Linear corruption?

[Satori6]

So you know how every corruption game out there follows the same path: some naive character will be forced into slightly lewder scenarios on a preset path: light groping, underwear, blowjobs, titjobs, and all kinds of non-penetrative sex, fully naked, vaginal sex, anal, gangbang... it may vary a bit, but you get the idea.

It's the same trope for exhibitionism, extramarital affairs, and many other mechanics: the games try to force this idea that everything starts as some innocent acts that increase in intensity the more the character does them, as opposed as done on a whim or under unusual circumstances.

That doesn't resemble my experience, is that how sex works for others? I got to speak about this (not about porn games, but this idea of a linear progression to ever lewder sex acts) to people I know (both men and women) and they agreed that it doesn't work like that at all: some will have anal as their first experience, others will be licking some titties before having their first kiss, some more will do the most "extreme" acts during their teens and then switch to more vanilla sex as they grow older and more experienced, and so on.

Now, of course games don't resemble reality, and I understand that this is done to artificially increase the length of some games, but I wanted to test the waters and see how others feel about this trope in corruption games, as I'm planning on breaking it in one of the projects I'm working on.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

Two of my favorite corruption games (iNSight of you and Nuka Ride mod for Fallout 4) have hardcore fucking from early on. It depends on what it is you're corrupting. In most games, especially most trainers, you're corrupting a naive and/or prudish girl, probably much more similar to sexual grooming than anything normal. But in others, it may be more focused on breaking down their pride and autonomy (ioY) or changing their lifestyle and values (NR).

Me, I care more about the corruption and characters than the sex acts, so either way can work as long as I can understand the characters' reasoning and why the corruption works on them.

 

[Death Panda]

If you really think corruption is done progressively to "artificially increase the length of some games," then you're better off not making a corruption game.

 

[Satori6]

If you really think corruption is done progressively to "artificially increase the length of some games," then you're better off not making a corruption game.

Care to elaborate how that's not the case?

Let's use an example that is fresh on my mind: in the game Mai and the Legendary Treasure, my MC has been raped a dozen times over, yet she cannot engage in willing prostitution because she needs to do some random quest before consensual sex is ok for her, even after having non-con a million times before.

Or what about Flash Cycling? You get strangers groping and cumming over you in public, but need to grind random events and races before you can go out and go around without wearing a jersey, even when she's mentioned enjoying being watched by others.

While some corruption games get it right and there is a rationale behind the linear progression (eg; the grooming mentioned by Pretentious Goblin), there's a million examples where the "corruption" doesn't follow any logic other than breaking some arbitrary threshold or completing a quest before you can unlock the next step and continue the grind, without which the games would probably last 1/20th as long.

 

[Living In A Lewd World]

Care to elaborate how that's not the case?

Let's use an example that is fresh on my mind: in the game Mai and the Legendary Treasure, my MC has been raped a dozen times over, yet she cannot engage in willing prostitution because she needs to do some random quest before consensual sex is ok for her, even after having non-con a million times before.

Or what about Flash Cycling? You get strangers groping and cumming over you in public, but need to grind random events and races before you can go out and go around without wearing a jersey, even when she's mentioned enjoying being watched by others.

While some corruption games get it right and there is a rationale behind the linear progression (eg; the grooming mentioned by Pretentious Goblin), there's a million examples where the "corruption" doesn't follow any logic other than breaking some arbitrary threshold or completing a quest before you can unlock the next step and continue the grind, without which the games would probably last 1/20th as long.

I think. you should divide between grind and corruption. Corruption means in my eyes just to convince somebody to do increasingly lewder things through whatever means. That this is often quite poorly implemented and connected with grind is on another sheet of paper, but has nothing to do with the idea of corruption.

I actually find the use of corruption and grind together quite interesting.
I would connect
corruption rather to inducing to the player the feeling of dominance and
grind with inducing to the player the feeling of submissiveness,
so basically two total contradictive feelings.

 

[Satori6]

I think. you should divide between grind and corruption. Corruption means in my eyes just to convince somebody to do increasingly lewder things through whatever means. That this is often quite poorly implemented and connected with grind is on another sheet of paper, but has nothing to do with the idea of corruption.

I actually find the use of corruption and grind together quite interesting.
I would connect
corruption rather to inducing to the player the feeling of dominance and
grind with inducing to the player the feeling of submissiveness,
so basically two total contradictive feelings.

This is true - the corruption mechanic is often poorly implemented or muddied by features that don't do it any service, and this poor implementation often comes in the form of a grind or forced progression: "I've given blowjobs to half of the men in town, but I can't give a boobjob until I bring 4 clovers to the blacksmith, for reasons".

 

[Death Panda]

Let's use an example that is fresh on my mind: in the game Mai and the Legendary Treasure, my MC has been raped a dozen times over, yet she cannot engage in willing prostitution because she needs to do some random quest before consensual sex is ok for her, even after having non-con a million times before.

Or what about Flash Cycling? You get strangers groping and cumming over you in public, but need to grind random events and races before you can go out and go around without wearing a jersey, even when she's mentioned enjoying being watched by others.

How are these examples? Whoring yourself out is obviously more corrupt than being raped, going out in public with tits out is more corrupt than being groped. It sounds like you just don't like the fact that games are gamified.

 

[Satori6]

going out in public with tits out is more corrupt than being groped.

Having a stranger cum on your naked body on the street is more corrupt than going out without a jersey (I didn't mention with exposed tits - taking the bra off requires even more events before that's unlocked).

You sound more interested in being right than in participating in a conversation, so I won't bother replying to you anymore.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

Well, first of all, it's a sexual fantasy, it's not entirely grounded in reality. To give a similar example, many women enjoy rape fantasies, yet if you actually go ask real women who were raped, their testimonies would be negative.

