With NTR and Cuckold games, what are some fundementals that make them really good?

[bcsjkdfjksh]

With Long story short having a successful narrative that blends cuckolding effectively I was thinking about which features made it work effectively. I thought of a few:

1. Slow temptation/insinuation. Where the women in the protagonists' lives often take time to be corrupted and flip into horny devils.
2. Choices with impact
3. Living out fantasies; especially those with hotter better men and black men.
4. Having a pretty woman, bonus points if she's innocent

What are some fundamentals that make them really good?

 

[Deleted member 3145675]

Hi,
In my opinion, you should take inspiration from "Atelier Sakura" - Make a Short/Medium Complete Story - Then if success comes, you can always make sequels - or clones of your first story. (like a bit what "NTRgames" does/did too)

For what makes them "really good" - that depends on your definition of "good":
- good story you really like and wanted to tell?
- Commercially successful game?

What tags/fetish to use? - that also would depend on what you are at ease writing about. (and being credible about it).

Taking a game "onhold" as an example may not be the wisest choice for a future Dev.

Have fun creating your project.
GL

 

[bcsjkdfjksh]

Hi,
In my opinion, you should take inspiration from "Atelier Sakura" - Make a Short/Medium Complete Story - Then if success comes, you can always make sequels - or clones of your first story. (like a bit what "NTRgames" does/did too)

For what makes them "really good" - that depends on your definition of "good":
- good story you really like and wanted to tell?
- Commercially successful game?

What tags/fetish to use? - that also would depend on what you are at ease writing about. (and being credible about it).

Taking a game "onhold" as an example may not be the wisest choice for a future Dev.

Have fun creating your project.
GL

This advice is dope. Super dope. It really does mean a lot.

As for success I'm talking about a well crafted story that the reader can smile, laugh and get horny about

 

[mininator1]

In my opinion if you do a ntr/cuckold game you should clearly state it and stand to it. Randomly dropping a NTR Scene will mostly annoy a lot of people on this platform. So my advice would be if you do it go all in on it.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

For NTR from the cuck/quean's perspective in non-con NTR:

- MC being less conventionally attractive than the "stealer". For males, maybe the stealer is more buff, taller, bigger schlong etc. I've never understood the "old / ugly bastard" trope in NTR.

- Feeling of dread, powerlessness. However, this should be a result of the MC's circumstances and not his/her actions. I don't want to be angry at MC for being an ass in a way that justifies the ensuing NTR.

- Corruption of the "stolen" character, of course. Not just sexual, but turning against MC as well, as long as it's done in a believable way. That's what NTR is about, in the end. It's not just about your spouse sleeping around, but rather about the deterioration of a mutual bond of some sort.

- Voyeurism. The NTRPG and Henteria Chronicles games are great examples of how voyeuristic aspects can be used to build an atmosphere of uncertainty and dread.

 

[exazubi]

Very important is the clear definition of NTR: netori & netorare.

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Pay particular attention to the part Netroi vs Netorare. That perfectly explains the essence of what NTR really means. And you should stick to this definition, otherwise the usual discussions will start.

And the most important tip:
Don't listen to the haters who don't even know what NTR is.

 

[Deleted member 3145675]

Very important is the clear definition of NTR: netori & netorare.

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Pay particular attention to the part Netroi vs Netorare. That perfectly explains the essence of what NTR really means. And you should stick to this definition, otherwise the usual discussions will start.

And the most important tip:
Don't listen to the haters who don't even know what NTR is.

Hi,
To exazubi but to the Op too:

Definitions are well and good even fine and dandy BUT having all the good terms with the good meaning according to the accepted definitions does NOT make for a good story!

So, write YOUR story, create YOUR game, when you're good with that - you can always set the correct Tags that will correctly explain what's in your game. (more or less ofc. since almost no one agrees on what is NTR - not even the Japanese - and that F95 does not have a "cuckold" tag.)

