Your opponent is punished for losing to you. Is it corruption or not?

[Girm Ork]

Let's imagine a game about combats between pure virgin girls (19 years old). The rules for the match are awful: the one who loses will be punished in a lewd way. The punishment could be more or less lewd, depending on the game progression. Let's presume that the player girl must retain her purity and win the match. The player watches only scenes with opponents, except for a game-over scene.

Is this scheme good enough for a Corrupton game? Or corruption is only interesting when bad things happen to the main character?

 

[Living In A Lewd World]

Let's imagine a game about combats between pure virgin girls (19 years old). The rules for the match are awful: the one who loses will be punished in a lewd way. The punishment could be more or less lewd, depending on the game progression. Let's presume that the player girl must retain her purity and win the match. The player watches only scenes with opponents, except for a game-over scene.

Is this scheme good enough for a Corrupton game? Or corruption is only interesting when bad things happen to the main character?

It is in none of the case you name corruption. Corruption is used mostly in the sense, that the personality of the girl changes through whatever happens in a way, that she does more and more enjoy doing lewd things. If she does nothing lewd, it is not corruption. But also if she is punished, it is no corruption, because it doesn't implicate, that her personality changes in a way, that she does enjoy doing lewd things.
It may count as corruption, if she is the one who punishs herself and gets more and more creative about the lewdity of the punishments, as she is then corrupted to be a domina or if she starts to enjoy the punishments more and more and is corrupted in a sense, that she discovers more and more her masochistic/submissive side.
Bonus-Points, if the change in personality is also shown in her clothing.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

None of that sounds like corruption to me, and not because it's not happening to the main character. Corruption entails a change in personality / worldview / values / etc. This just sounds like non-con. More to do with risk-fetish than corruption, assuming the girls don't want to be punished.

Now, if you have a theme where they are tempted to lose because part of them wants to be punished, that'd be an interesting setup and could include corruption. Like, maybe the MC is a masochist and the more she sees the losers being punished, the more horny she gets thinking about it happening to her, and this could involve debuffs making the fights harder or changing the tactics.

 

[Girm Ork]

Corruption is used mostly in the sense, that the personality of the girl changes through whatever happens in a way, that she does more lewd things on her own.

Let's presume that the player girl is fighting each opponent more than once. Also, all girls have close relationships (friends, foes, or even lovers) and it is possible to observe changes in them through story events. The main characters remain pure, but everyone else became slutty.

If she does nothing lewd, it is not corruption.

When I played Degrees of Lewdity, I did nothing wrong and tried to be a good girl. But a lot of bad things happen against my will.

 

[Living In A Lewd World]

Let's presume that the player girl is fighting each opponent more than once. Also, all girls have close relationships (friends, foes, or even lovers) and it is possible to observe changes in them through story events. The main characters remain pure, but everyone else became slutty.

I would count this as corruption. Many male-MC-corruption games work similar, only that the male MC corrupts the females directly.

When I played Degrees of Lewdity, I did nothing wrong and tried to be a good girl. But a lot of bad things happen against my will.

I've never played the game. But I think, this might rather count as non-con, as Pretentious Goblin says. The tags for a game aren't necessarily applicable on a single path, but on all possible paths. Even in a game with a NTR-Tag that focuses on you being nice to your girls or they start cheating, you might never see the NTR-parts if you're always nice to your girls.

 

[Girm Ork]

Now, if you have a theme where they are tempted to lose because part of them wants to be punished,

Yeah, they are tempted. The player is using special attacks (damages opponent's clothes, touches sensitive areas) to stimulate their inner desires.

 

[Kamishirov]

It'd be best if the punishment for the loser was left ambiguous rather than her KNOWING it's going to be a lewd outcome.
More like, "You have to do whatever I say if I win" type deal. There's no time limit or answer to what the punishment will be.

Not knowing what the punishment for losing will be you can then lead her down the dark path of corruption.

The fact that the punishment is well known, regardless of the severity of it's application, means that it isn't necessarily corruption.

