problems people have. That being said, using multiple tags would be your best bet for the time being. So using tags together like, female protagonist, lesbian, sex toys and then excluding male protagonist should be a good start in finding what you are looking for.

Hopefully this helps you find what you are looking for. Good luck!

 

[Azi VonVeil]

any unwanted, forced on consensual sex, any sex the player or character did not agree to or choose. like someone else posted there is a whole new list of tags to filter out for me to try
and im looking forward to this new tag system, having a more accurate understanding of the games content can not be a bad thing.

 

[Azi VonVeil]

while i did not find the philosophical answer i was looking for, or a satisfying one to my original question. i thank all of you for your time, and if nothing else you will have helped me avoid the things i do not wish to see. and i know at times i may seem...confrontational, i do not mean to be and i am sorry if anything i said seemed like a insult of any kind to any one.
i gusse thi is just one of those questions we may never truly answer, or the answer is so simply we don't know we already found it

 

[Fate stay]

Why not?

 

[Ennoch]

It's an odd question considering the answer is in plain sight. Makes me wonder whether the inquirer really looking for the answer or in reality he is just looking for a specific one that better suits his on thoughts on the matter, refusing the actual answer. Happens so many times.

Anyway, lets assume the it is a sincere question. Well, the answer is simple.

Because it is in high demand. Just because it isn't spelled out openly, publicly, it is. The supply side always try to copy stuff that is deemed successful. It takes time but after a while this makes the market shift toward popular genres eventually and thus involuntarily reveal what fetishes and power fantasies are highly sought after. It's not 100% accurate but does the job at roughly pinpointing the most sought after ones.

It means that those people who are aware of the indie adult vn/game genre and know where to seek for them plus even willing to pay for them includes a significant amount who are into various variants of rape. If you say every third game includes rape that means there are tons of rape fans as they can support 33% of the entire market. So either there are scores of people or a few millionare who spend outrageous amount of money playing silent benefactor for the entire genre and while i know for a fact that the latter do exist, i wager that the former is closer to the truth behind the ratio rapey games represent.

It's really this simple. Most rape fans will deny they are into rape if asked. They are still into it all the same, they just won't be talking about it. Called silent majority in every other cases as well. When you look at a market economy and see a product so prevelant it is because it is highly sought after. If a market is just oversaturated but the demand isn't actually there, it just withers and dies. But since rapey stuff do not wither and die that means one thing and one thing only. It's on high demand.

What is there not to understand?

 

[Azi VonVeil]

i really do understand that, supply and demand is the basis of all commerce ...but why only the video games why is there so little of it in other adult media? or is it simply more hidden? harder to find? or maybe its less believable in live action? as you know they are just actors? or is it simply that in a game...your in control...yeah the nature of the interaction...
Occam's razor once again...