Story comes first! (unless you want to create a honey pot on Patreon ofc...)
TC

 

[desmosome]

Just make sure it's actually NTR lol. 90% of western NTR isn't even really NTR. The entire concept is about someone being stolen mind and body. It's a story progression. It's not about some random cheating sex, rape, swinging, sharing, cum swapping, lesbian experiments, threesomes, whatever the fuck else. These are actions. NTR is a story. These actions can be part of that story, but the acts by themselves won't make something NTR. You can compare it to Romance. Anal, footjob, hand holding, whatever can be actions that are part of the romance story. All the bullshit happens when people use NTR to designate some action.

So back on topic... the fundamentals are just following the NTR progression. People complain that japanese NTR usually always have the same story. Yea, that's because NTR basically is that story. You can get creative within the formula, but you gotta at minimum show the original relationship (usually a happy couple/family), antagonist corrupting the girl through increasing sexual acts, and the girl finally being "stolen."

 

[Loganfin]

I'm always interested in games/stories where the MC is the one having sex with other men's wives or girlfriends, and its seen from his perspective. Not to hurt or humiliate those other guys, but as an achievement or proof of his manhood that he can seduce the women.

I'm also into good games/stories from the woman's perspective where she doesn't originally intend to cheat on her man, but is put into a situation where shes away from him, and stumbles into it. Shes reluctant, but horny, and eventually goes for it and sluts out. Depending on the story, it can sometimes be hot if she tells her man about it afterwards.

I'm into stories where the MC and his wife get into sharing/swapping/swinging, where they both have sex with other people, either one at a time or together. For me its best if at first, they aren't already into the lifestyle and have to come to terms with it. That can be a MMF threesome, a MFF threesome, an orgy, ect, you name it. IF well done, the psychology of this can be hot from the man's perspective as he debates how much to encourage her, and balances that with his own desire to both see her get fucked by someone else and to fuck other women with her blessing.

The one that I'm not at all into is where the woman cucks the man when he's not into it and/or to make him feel weak or shamed. Having sex with other guys in front of him or around him and making him feel like shit. The psychology of that doesn't turn me on at all. I think that's what a lot of people on here think of as NTR by default, but to me its only a piece of the pie.

 

[khumak]

For me the only real way to make them good is to add a cuckquean path. The appeal is presumably similar, but with the roles reversed basically. Babysitter is an example of a game that did this. I hated both of the NTR opponents, but I found the love triangle between the MC, Christine, and Jess to be really hot.

 

[Trickstar]

In my opinion the best of NTR is in Netorase where have your girl fuck other guys because you tell her too. I find it a super hot power dynamic of where even if she fucks other guys at the end of the day the only one she truly loves is you. It fulfills kink of watching your love one get fucked, gangbanged and more without needing to be humiliated or have your girl stolen. Honestly netorase is my favorite genre of porn even though I don't really like normal NTR at all.

 

[rgnar62]

In my opinion the best of NTR is in Netorase where have your girl fuck other guys because you tell her too. I find it a super hot power dynamic of where even if she fucks other guys at the end of the day the only one she truly loves is you. It fulfills kink of watching your love one get fucked, gangbanged and more without needing to be humiliated or have your girl stolen. Honestly netorase is my favorite genre of porn even though I don't really like normal NTR at all.

Netorase is love my friend!

 

[Terix3]

Do not write NTR if you are not into NTR yourself, if you are fan of tag that goes hand in hand with NTR like corruption you may try but it will be hard as NTR genre is not easy as one could think.

First of there are several types of NTR and liking one does not mean you like the other.

Spoiler: Let me go quickly over the types of NTR there are

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The single thing that will improve the likeness of success for NTR game is to have both female and male pov as it lets you attract people that like different things about NTR.

Avoid rape - rape is ntr only for the oversensitive that fears of their heroine being taken. It would be also good to avoid blackmail, mind control and making the heroine absolute airhead.

