Unity Cloud Meadow [v0.2.0.0a Patreon] [Team Nimbus]

[ejmuerte]

Not sure how you got the three times as long. BS started development in 2013, went on patreon in 2014 and stopped in 2016. CM started after that, and has since been going for 3 years.
I agree with you though that their earnings are certainly more than with an up-front kickstarter.

BS started 2013? im not sure with that dude but there first blogpost was march 1, 2013 and the alpha version was 3.1.
im guessing BS started 2012

 

[LastPleasure]

Complete trash, this will never get to a state where u can enjoy it, the devs are slow af, should be abbadoned, no joke

 

[pjpersson]

read what I wrote. I never said that the game right now is good. I think that it has the potential to become great and I genuinely believe the devs are well-intentioned, and trying to make the game good.

I dislike the unnecessary hate they are getting, and called some people out on it, especially the breeding season comparison.
People can be critical of something and still call others out for being overly critical.

If the devs are well-intentioned and trying to make the game good maybe they should start removing bugs like what other games does. Some times i can't even finish a level because of bugs and seriously it is getting really annoying right now.

If they do not want to be compared to BS maybe they should not have destroyed it to begin with. So they do not get unnecessary hate they get the hate they deserve. Not to mention BS work a lot better than MC is doing right now.

 

[jayjaymax]

When the game is done, it'll be cool if we could 'export' monsters to an image file so that it can be traded/shared with others who can them import the monster into their game (Assuming we can pass on traits and generate unique monsters via breeding)

 

[GRimmyGamezer]

new build of the game v0.0.3.12b

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[Judge Heath]

When the game is done, it'll be cool if we could 'export' monsters to an image file so that it can be traded/shared with others who can them import the monster into their game (Assuming we can pass on traits and generate unique monsters via breeding)

Hmmm... might have to give this a shot. I'll talk with kodex about it.

Nah I didn't forget, the bend over part is exclusive for those paying for these updates

Wouldn't be any updates if people didn't pay for it fam. We gotta eat too.

 

[GRimmyGamezer]

the new build of the game v0.0.3.12c

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[Daehorn]

I like Cloud Meadows. I like games with management of monsters, elements of RPG and breeding. But what i seen in next versions make me dissapointed. Developers needs to make that game bug free. Recipes for food shoud have automation when found and cooked. Exploring dungeons gives to little income, and items are standard from shops. And last thing. More scenes with your pupils! Variation brings happines!
In game i breeded fantastic centaur-girl and wolf-girl. These women were living massacre weapons. But meagre skills of protagonist make progress little slower. In that regards maybe little more "exchangable" skills shoud be added. Like trap digging, shovel throwing or ofensive massage. Please do not expand other mechanics to much. Polish existing thing because i believe that Cloud Meadows IS GREAT GAME. Do not destroy that with complicated but not complete new mechanics. Add some scenes in dungeons, balance income from farming and dungeonering and i will sing praises for you for eternity.

 

[N3rfus1]

anyone know how to bang/marry NPC's or is that not implemented yet?

 

[guettage]

loosing breeding seasons to this
i just cannot play proprely there is too much bugs

 

[MonsterV]

it's gonna be really interesting how you guys justify these attitudes when we actually fully launch and prove all of these scummy rumors about our integrity false.

Holy shit do you really believe this?
HAHHAHAHAHA!!!!
thats fucking hilarious!!!! The fucking gall for you to throw this bullshit right to our faces, we aren't fucking dumb you know, we havent forgotten how this project started and its previous iteration ended
How fucking dare you after so much money you and your goddamn team made people waste for smoke and mirrors even after i think 7 years
If you think you can come here and spew this revisionist bullshit then you have another thing coming "judge"

 

[mikeqb]

duly noted.


Because we thought we could deliver it all at one time. All of us were veterans of game design to one degree or another, but few of us had direct experience at top level, from the beginning to the end planning or realistic projections.

I'd also argue that the quality of our combat has gone way up recently and we're still in the process of tweaking it.

The combat wasn't ever what ate up most of our budget, it was the animation. Around 50% of our budget at any time is, in some way, devoted to art.

More programmers wouldn't help really, if we got them, it would have resulted in a loss of animation speed and quality more likely than anything else.