 

[disturb-o-matic]

My answer is no, that scenario would not be considered corruption. To me, corruption involves changing the person's perspective and attitude towards topics & actions away from a certain direction and towards another direction.

As an example of corruption, the conservative, modest, and sexually inexperienced nun is gradually influenced by a cult priest into becoming a cock-hungry slut willing to take any cultist dick presented to her. She goes from one extreme to another.

If the girl who loses in your scenario changes her perspective on her situation of punishment as a result of being punished so much, perhaps to the point of enjoying her punishment & getting off on it, then it would be an example of corruption. But simply punishing her and having her be the same afterwards, would not be.

 

[GNVE]

For me the loser of game does lewd things concept is more of an offshoot of BDSM. It differs in that the players do not know if they will end up as the dom or sub before playing the game (especially if the winner gets to do something to the loser). But since the loser has to submit to the punishment they are therefor a sub because of fate or skill.

 

[Girm Ork]

Everyone, thank you for your answers. Based on them and the poll results I've come to the conclusion that this scheme is not very appealing to the corruption audience.
Probably, girl vs girl combats are generally not good for corruption. Someone has to be a male and "punish" his opponent to make things spicy enough.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

In essence corruption is all about taking something virtuous, and molding it into vice.
The most known sexual example probably would be molding this girl who is a paragon of purity, into a total slut.

Your question is whether watching someone else doing the corrupting would be fun. Right?
And my answer would be: It's not as much fun as doing it yourself is, that's for certain.

 

[GNVE]

Everyone, thank you for your answers. Based on them and the poll results I've come to the conclusion that this scheme is not very appealing to the corruption audience.
Probably, girl vs girl combats are generally not good for corruption. Someone has to be a male and "punish" his opponent to make things spicy enough.

That doesn't mean there is no audience for the game. I don't know if it really matters whether strictly speaking it is or isn't corruption.
There are pornsites catering to wrestling with loss condition and childs game with loss condition.

 

[Girm Ork]

That doesn't mean there is no audience for the game. I don't know if it really matters whether strictly speaking it is or isn't corruption.

I agree, there is an audience for almost any type of adult game. However, the size of the audience is very varied. As an example, there are a lot of people commenting and liking classic corruption games on this forum.
But what I offered was more like a BDSM + lesbian genre and I don't see a lot of successful games like this.

 

[Living In A Lewd World]

Everyone, thank you for your answers. Based on them and the poll results I've come to the conclusion that this scheme is not very appealing to the corruption audience.
Probably, girl vs girl combats are generally not good for corruption. Someone has to be a male and "punish" his opponent to make things spicy enough.

It depends on, how you make it. I personally would love to see a well made combat-corruption-VN.
Actually one of the most stimulating corruption-stories, I've ever read is a sexfight story:

You must be registered to see the links

It starts with a blackmail, what I find personally not that good and in this case unnecessary. But it turns quite fast, when the initial blackmailer puts down her blackmail and some carrots in front of the protagonist's nose, that the protagonist can't resist. The corruption is then quite hot, when the inexperienced protagonist increasingly realizes during the sexfight that she enjoys the whole lewd action.

 

[Death Panda]

Everyone, thank you for your answers. Based on them and the poll results I've come to the conclusion that this scheme is not very appealing to the corruption audience.

This is completely wrong. You're asking people whether or not a certain scenario would qualify as corruption, not whether or not people who like corruption would like that scenario or whether or not that scenario can have corruption.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

Let's presume that the player girl must retain her purity and win the match.

I think this part is the bad part of your idea.
Remove 'must retain her purity' from the equation, and we have a winner.

Here's an idea you could use:

*Let's say we have an underground arena.
Winners get fabulous riches, losers get enslaved, trained as sex slaves, and sold.
With this idea you could do something like: X loses in a row or/and to a boss, and the player gets a sex slave game over.
She can lose here and there (boss/special fights may or may not be excluded) and get punished for it, increasing her corruption.
And once that corruption hits 100%, maybe now she WANTS to become a sex slave. This way you got two game overs at rather interesting spots, making the player want to maintain a bit of a balance between sinking into complete sluttery and achieving the objective.
Though personally i'd prefer a more relaxed gameplay that doesn't force its pace on me. Still, it's an idea.

