Java Lilith's Throne [v0.4.9.9] [Innoxia]

[jfmherokiller]

You changed it so it unpacks files into the home directory and not the EXE location? So, you made it worse? There's a reason indie devs, especially lewd game devs, don't make their games clutter up your computer. It should be one folder to delete or move with no hassle if you want to.

the only ones i really allow to clutter the os are either CoCX (because it runs on flash and the flash runtime dumps the sol files in a flash specific location) or TiTS/CoC2 which either dump thier image pack in a special location or due to thier chromeness they dump thier data files in a very chromeish location.

However I must add that its possible to redirect the applications to store thier stuff in a nearby folder via dll hijacking but setting that up is a bit of a mess.

I will add tho if you want an example of this redirection in practice you can checkout sandboxie. (Its what i use to avoid my pc cleaning app wiping out saves of games like CoCX.)

 

[Lure of Chaos]

You changed it so it unpacks files into the home directory and not the EXE location? So, you made it worse? There's a reason indie devs, especially lewd game devs, don't make their games clutter up your computer. It should be one folder to delete or move with no hassle if you want to.

I changed this because generally that's the only writable cross platform location. I've intended to not unpack at all, but jrt:jar: is not supported.

 

[StapleComm]

There is another game called Degrees of Lewdity that's alright but it's whole gameplay loop revolves around:
>go outside
>get raped
>rinse and repeat your entire playthrough

wow this is a gross mischaracterisation not gonna lie

 

[AssgoreDreemurr]

I'm the same kind of sucker for games like these too so we're in the same boats of ideal taste's, Lilith's throne is absolute peak for me at this time simply because of how it presents itself with the freedom given, customisation options and absolute power you have given enough time in a playthrough, I haven't played BDCC because personally Anthropomorphic animals aren't my cup of tea in the porn game sphere (No offense to the furry fandom!)

There is another game called Degrees of Lewdity that's alright but it's whole gameplay loop revolves around:
>go outside
>get raped
>rinse and repeat your entire playthrough
Absolutely no options (or just very few if any) to be dominant in every sexual scenario presented within that game.
Maybe some day there will be a Lilith's Throne successor, that or Innoxia finally gets the game done; I'm fine with whatever option comes first.

Degrees of Lewdity would be nice if it had dominant options.
I really feel like everybody would like there to be more games like Lilith's Throne with great character creation and randomly generated npcs.

It's just so fun being able to customize your character so much and make different builds on them + with randomly generated npcs you always meet something new.(Bonus points if the game allows you to get insanely big boobs,asses and dicks since I kinda like hyper also extra bonus points if you can be a futa)

Not really sure why nobody has made a similar game.(Probably because it would take alot of time to develop?? I have no idea im not a game developer)

 

[sergemenog]

Since we are recommending text games to each other... Why does no one recommend roleplaying with AI? Yes, it may take a few tries and errors to find a frontend and backend that works for you, but in the end you will have a text game with ANY fetish/setting/story/character you can imagine. TBH text games are obsolete, just roleplay with your AI overlord.

 

[BaloneyAmone]

Since we are recommending text games to each other... Why does no one recommend roleplaying with AI? Yes, it may take a few tries and errors to find a frontend and backend that works for you, but in the end you will have a text game with ANY fetish/setting/story/character you can imagine. TBH text games are obsolete, just roleplay with your AI overlord.

Because the current textgen models are either 1) garbage, 2) unfeasible to run without expensive hardware, 3) subscription-based paid and generally monitored services, 4) restrictive of NSFW content, or some combination of all four of those points. It's also dramatically more work than simply playing a video game made by a human being to be played by other human beings.

 

[Fiamos]

Since we are recommending text games to each other... Why does no one recommend roleplaying with AI? Yes, it may take a few tries and errors to find a frontend and backend that works for you, but in the end you will have a text game with ANY fetish/setting/story/character you can imagine. TBH text games are obsolete, just roleplay with your AI overlord.

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[Jinsem]

Aw now abandoned.

 

[Aazkaal]

Aw now abandoned.

It got marked as abandoned for having no updates or even "still alive, just lazy" posts for 6 months. Inno recently did crawl out of her lair to promise update "soon', as far as I know, but the tag would stay on until that update actually drops, as per site rules.

 

[Jinsem]

It got marked as abandoned for having no updates or even "still alive, just lazy" posts for 6 months. Inno recently did crawl out of her lair to promise update "soon', as far as I know, but the tag would stay on until that update actually drops, as per site rules.