We can't pay people less than what they need to survive on while focusing ENTIRELY on our game, and nothing else. People who are concerned about survival will deprioritize anything that does not provide them with the means to survive. That's why paying people a high wage compared to the standards of indie erodev, in our minds, is critical. Games implode more often because someone critical was forced to leave just to put food on the table than because of any other reason after all.

Now, to bring it back around to scope. That's honestly on us. We got over ambitious as fuck, and we decided to commit to it and just muscle through and work steadily on improving quality as we went. It's a strategy that has worked so far. Our next game, whatever it is, is definitely going to be significantly more limited in scope with fewer moving parts though.

Again, remember how I said we realized we only had one shot at it? We figured, and still do figure, that there's only so much of the promised scope we can cut. It's the design spiral and all that. Sunk cost etc. The point being we're already close to the finish line and right now we're entering polish in a big way.

Game dev is ideally a 5 stage process.

1) You make the tools to make the game
2) You add in mechanics
3) You test mechanics until they function properly (this lasts the longest normally)
4) You put meat on the bones
5) You polish everything.

We've been in stage 3 for the longest time and we entirely skipped stage 1, which has prolonged stage 3 enormously.

okay thank you for the thorough response.

 

[ejmuerte]

if this game reaches 10 yrs+ but still in early access form both steam and patreon, i am not suprised.

Judge, people on steam can be very impatiently to wait on whats next content release and fixing bugs those people who will post their bug errors on your forums.

can you really handle the pressure on forums like these? and if people are starting to get mad on your game and started posted on different websites like on 4chan, Reddit or any other forum websites because you better work on those contents and mainly focus on them or else more backlash from your "team hard work effort", even if you have a stable income doesn't mean you can slack off a finished 1 major/minor part work in the game.

and if you think that steam is a safe haven for milking money machine in an early access game because its not, people make reviews on how you update your game content and people will start make suspicions on how is your team doing your "hardwork effort" especially when you have previous controversy.

because you have STEPPED the MOST EXPLOSIVE LANDMINE in the game market because STEAM is a FKING SHITSTORM i mean it creates a lot even MORE controversies, stories from steam internet like the Digital Homicide dev team for example, and not just that more people on steam will warn new users on reviews, if u dare make bot accounts forcibly making positive reviews you'll get backlash, if u dare ban a user for reasonable critic review you'll get backlash and expose.

but it looks like you ready for it.... i hope.... xD

you know...

quote and quote "stories from the internet NEVER forgets because it STAYS on the internet"

EDIT: 1 more thing if you ABANDON/CANCEL your game both patreon and steam, people will never forget on what have you done.

 

[Judge Heath]

We plan on treating steam not as a method of raising revenue, but of raising awareness. If anything steam is going to cause some cannibalization of our patronage to a certain extent.

We also plan on only putting up bug free builds (which we've had a few of those historically speaking), to avoid that issue entirely.

We see steam EA as a method of advertising the existence of the game more than anything else. Monstergirl Island saw an increase of something like 2-500% hits in viewership or something, let alone patronage, when they made a steam port.

I hope that helps explain our reasoning behind going to steam.

 

[dusty stu]

"Talk to Minerva at the port"
I must be a fucking neanderthal, because I have no idea how to do this. Halp!

 

[N3rfus1]

"Talk to Minerva at the port"
I must be a fucking neanderthal, because I have no idea how to do this. Halp!

You know when you begin the game and you talk to Jubelle and that very tall bird lady? Yeah go there and talk to her.

 

[Redanon]

Alright Heath let me ask you a couple of things.

First off why did it take 3 years for you and the team to learn the dungeon wasn't going to work? This is 3 years of wasted effort not to mention you have 0 workable dungeons because of this and a ton of wasted time for the programmers having to fix bugs for something that won't even be usable anymore. This should have been fixed a year ago this is incompetence to the fullest degree especially for a so called group of "veterans".

Second why is S-Purple reworking character art? This is another problem that breeding season had where S would redraw character art and it would need to be re animated several times over. He's wasting time considering he had to hire another artist for tile assests because your group is so far behind. Having over a 100 characters is not a selling point, Undertale and Indivisible both are indie games with less and have better characters.

The game is as someone said before "a mile wide and an inch deep" there is a bunch of features but little depth to them. For starters the RPG style combat lacks any thought its just atk and heal no planning nothing, farming lacks compared to dedicated farming games, breeding is great but you guys still refuse to acknowledge it in game. All these features ended up bloating the game the exact opposite way of BS.

