RPGM - Wicked Rouge Refine [v0.13.0] [fidless]

It's hard to believe this is an RPGM game...

• first of all this actually feels like something that could grow into a sandbox if they were able to implement random girls with randomized features.
• the UI feels quite natural and easy to navigate and it's quite well designed
• you have actual combat and levels which is a nice side game and activity

I feel there are no good brothel management games out there since Pinkpetal made that old WhoreMaster one, and this one feels like they're slowly adding 3D to the options in that old one

One of the best games i've ever played for sure, it really surprised me a lot, the combat is so fun and i don't think that there is any other game similar to this one.
The story is really intriguing and the ambiance is perfect for the game, combat is amazing and the grind of the oirans is so worth it at the end, the upgrade system, everything.
i could go on and on about every single aspect of this game cause for me there are no flaws.
Congrats to the dev and i'll be waiting anxious for the next updates!

Good Game overall... it has rough edges but there is alot of polishing done to it compared to the last version...

My only complaint is the model changes for Kisayo, her previous face was more charming / better as compared to the current one. rest is top noth..

Wicked Rouge Refine [v0.13.0] [fidless]

Messy UI, tedious gameplay, unneeded management/combat with an awful execution. Loads of grinding to get to the little drips of content and kinetic as hell. Its not worth the megabytes it takes up. With so much praise and presentation expected more out of this. RPGmaker only makes things worse.

Pros:
1. HS models.
2. Mostly okayish animations.

Cons:
1. Generic simp MC.
2. Combat boring as hell.
3. Shitty writing and there's a lot of it.
4. Kinetic sandbox with no real choices.
5. Mind-bogglingly dull gameplay.
6. Story itself is boringly mid.
7. "EXCITING" brothel management.
Download pics, but save your time and nerves - don't play this game! There's WAY better games on this site.

A lot of the criticism may be warranted from a subjective perspective and if you do a rework of an existing game, you always end up with people that liked your prior decisions more, BUT as it stands, this game is still unique, varied, well-written and extremely well done technically.

It's easily among the best games on this site, even if you disagree with some of the design decisions. You'll miss out if you don't try it.

Art: Using Honey select you can create an incredible variety of interesting models and attractive characters. This game takes the opposite approach and creates basically the same theme for each model. I understand this is to make the characters more ethnically correct. However this isn't an Asian dating simulator.
THIS IS A BROTHEL GAME!
Even in real brothels there is a variety of flavors to cater to different desires. It is ridiculous to restrict
Story: I cannot believe dialogue can be so boring. I was interested with the premise but the execution is so long and drawn out I would normally recommend just ripping the images out of the game and enjoying. In this project it's just not worth it.
Gameplay: It is probably the worst idea for a combat loop possible. Just play tic-tac-toe and you will feel more strategically competent than this entire system.
Overall: Don't waste any time on this as you will be left supremely disappointed at an interesting premise and intriguing story drowned in a deluge of worthless content.

An engaging and well put together game that is also very very visually pleasing.
First and foremost this is a management game, brothel management to be specific and as it is well written and narrative heavy, the prostitutes/orians all have stories and they are for the most part compelling and well written. Not making them cardboard cut-outs you can throw around like game pieces so you don't feel bad about them fucking other dudes isn't a design flaw, it's a plus.
Additionally the "grind" is also intentional. Managing the orians is part of the game, you may or may not think it's well done, i think it is, but the fact that it exists is not really a valid criticism.
The models are honey select and they are visually pleasing and the sex scenes are animated and well written.
The game is one of the better written games out there, though it does fall in love with its writing from time to time and gets a bit too verbose.
Overall an excellent game that is really a must for people who enjoy porn managements games. Obviously avoid if you are only looking for VNs or games where there are no other dudes around

I rather enjoyed the original but tbh this 'refine'd mess just doesn't cut it. The girls all look the same, the story is wordier without really adding anything and the management part seems to more of an afterthought. The only thing I can say has improved is the combat flow getting slightly better when it was acceptable before.

Tldr; the game is probably worth playing if you haven't before but the wasted potential ruined it for me.