*Virgin/pure playthrough should be possible for people who like rolling them, but not a necessity.
Corruption fans like to corrupt, after all. Preventing them from doing that is counterproductive.

 

[Girm Ork]

not whether or not people who like corruption would like that scenario

Yeah, my bad. I wanted to ask this. But if I asked directly, then nobody would answer in this thread. People do not usually like to discuss random game ideas.

Also, I have doubts about this idea, as VoidTraveler said:

It's not as much fun as doing it yourself is, that's for certain.

With this idea you could do something like: X loses in a row, and the player gets a sex slave game over.

Nice idea, but I can't make the process of losing to be fun. And I really dislike games where you need to lose just to get corruption level.

Actually, now I am thinking about master + slave matches (male trainer and a girl fighter). The master of the winning side is free to do something lewd to the slave of the defeated side. However, it won't help with this "my girl must retain her purity " problem. And it will add some unavoidable NTR to the game over scene, lol.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

Probably, girl vs girl combats are generally not good for corruption. Someone has to be a male and "punish" his opponent to make things spicy enough.

As a corruption fan, what can I say... That's a wrong takeaway. Just, no.

The first two replies nail it, read them again, please. Corruption is about mental changes. And the problem with your proposed scenario is not that it's FvF combat or FvF adversity and not FvM. There are great corruption games with both fem corruptor and fem corruptee.

What doesn't work in your scenario is that you don't have an apparent corruptor. You have these girls competing, all of them pure, including the (fem)protag. Further complicating the matter, the proposed scenario doesn't offer the corruptee any carrots. So who's going to corrupt who, and for what reason? They lose the fight and get molested? Why on earth would they even consider losing?

Okay, here's your FvF combat, but with a few corrupting incentives woven in:

1. Girls fight, winner gets money, loser can buy her way back into the tournament.
2. Buyback can be done with money (from prev winnings) or by allowing to be molested by the winner.
3. The winner gets her winning pot multiplied depending on the degree of depravity she inflicts on the loser.
4. (Optional rule) A contestant can earn a handicap by doing something lewd during the fight, like fighting topless, or willingly taking aphrodisiac, etc.

These 4 fairly simple rules create powerful incentives for a cast of pure girls to slowly corrupt themselves, no "male punisher" needed, at all.

 

[♍VoidTraveler]

but I can't make the process of losing to be fun

You could do it like in Karryn's Prison, for example. If you got the skills.
In Karryn's even if mc lost all her hp in combat, she can still win by fucking her enemies.
It's like a secondary combat stage where the mechanics change entirely to sex.
And she even learns sex skills and passives that help her out in various ways. Fun.

Actually, now I am thinking about master + slave matches (male trainer and a girl fighter). The master of the winning side is free to do something lewd to the slave of the defeated side. However, it won't help with this "my girl must retain her purity " problem. And it will add some unavoidable NTR to the game over scene, lol.

Yeah, that sounds like it'll work out just fine.
And i think it's fine if it's a bit NTR-ish like that, the price of a loss is supposed to be heavy no?
Or you could simply not show what happens if the player lost, you could even add a toggle to the settings: Loss ntr on/off.
This way you could also force the player to go look for another slave (or buy a new one) if they lost their current one in a match.
I think the element of such danger present in the game only enhances the experience.

Plus losing your slave would not necessarily be the only possible outcome, for if the players wins the reward for winning will be the losers slave, as well. You could also let the player win back the slaves they lost before.
And like that you could let the player assemble a whole harem of unique pets to train and use in fights, as whores, as bargaining chips with other masters, and whatever else you can imagine. And you can create various unique girls the player will be able to win from other masters or buy or even capture themselves.

I like it, yup. Come on, make me an awesome game bruh. A creative one.