Going into the games writing who wrote this? The writing feels like a nintendo game rated "E" for everyone this is a porn game no matter how you spin it. There are no swears in game the last time i played it which seems weird for something intended for adults. I remember you stating that at some point you were looking to include smut writing, but obviously a lie.

I highly doubt the game is coming out next year especially since you are still so far behind between the remaining dungeons that need to be drawn, the cities still need to be finished, story elements, and game balancing this game is at least 2 years away from being done and im sure you're here to put out fires before they start.

 

[MonsterV]

Alright Heath let me ask you a couple of things.

First off why did it take 3 years for you and the team to learn the dungeon wasn't going to work? This is 3 years of wasted effort not to mention you have 0 workable dungeons because of this and a ton of wasted time for the programmers having to fix bugs for something that won't even be usable anymore. This should have been fixed a year ago this is incompetence to the fullest degree especially for a so called group of "veterans".

Second why is S-Purple reworking character art? This is another problem that breeding season had where S would redraw character art and it would need to be re animated several times over. He's wasting time considering he had to hire another artist for tile assests because your group is so far behind. Having over a 100 characters is not a selling point, Undertale and Indivisible both are indie games with less and have better characters.

The game is as someone said before "a mile wide and an inch deep" there is a bunch of features but little depth to them. For starters the RPG style combat lacks any thought its just atk and heal no planning nothing, farming lacks compared to dedicated farming games, breeding is great but you guys still refuse to acknowledge it in game. All these features ended up bloating the game the exact opposite way of BS.

Going into the games writing who wrote this? The writing feels like a nintendo game rated "E" for everyone this is a porn game no matter how you spin it. There are no swears in game the last time i played it which seems weird for something intended for adults. I remember you stating that at some point you were looking to include smut writing, but obviously a lie.

I highly doubt the game is coming out next year especially since you are still so far behind between the remaining dungeons that need to be drawn, the cities still need to be finished, story elements, and game balancing this game is at least 2 years away from being done and im sure you're here to put out fires before they start.

His intention here is to properly "educate" US because of SO many disinformation going around... meaning debunk easy questions and spun other events as us just not understanding their work and slander/trolling while ignoring the harder questions and direct questioning

 

[Judge Heath]

Alright Heath let me ask you a couple of things.

First off why did it take 3 years for you and the team to learn the dungeon wasn't going to work? This is 3 years of wasted effort not to mention you have 0 workable dungeons because of this and a ton of wasted time for the programmers having to fix bugs for something that won't even be usable anymore. This should have been fixed a year ago this is incompetence to the fullest degree especially for a so called group of "veterans".

Because we've spent less than maybe 100 hours total on dungeons in terms of programming according to Kodex. The vast majority of work in the game has gone into the farming, breeding, traits, inventory, time, pathing, and combat systems. For reference, 166.6666666 paid hours per month (8 hours, every 5 days, making 40 hours a week, and then a little extra to bring the pay cap up to $3000.00 USD per person) per person. Dungeons represent an area that has -always- been very glossed over in terms of work put into them because 90% of the coding work on them has been Kodex making bounding boxes I believe.

Kodex should be making an account soon to answer any programming questions.

Ursa has been the one working on combat, and working on it exclusively.

Second why is S-Purple reworking character art? This is another problem that breeding season had where S would redraw character art and it would need to be re animated several times over. He's wasting time considering he had to hire another artist for tile assests because your group is so far behind. Having over a 100 characters is not a selling point, Undertale and Indivisible both are indie games with less and have better characters.

Actually most of his work is on the tile rework himself, while Atnas is still on standby for assisting with touchups, the primary tile reworks and dungeon redesigns (which should be public on our patreon by now) are all Spurple.

To answer your actual question though. Both me and Dieselbrain sit down with Spurple any time he wants to redesign a character from scratch and have him break down to us what is wrong with it and what has to change. Then we work with him on whether or not it simply needs to be touched up, which has happened with several characters. In many cases what happens is that he uses his unpaid free time to work on them on the side (he tends to work anywhere between 12 and 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, no, nobody on the team is happy with this but short of flying to Israel and babysitting him there's not much we can do), and then he's 90% done he uses a few paid hours to finish it up.

The game is as someone said before "a mile wide and an inch deep" there is a bunch of features but little depth to them. For starters the RPG style combat lacks any thought its just atk and heal no planning nothing, farming lacks compared to dedicated farming games, breeding is great but you guys still refuse to acknowledge it in game. All these features ended up bloating the game the exact opposite way of BS.