The introduction is long as fuck, the game has a lot of text, it beatifully gives you an idea of how the world looks, it immerse you in the world and how other characters react, but so much text and the lack of content in the game at the starts makes it boring as fuck, I played for like two hours and I'm still waiting that the characters finish cleaning and repairing the brothel to open it, the only thing I did was finish the days because you have nothing to do aside that. When you finish a day the game continue with the story and they only talk about when they will re-open the brothel and maybe some sex scene, but I'm mostly doing nothing, I'm not taking decisions nor managing the brothel, there is nothing to do. I will see if I keep playing because I lost interest in the game.

Wicked Rogue Refine [0.11.0] suffers from the same problem that the predecessor had; it can't decide what type of game it wants to be. Is it brothel management, combat, or a VN? The game doesn't even know.

The combat is what I'd refer to as a pseudo-challenge; it attempts to be a challenge by proving itself more annoying than anything else. A prime example is the ability of the enemy to be able to inflict massive damage in little more than the first round whereas the player is required to build up to utilize heavily damaging skills. Thus the player is required to grind out for higher end gear that never upgrades. While there are minor upgrades that can be slotted into the gear, these do little to actually provide a sense of a true upgrade.

This massive damage and ability to perform an onslaught of debuffs on the player from the beginning while the player must take actions to build up to unleash an onslaught is not a challenge... it is poor design. The only 'challenge' presented is having to constantly deal with the same thing repeatedly. As for the hit rates, a drastic rebalance and understanding of those rates is needed... though given a vast majority of other aspects of the game I suspect that percentages are not a strong suit. In a 'real world' test 5 fights were used to count the number of hits the party performed. It ran around 50%. The hit rate of the opponent is far higher.

There are other game mechanics that make me curious if certain features and aspects are actually working... or what the function of something like the mercenaries actually is. With well over 20 mercenaries and an item purchased specifically stating it reduces certain events... I've had to deal with wave battles 5 in-game days in a row where the mercenaries only reduce said waves. They don't actually provide any security aside from enemy number reduction... and while attempting to grind out money and skills, I have to deal with the combat system far more than should have been done.

Not to mention how these 'random' encounters magically become a level higher each time the player's party increases a level with no real payoff to the increase that must be dealt with. To have that system in place with the sheer amount of times dealt with... there should be far more of a payoff.

One character, honestly, barely has any useful skills and is filled with far more fluff and 'archetype' skills that serve no use with the current state of combat. Why steal when you've got killing to do? Or for a massive payday that must be built up over a lengthier period of time to do massive damage as well... takes way too long. The cooldowns are also asinine in their duration. In truth I'm not sure why the cooldowns exist other than to prolong combat well past when it should have been concluded, especially with that high of an encounter rate.

Which brings me to the largest issue with Wicked Rogue Refine. It is full of systems that spend far too much time trying to interact with one another only to get in the way of the player attempting to make progress. Attempt to grind out money or raise skills... we're going to throw in a long and annoying fight with little to no reward. Then, we're going to throw some random scene that has no real relevance to anything transpiring which further prolongs the grind to make progress out. Why am I randomly seeing a scene where a character is complaining about food?

As another review denoted, there were a lot of times I skipped dialogue and had no sense that I had missed anything. It is pointless. It isn't even world building. A vast majority of the scenes are meant to be some minor story arc that gets thrown together. Any sense of build up is non-existent as these things are basically thrown together whereas other scenes could easily be removed and you wouldn't bat an eyelash. Even some characters that are introduced are bleh.

I would not recommend this game without a serious overhaul. Given this is an overhaul of the predecessor, Refine should be showing a far better cohesion than what is presented.

So I went into this game thinking its a combination of VN and management, with little to no expectation that this would be good. But what the hey, I have some hours to burn.

* Just a small caveat. I didn't finish this game, so there's always a chance that the game gets really good later on but its early-mid stages are such a slog I cant be arsed.


PROS

- Combat isn't shit, and in fact its functional and quite good. There's tons of items, tons of skills and youre not just mashing your way forward
- Sex scenes are sometimes animated and look quite fine. Much better than I expect out of 3d models.
- Girls look cute, for 3d models.


CONS

- Lord almighty this game feels like reading war and peace, except for each line of sentence you have to click spacebar. Its too long winded, and much of the dialogue is completely unnecessary. Do we really need to see every little interaction between characters with no plot significance? Is it necessary for the main protagonist to constantly remind its audience that Kisayo is a scheming little bitch and Yaichi's history with Otsu?