Thanks, I was actually looking for an update when the tag made my heart stop for a split second.
I am in love with this game, its on the right track for me.

 

[johnysanchez01]

wow this is a gross mischaracterisation not gonna lie

I'd say the general sentiment is right. Most of the sexual encounters involve you being attacked, and you pretty much are always non-dominant which kind of limits the gameplay experiences IMO.

 

[_Metamorphosis_]

Hopefully BDCC wont get abandoned like Lilith's Throne, the customization is really good although it can probably get even better later on since the game is in early development.

Tbf the game does have an ending, a lot of the developer commentary is pretty much "I had this idea that I might focus later, give me heads up of what you think of that", Alex and Hypnovision update got added like 50 days ago and it was pretty fucking good and iirc Rahi is adding a new slavery-esque system, not to mention the two routes that are planned ot be expanded (Switch and Dom)

I think the only confirmed content that won't be expanded upon is the Dragacat girl because that not Rahi's original creation with the person who actually made the OC asking to not do anything with her.

I think BDCC is much less likely to get abandoned because it has a far smaller scope and it's pretty much like 4 "regions" (engineer, cells, nursery, garden) , it's more like just adding NPCS and new systems to compensate for the rather small size of the map.

 

[Recurracy]

wow this is a gross mischaracterisation not gonna lie

My generalisation of DOL is anything but a Gross mischaracterisation. The tutorial NPC features you getting attacked; after that it's everyone and their mothers (plus fathers) on the streets giving you looks, attempting to grope and forcibly fuck you against your will, the only time's where you have a modicum of control is with named NPC's even then they're still doing the heavy lifting during sex scenes, forcing their chests on your mouth, putting fingers everywhere etc. It's just not as fun and intuitive as Lilith's Throne.

 

[StapleComm]

I'd say the general sentiment is right. Most of the sexual encounters involve you being attacked, and you pretty much are always non-dominant which kind of limits the gameplay experiences IMO.

General sentiment yes, but the game is a lot more than "get raped lol"

 

[a1fox3]

It seems like this thread is getting way off base and may be this convo needs to be move to the "https://f95zone.to/forums/general-discussions.9/" area.

 

[AssgoreDreemurr]

My generalisation of DOL is anything but a Gross mischaracterisation. The tutorial NPC features you getting attacked; after that it's everyone and their mothers (plus fathers) on the streets giving you looks, attempting to grope and forcibly fuck you against your will, the only time's where you have a modicum of control is with named NPC's even then they're still doing the heavy lifting during sex scenes, forcing their chests on your mouth, putting fingers everywhere etc. It's just not as fun and intuitive as Lilith's Throne.

Gotta love how even when you're stronger and better than a npc in every way yet they can still rape you.(It's extremely weird you cant overpower weaker npcs and fuck them)

DOL wont get any dominant content ever since the game is focused on submissive content, which is extremely dissapointing since the game would definitely be even more liked if it had dominant options.(Although it's still doing really good in terms of popularity and support even with only sub content)

 

[sergemenog]

Because the current textgen models are either 1) garbage, 2) unfeasible to run without expensive hardware, 3) subscription-based paid and generally monitored services, 4) restrictive of NSFW content, or some combination of all four of those points. It's also dramatically more work than simply playing a video game made by a human being to be played by other human beings.

Your points are valid, but tottaly avoidable with enough dgging in the subject.
For example, I have potato PC and I'm broke, but with SillyTavern + KoboldHorde I'm able to get access to pretty good models without censore for tottaly free. Only downside I have is that good models might not always be available, but since it's free I'm fine with skipping a day or two.
About bigger amount of work you right, but result is also bigger. Instead of someone else's sick fantasies, you are exploring your own, creating stories/settings/worlds you are deeply invested in, improving your writing, language and AI prompting skills, etc. I started using LLM about a year ago and I can't write shit in English, it took me about half an hour for a single reply, but it was still worth it for me.

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1) I started my journey with AIDungeon, and although I was impressed at the time, the quality of the answers is very bad. I don't know if it's better now, but back then it was on the level of a 3b model... like, a proof of concept, but not an actual product.
2) I have not personally tried NovelAI, but from other people I get the impression that even their paid model is just a heavily fine-tuned 13b lamma2 - usable, but not very good.
3) Had several memorable conversations with CharacterAI about half a year ago, it felt smart then, but now I can say that its quality was less than the quality of 70b lamma2, plus it censored AF. Can't recommend it.