Spoiler: Notable kinks that accompany NTR:

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[EstadoYSociedadGriegos]

I find the Visual Novel Database categorization of Netorare into Type A, B and C quite useful. You can find it here:

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(click on child tags for the explanations). But basically it's about the willingness and the enjoyment of the taken person (let's say girl from now on since most NTR content is about them). Type A is basically cheating from the girl, she consents and usually enjoys it. Type C is non-consensual form beginning to end and the girl usually doesn't enjoy it, though this last part is unusual in western content and is becoming less common in Japanese content I feel (in older hentai and ryona games there used to be more of just plain suffering from beginning to end from the girl), also the rape tends to be in front of the boyfriend/husband. Type B is more in between: the girl starts non-consenting and non-enjoying but eventually arrives to enjoyment and some form of consent.

I think this categorization is useful because IMO the personal preference of different NTR consumers usually hinges on the enjoyment by the girl. I think there's a clear divide among NTR fans that goes along the lines of A, B and C. Some NTR fans like the cheating aspect of it all, the morbid fantasy of imagining your significant other betray you and willingly go out and cheat on you (Type A). Some NTR fans focus on the violent defilement of a man being forced to watch his SO raped in front of him and the explicit, open and non-consensual profanation that it entails (Type C). And some of us focus more on the corruption aspect of NTR, where the girl starts unwilling but ends up enjoying it so much she loses her purity (Type B).

(Of course there's people that enjoy more than one or all of them, people that focus on specific gender combinations or protagonism, people that like to experience the content from a Netori perspective, etc.)

 

[Hagatagar]

With NTR I am referring to it's classical meaning, namely that the main character's Love Interest / partner is (sexually) stolen by someone.

First of all, Netorare works best if the player is not aware that it is going to happen in the story. However, if the game's goal is to humiliate the main character, this is less important, because it's not about invoking jealousy, but to degrade the MC.

NTR is supposed to give a feeling of jealousy and powerlessness and as with many (strong) emotions, the element of surprise works as an intensifier.
Comedy is a good example, one of the most effective ways is to use the element of surprise, or saying something unexpected. This can provide laughs even in rather unfunny moments.
As many players hate NTR and therefore the NTR tag is needed, it is not easy to implement surprise NTR.


In my opinion, there are 3 important NTR set ups.

1. Sledgehammer: Simple but effective. Here the element of surprise is of most importance.
An example: the main character opens carelessly a door and witnesses his moaning girlfriend being fucked hard from behind.
Optimally, the player is overwhelmed with a wave of (unpleasant) emotions. Of course, there must be no indication of this event might happen.

2. Slow Burn: The most difficult to implement, because you have to walk a thin line. The player must not find out about the impending NTR too early, it has to build up slowly, perhaps giving hints here and there. What's important is an emerging uncertainty as to whether this could be NTR or not until it's too late.
An example: The MC's girlfriend typical best male friend who gets along great with her and there is also a certain physical closeness (without the typical but stupid hand on ass shock moment), but the girlfriend assures that they are only friends and may even get angry if the MC gets jealous.

3. Failed hero: The player must have the feeling that he can easily avert an impending possible NTR situation, but this is just an emotional trap for the player (Yes, in a way it's kind of a combination of 1 and 2).
An example: The main character learns that his girlfriend has been dragged to a motel and is about to get raped. Of course the MC rushes over in time and pulls open what appears to be the correct door, only to find himself in an empty/wrong room. The scene changes to the right room, where the perpetrator penetrates the girlfriend at that very moment.
The player wasn't fully expecting NTR because he assumed he was going to save the victim.

Bonus: Guilt: And here is something that makes NTR so ... particularly evil. Works best with 2 and especially 3. The scenes leading to the (presumptive) NTR are set up in such a way that the scenes exites the player, and when the NTR happens the player is too horny not to be aroused by the sex and then feels guilty.
A rather simple example would be an erotic foreplay sex scene and as the the penetration happends it shows that it's not the player.



I'd like to have given better examples, but English is not my native language and it has taken me enough time to write this at it is.