Good novels are paced, ideally you dont want to drag your readers through every little detail. VN should ideally show, not tell. The story in Wicked Rogue isn't a complex masterpience of a novel, it doesn't need so much details spelled out. Ive skipped so much dialogue in this game, but dont feel like Ive missed anything.

- Characters are fine up to a point, but seriously, our MC Yaichi is such a prick. He's the son of a rich lord, have tons of half-naked girls around him, with a score of ladies each competing for his affections. And his preoccupations is revenge against a man who killed his father, of whom we are constantly reminded that he hates. Like seriously?

I literally cant see why I should be rooting for our mc here. Kisayo gives him tons of cash, practically salivating over him every day, and old Yaichi here slags her off at every opportunity. Perhaps its a good thing I didnt finish this game, otherwise I'd might have lowered my score.

- Art direction feels like those old might and magic games in the 90s. Maybe its just me. 3d models in H games often come out too stiff and rubber puppety. But this game really does remind me of those old 90s 3d games.

- The management aspect of this game is really subpar. In fact its completely unnecessary. Its possible to make money without ever prostituting any of the oirans, and up to a certain point in the game you'll have amassed more money than god anyway.

- There's a distinct lack of choices in this VN. Its story is too linear, which makes the extraordinarily long dialogue all the more grating, since there's literally no reason to pay any sort of attention.

And that's a real shame. Literally at the start of the game we're presented with two oirans in-training. Its almost an easy win: Create a route where they dont come out as prostitutes, against a slow corruption route. Instead, what we got is both of them just decide one day to suck your dick and off they go whoring themselves out.


CONCLUSION

The game has potential, but as it stands its just another shallow VN experience, masquerading with more elements than it actually has. Unfortunately, I cant look past the long dialogue and fairly mundane story.

Recommended only if you have literally tons of time to burn with the patience of a god, or you know, you can just play something better, like strive for power, a very similar game but one that understands pacing. At least in that game youre actually arsed about management.

Excellent game.
Took me some time to get used to the changes that came with the refine, but it def feels like the better of the 2 versions now.
The combat and story missions def feel like a step up.
Can't wait to see what comes next.

Excellent game. I have grinded all even before game is complete. Very beauty and anatomic-correct models: good work with engine, one of the best i thought. One of the best games for me. I would wish author best luck and successes in further developing of this game. I wish games with graphics like in this project comes more often

MC just thorws potenial loves interests into becoming whores to make his life easier.

Even with the ability to make the game an rpg where you could avoid what is mentioned above, you get stuck on a boring linar story.

Two of the Charatcers you are incuraged to care about have a forced ntr story path.

this game started off strong and then instantly lost all of that steam, a fake openworld. Add on top of that a promise of light and dark paths with meaningful choices. A promise broken due to what was mentioned above, this is the first time I have felt the need to leave such a negative reveiw. I hope I can come back later and be able to remove it, the potentail is there.

Normally I am hesitent to encorage more openworld games, this is one that can benifit from being one. Give us the freedom to protect all of the girls with optional missions. this way if someone likes that content they can ignore it and if they do not then they can fight for it. Right now it feels like you are suck on a ride and are just forced to do things that feel wrong. Even the MC admits it feels wrong to do, SO give us a way to not do it!

3/5
i thought this was going to be a very indepth game since it starts off strong and there are many elements to it. even the turn based combat sequences looked great.
then after an hour i realized that the game already showed me all there is to offer. after you set up your girls, you really have no reason to pay attention to management side. there isn't even a beauty level to the girls, they're all basically going to be earning the same money. the only uniqueness they got is each girl has two stats that are maybe different from one and another. meanwhile, the dojo, entertainment areas, dancing stages and every other thing is just a number that goes up and there's nothing interesting about them.
unfortunately the turn based combat is also extremely easy, even if you never buy any weapons or armor.
as for story, i dont know what to make of it. on one hand, its trying to be serious and on another its trying to just get to the sex scenes as fast as possible. the game especially lost me when an assassin is trying to "kill" the main character.
all in all, the game turns into "click end day to progress the story" after an hour.

The original version of Wicked Rouge was fantastic.