In summary, in my opinion, the Horde has much better options for free than these sites offer for money. And if you are able to pay, you are better off using services that just offer open source models as the backend and use SillyTavern as the frontend. That way, all your worlds and characters will be on your PC, independent from the whims of the service provider.

 

[johnysanchez01]

after that it's everyone and their mothers (plus fathers) on the streets giving you looks, attempting to grope and forcibly fuck you against your will

It's basically this scene from John Wick 2 where everyone out in public turns out to be an assassin trying to kill him, except with rape.

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[jfmherokiller]

Your points are valid, but tottaly avoidable with enough dgging in the subject.
For example, I have potato PC and I'm broke, but with SillyTavern + KoboldHorde I'm able to get access to pretty good models without censore for tottaly free. Only downside I have is that good models might not always be available, but since it's free I'm fine with skipping a day or two.
About bigger amount of work you right, but result is also bigger. Instead of someone else's sick fantasies, you are exploring your own, creating stories/settings/worlds you are deeply invested in, improving your writing, language and AI prompting skills, etc. I started using LLM about a year ago and I can't write shit in English, it took me about half an hour for a single reply, but it was still worth it for me.

1) I started my journey with AIDungeon, and although I was impressed at the time, the quality of the answers is very bad. I don't know if it's better now, but back then it was on the level of a 3b model... like, a proof of concept, but not an actual product.
2) I have not personally tried NovelAI, but from other people I get the impression that even their paid model is just a heavily fine-tuned 13b lamma2 - usable, but not very good.
3) Had several memorable conversations with CharacterAI about half a year ago, it felt smart then, but now I can say that its quality was less than the quality of 70b lamma2, plus it censored AF. Can't recommend it.

In summary, in my opinion, the Horde has much better options for free than these sites offer for money. And if you are able to pay, you are better off using services that just offer open source models as the backend and use SillyTavern as the frontend. That way, all your worlds and characters will be on your PC, independent from the whims of the service provider.

sir you are forgetting many of us just find it way easier to play/work on a game like Liliths throne or CoC1 or CoC2 or TiTS or even FS instead of fighting with a magical AI machine to get what we want. Plus those AI things require constant Internet access while these games can be played offline. Plus on top of that it is fundamentally much easier to commission an artist/writer to get what we want usually then going to war with a censored messy AI.

But to wrap this back around to Liliths throne I do hope that the new forks discussed will preserve the story (to a point) and furry friendly content while also avoiding possible pitfalls of allegedly chris hansen content. (remember rule 7)

 

[TheeSonus]

On the topic of the AIs being discussed - PygmalionAI hasn't steered me wrong once so far, so I'd suggest looking it up. AFAIK it's completely open source, absolutely free, and made by people burnt by said shitty AIs.
I'm aware this is probably considered off-topic (if you're reading this, hi mods, hope you're having a good day) but figured I should share an actually good alternative that's super easy to work with and available to basically anyone. Civic duty, or something along those lines.

On the topic of LT, since I have no clue what to say, I suppose I'll just rant a little bit. I love the idea of this game, I just hate the implementation. It has so much potential to be so good, but it just ends up falling flat. I appreciate Lure of Chaos, the absolute mad man who's took it upon himself to basically rewrite the entire fuckin thing from scratch to hammer out the spaghetti code issues, but I don't know if this game will ever live up to what it could be without leaving Innoxia's hands. I mean, for real. How long has this game been in development? And how much does it genuinely have to show for it?

• A (somewhat interesting, admittedly) story that's been left as a stillborn
• A far too specific transformation system (Is there anyone who genuinely cares about specifically picking the colors of their asshole, and having a separate color for the inside of it too? As well as having a separate color for the inside of their throat?)
• An utterly deserted "open world" (Bethesda's got nothing on this)
• A second town filled with nothing but cardboard cut-outs
• And a sex system that's (please forgive me for this phrase as I know it's extremely overused) "wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle".

The fact we have the Abandoned tag on this thread just goes to show exactly how little Innoxia can be bothered to do.
It just... honestly it makes me sad. At some points I wish Inno never even made the game in the first place. Maybe then someone better would have thought of it. Maybe it wouldn't have been thought of at all and I wouldn't have to feel like this.