Because when you build a game you get the features functioning and THEN add depth. We want to have all the features in before we start really messing around with expanding them and giving them greater depth. If you try to do both then you inevitably end up fucking up hardcore and having twice the number of bugs you have to fix, or obscuring the bugs entirely. So better to build a skeleton THEN lay down the meat and muscle on the bones, rather than trying to do both at once.

Going into the games writing who wrote this? The writing feels like a nintendo game rated "E" for everyone this is a porn game no matter how you spin it. There are no swears in game the last time i played it which seems weird for something intended for adults. I remember you stating that at some point you were looking to include smut writing, but obviously a lie.

Several different people overtime. And 'looking to' does not mean 'absolutely will'. It's still on the agenda but at this rate will probably be added as a free update paradox style along one of the DLCs we'll be making after the full release of the game. There'll be more smutty writing when the actual romance sequences go down obviously, and the intent for what we were 'looking' to add was more like 'The Argonian Maid' only fully explicit, books you could pick up in the game. They still might make it into the final release but it's by no means garunteed, nor has it ever been.

I highly doubt the game is coming out next year especially since you are still so far behind between the remaining dungeons that need to be drawn, the cities still need to be finished, story elements, and game balancing this game is at least 2 years away from being done and im sure you're here to put out fires before they start.

If we are we are. I hope you're wrong but I can't garuntee that you aren't. I've sure as fuck been wrong before in our timeline and goals, I was the one who set our original 2 year dead line and boy howdy did I screw up -that- prediction.

His intention here is to properly "educate" US because of SO many disinformation going around... meaning debunk easy questions and spun other events as us just not understanding their work and slander/trolling while ignoring the harder questions and direct questioning

Did you actually read the post that I cited as getting me to actually subject myself to this? Did you actually read my response to it? It's back on page 91 if you need a refresher on what people were saying about our income levels and patronage. You can be snide all you like but there was some blatant bullshit being spread around here.

But please, ask me the 'hard' questions if you like. So far I've been answering all of the ones thrown at me, and you're welcome to throw more.

 

[KodexKommander]

First off why did it take 3 years for you and the team to learn the dungeon wasn't going to work? This is 3 years of wasted effort not to mention you have 0 workable dungeons because of this and a ton of wasted time for the programmers having to fix bugs for something that won't even be usable anymore. This should have been fixed a year ago this is incompetence to the fullest degree especially for a so called group of "veterans".

I looked through the amount of time that the programmers spent on dungeon code itself. It was about 100 hours, given the 40 hour work week we spent roughly 2 and 1/4 weeks on it.

The game is as someone said before "a mile wide and an inch deep" there is a bunch of features but little depth to them.

If you could provide more feedback on what you think is wrong. I understand that something can "lack depth", but I would like to know what exactly you think lacks depth and any suggestions you may have. I read all feedback and try to apply it as well as having 1000s of hours in farming games to try and improve the aspects of the game I work on.

farming lacks compared to dedicated farming games, breeding is great but you guys still refuse to acknowledge it in game.

Could you elaborate on your thoughts? Knowing what the exactly the issues are help a lot, because I can design a way to improve them, if you want to provide feedback and suggestions of how a mechanic or feature should work like please let us know. I read every single piece of feedback given.

I highly doubt the game is coming out next year especially since you are still so far behind between the remaining dungeons that need to be drawn, the cities still need to be finished, story elements, and game balancing this game is at least 2 years away from being done and im sure you're here to put out fires before they start.

As Heath has said before the features are the bulk of the work, story related content is much easier to add. Given a recent example adding the dialogue to Beck the little guy in the blue liner took roughly 15 minutes. While say the Job Board took 1-2 weeks.

Developers needs to make that game bug free.

We are working on this, I made changes to how we tackle bugs and making a build, currently the in-development build has about a full page of bug fixes and I haven't release a hotfix yet because I want to make sure we test it and make a greater effort to release bug-free builds. I understand how frusterating bugs are, I am mad at myself as much as you are mad at us for having bugs in the game.

Recipes for food shoud have automation when found and cooked.

Cooking will have automation with your monsters being able to cook in future versions of the game.

Exploring dungeons gives to little income

When the new dungeon system come into the game, the balance of them will be better and the content will be more fun.