An actual game with a solid story, fantastic ambiance, and great management mechanics. It was one of my favorite adult games, with the caveat that if you aren't interested in playing a game then neither version will appeal.

The REFINE version is overall even better, thought there are a few things that were a bit better in the original game.

Good changes:

1) The story is more tightly composed and a lot of the ill-fitting comedic elements have been toned down, which is a big improvement. The new version is simply better constructed and everything is in service of the overall tone and spirit of the story.

2) The visual look has improved. It looked good before, but the new visual look is even better. Some animations get a bit too fast, but that is a minor complaint as overall the visuals are very, very well done.

Bad changes:

1) The management mechanics have been simplified. For instance, the way the stage works is less complicated, and I feel like there are less choices for managers to make. I would prefer more choices, not less. It is still a good management system, but it could be improved with a bit more complexity.

2) The combat system is less complicated. In the previous version units could block for other units, and I feel like the combat was a bit more tactical. Also, there are no longer any choices on units. In the previous version you could hire different guards to work with. That seems to be gone now. I prefer the more complicated system. Also, I feel like the characters level up a bit too fast now, but that may be necessary to complete the missions. I did actually lose one battle, which was a nice surprise, and the balance may require the quick level progression.

Overall review:

Still at the end of the day Wicked Rouge remains an extremely interesting and captivating game.

Every piece is just well done and in service to the overall feel, atmosphere, and setting. Nothing is out of place or superfluous.

It is rare to play an adult game that is so well crafted. And I don't think the porn really matters, as the strength here is the story telling and experience. The porn adds to that as it blends seamlessly into the story, but it isn't the main strength of the game.

I highly recommend Wicked Rouge to anyone that wants to experience playing a young ronin in charge of rebuilding a once glorious pleasure house in a violent and gritty feudal world.

The world building is concise, and near perfect. Everything that happens is fitted within this overall vision so precisely and deftly.

Playing this is an experience that very few adult games ever achieve.

Though there are very few choices outside of management decisions, I would describe Wicked Rouge as a unique adult role playing game.

A very fun and memorable experience.

I think this game has potential. Its systems and mechanics for the most part seem fleshed out. All the game really needs is additional content to finish the game.

From what it looks like, the story needs to still be finished, but other than that, everything else seems to be good. The sex scenes, management, story, etc seem to be quite above average. As a brothel management game, I would recommend this game.

This game has the potential to be the GOAT if development continues as is. The gameplay is solid, the story is decent, and the scenes are quite good. Although I was initially put off by the render style, you get used to it real fast. Another aspect that I found to be amazing was just how realistic the social dynamics are of the participants within the yujo industry of the Edo period.

Reading the reviews, I feel like there might be some excessive and perhaps misguided criticisms towards the game.

First of all, its a management game, so it is to be expected that there will be grind. The grind in this game is not the worst. It can be relatively entertaining but only for so long. But you can always come back to it later if you get fatigued. I personally enjoy it mostly for the fact of getting richer and beefing the establishment more with upgrades.

Secondly, considering it is regarding the management of a brothel, this type of sharing content (or "NTR" as people call it, which I am certain it isn't) can also be expected. You also get heroines that don't engage in that so this should accommodate most people.

I understand that RPGM has a bad rep. With the number of games that use it for the worse, its understandable. But there are good games that use it. When playing, I have not found any glaring issues with the implementation of RPGM here and I actually kinda like it.

Its also meant to be a VN, so lots of text is expected. I love story and the story and scenes (both sex and plot) here is pretty solid and enjoyable. I personally preferred the previous version's models better, but that isn't enough for me to give up on the game.

Overall, I definitely feel its a well above average game for the mechanics it has.

Pros:

1. Girls/models
2. Premise of revenge

Cons:

1. Pseudo-ntr wouldn’t have mattered at all, but then creator had to add “feelings” for the main hookers. This is a major gripe because at that point the MC gets attached to the girls hence why is say it’s not not NTR. Never get attached to any hooker smh
2. Grind I mean if I wanted a micromanagement grind fest I’d go for 4x game as it does this much better (I guess some people like doing chores after work) try Stellaris or EU4
3. RPGM no idea how this became popular
4. MC is not a “chad” (I feel cringe even thinking this word) he’s a typical anime simp