And second, yes, there is generally a progression. Of course it's not universal! But in my experience, kissing and hand holding came before sex, and exploration of fetishes came after that.

There are, of course, some cultural oddities here and there. If a culture fetishizes female virginity, there's the infamous poophole loophole, so anal comes before vaginal inercourse. Or kissing, some view it more intimate than just penetrative sex. But that's not negating the fact that in the context of one person there is no "progression". It only becomes a problem in a game when there are multiple girls and they ALL follow the same path to a t.

 

[Death Panda]

You sound more interested in being right than in participating in a conversation, so I won't bother replying to you anymore.

That's rich coming from the guy calling the fetish he wants to have a "conversation" about "grooming."

 

[woody554]

you're confusing corruption with normal voluntary sexual experience. when someone starts from anal it's what they want/choose, there's no corruption involved. but when someone is manipulated into doing something they'd NEVER want to do, that's corruption.

in other words: you don't become a bdsm-aficionado gangbang slut because you were corrupted, you become it because those things interested you and always drew you in. where as a corrupted nun becomes a bdsm gangbang slut because after enough abuse and rape she breaks mentally and gets tired of resisting.

in the first example you're still a healthy sane person in the end, in the second example you're a broken husk of fuck-meat who does what they're told. very different, opposites even.

 

[Kamishirov]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the game Degrees of Lewdity not have a linear corruption mechanism?

Seems to me that that game has a randomized corrupting factor based on "luck". Granted, things do get worse but you can have a cock up your ass almost immediately.

 

[Satori6]

you're confusing corruption with normal voluntary sexual experience. when someone starts from anal it's what they want/choose, there's no corruption involved. but when someone is manipulated into doing something they'd NEVER want to do, that's corruption.

in other words: you don't become a bdsm-aficionado gangbang slut because you were corrupted, you become it because those things interested you and always drew you in. where as a corrupted nun becomes a bdsm gangbang slut because after enough abuse and rape she breaks mentally and gets tired of resisting.

in the first example you're still a healthy sane person in the end, in the second example you're a broken husk of fuck-meat who does what they're told. very different, opposites even.

You are completely right. I like this way of looking at it.

 

[Satori6]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the game Degrees of Lewdity not have a linear corruption mechanism?

Seems to me that that game has a randomized corrupting factor based on "luck". Granted, things do get worse but you can have a cock up your ass almost immediately.

Kind of - you can literally get raped in the tutorial, but a lot of the events (the consensual/player-initiated ones) follow a linear path. Exhibitionist events, for example.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

Having a stranger cum on your naked body on the street is more corrupt than going out without a jersey

That depends on the specifics of the scene, but the way you described that example it sounds like no, it isn't.

Corruption is about willingness to transgress. Being sexually assaulted is not a corrupt act. It's not an act at all. If someone gets groped against their desire they aren't corrupted, they are just a victim, corruption level 0. Zero.

 

[Living In A Lewd World]

you're confusing corruption with normal voluntary sexual experience. when someone starts from anal it's what they want/choose, there's no corruption involved. but when someone is manipulated into doing something they'd NEVER want to do, that's corruption.

in other words: you don't become a bdsm-aficionado gangbang slut because you were corrupted, you become it because those things interested you and always drew you in. where as a corrupted nun becomes a bdsm gangbang slut because after enough abuse and rape she breaks mentally and gets tired of resisting.

in the first example you're still a healthy sane person in the end, in the second example you're a broken husk of fuck-meat who does what they're told. very different, opposites even.

I wouldn't see it that way. Corruption still involves the pleasure on the side of the corrupted person in the final stadium. The corrupted person wants to do lewd things on her/his own (or in case of an actual submissive person want to be told to do lewd things).

A person that is broken through rape and abuse instead would still only do it to avoid punishment, not because she/he enjoys it. That would count for me as non-con, but not as corruption.

At least for me a very important difference as I enjoy corruption, but not non-con.

I know that there are corruption games, that use rape or abuse as means of corruption, where persons basically get traumatized and finally say things like: "Oh yeah it was great that you raped me, as I enjoy sex now so much more.". That's also nothing, I like.

There are way better means to convey corruption that I enjoy as e.g. (monetary) incentives, role model effect, etc... . Basically games, where the corrupted learns to enjoy something she never thought she could enjoy, because she/he isn't broken and traumatized but has rather to overwind personal inhibitions and prejudices on her/his way to lewdity.

 

[Satori6]

That depends on the specifics of the scene, but the way you described that example it sounds like no, it isn't.

Corruption is about willingness to transgress. Being sexually assaulted is not a corrupt act. It's not an act at all. If someone gets groped against their desire they aren't corrupted, they are just a victim, corruption level 0. Zero.

She isn't sexually assaulted in that other scenario. She willingly lets the stranger masturbate with and cum on her naked body in public, but she cannot remove clothes until some other conditions are met.

 

[anne O'nymous]

[...] going out in public with tits out is more corrupt than being groped.

Exhibitionists highly disagree with you. Go to a nudist beach and starts to grope peoples, you'll see that it's not how corruption works.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

Corruption of being groped without consent != corruption of groping other non-consenting people

The latter is a very high value, DUH.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Corruption of being groped without consent != corruption of groping other non-consenting people

To paraphrase you, reading != understanding...

My point was that the corruption value depend on the person, and not on the act.
For an exhibitionist there's no shame, nor corruption value, in the fact to show your body. What doesn't mean that they would let someone grope them.

And to explain this, I used the quoted sentence, pretending that showing your boobs is more corrupted than accepting to be groped, as example. If effectively the first one was more corrupted, then any nudist would agree to be groped, what isn't the case.