A misconception of Netorare/NTR fans (A must read to all Vanilla/Harem fans)

[Deleted member 8704544]

First of all, I'd like to clarify that Netorare/NTR fans ≠ Netorase/NTS fans. NTR fans are mostly the ones who enjoy the corruption of the female protagonist from the POV of the main protagonist, which also gives them the chance to see some hidden/oblivious NTR scenes. On the other hand, NTS fans are what you’d call cuckold/cucks by definition. They like it when their partner aka the female protagonist has a sexual relationship with another person. They’re fully willing to share their partner and want to be humiliated. They self-insert into the male and are submissive to both the partner in infidelity and the one doing the cucking.



There’s a broad misconception that NTR fans are the cucks, and that’s just not true. NTS fans are the real cucks. Let me clarify that - NTR fans, the ones who also self-insert into the male protagonist to see the female protagonist’s sexual relationship, would either experience a breakup, get ghosted by her, or in rare cases, have the protagonist accept it and somehow enjoy it. The first two fall under NTR. The last one is NTS. Then there’s another term - Netori, which is basically the one who does the cucking. In this case, you play as the person who takes someone else’s partner. You might as well call yourself the bully.



Now here’s where the stereotypes about NTR fans come in. People start saying stuff like “Oh this is enjoyable because it’s humiliating.”, “This fetish is about eroticizing shame. This is not normal.”, etc. They start talking about how cuckoldry takes deep insecurities and then sexualizes them. Like, watching your partner with someone else while being there and orchestrating the whole thing is supposed to be some mental masochism. But NO! That’s not Netorare/NTR. That’s Netorase/NTS. They are willing cucks who want it. We NTR fans are not like them!

Would you (Vanilla/Harem fans) like it if people said all of you are into incest just because 90% of those stories involve siblings tropes? No, right? Same thing here. The stereotype being thrown at NTR fans is just dumb and needs to stop. Also, I’ll bet my life that like 95–98% of NTR fans would gladly self-insert as the bull, if the bull has a decent personality. Now, some of you might say, “Well if that’s the case, why not just consume Netori stuff? Isn’t it the same?” No. Like I said earlier, only NTR gives that oblivious/hidden feeling that is intriguing and hot. Netorase can try it too, but it’s always conscious and known to the male protagonist. In NTR, it’s not. That mystery and tension is what makes it special. If you still don’t get it, try going through this

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. Your doubts will be cleared, and I guarantee you’ll think twice before calling an NTR fan a cuck ever again.

 

[prpa]

This is a prime example of mental gymnastics, an elaborate attempt to convince yourself that you're not a cuck, when the reality suggests otherwise.

But don't worry, no one will judge you here.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Does this count as popcorn worthy?

 

[soprano31]

Does this count as popcorn worthy ?

 

[Jaike]

A question. If you read Wuthering Heights, as an NTR (not NTS) fan, would you fap to Heathcliff?

 

[Helblau]

So I don't think I can classify my sexuality as either vanilla, harem or whatever else but I don't like NTR/NTS/Netori/Cheating. Anyway here's what I think:

The problem that I have with the claim that there is a "real cuckold/cuckquean" is that they are two sides of the same coin. Arousal stems from watching your partner get boned. Whether that is willingly or unwillingly, that's what both NTS and NTR consumers like to see and potentially deal with.

Both NTR and NTS consumers like sloppy seconds, both like watching their partner fuck someone else, both fap to the idea of handling a "ruined" partner after they've cheated or after you've "shared" them.

So while the difference is clear on paper, the actions that need to be taken in order to be aroused are the same. That's why I think NTR is just as much cuckoldry/cuckqueaning as NTS but with the addition that your partner is far more morally devious since it's not a mutual agreement (and I also consider sharing fucked up too already).

They're just trauma-bonded but it doesn't make them any less of a cuck. The way I see it, in NTR the cheating partner doesn't know that their partner is a cuck but unknowingly does what they like. That's it. The difference is awareness and the spectrum of denial/acceptance.

 

[XforU]

The poll looks a bit... one sided. Add a "I don't care" and a "No" or something.

From my Vanila perspective, I don't care.

 

[Mallicc]

Honestly this is perfect because this has been on my mind for a while. As I've come to understand that growing up means realizing that it was never the act of sex or seeing your partner sleeping with other people that makes NTR so anger inducing, but rather the lies and manipulation that often comes with it.

Like someone deciding to cheat for the sake of the relationship, you probably justify it by saying "As long as I'm dutiful and everyone is happy whats wrong with it?" It's because it was never my choice to make and all it's doing is making YOU happy, meanwhile I'm stuck living in something that isn't even real.

I'm forced to confront my own weakness and inability to get someone to love me for me and ask if she ever even cared for me in the first place or if I was just a convenience for her and even if she does love me, she didn't have the courage to be honest with me, probably wouldn't be ok with me sleeping around in turn and showing me that I was only just there to make her life easier and was never seen as anything more than that.

Which is why as bizarre as she is, a character that is honestly infamous and caught my eye is Haguhagu's "Sasha"

She is not only the village bicycle, but she also wears that fact with pride. And despite the fact that she can't seem to go 6 hours without something or someone between her legs, she's not malicious about it. She's upfront about it, while still making time for the MC(In the "SFW" version. I use that with so many air quotes) so he doesn't feel neglected and genuinely cares about him, kindred spirits as it were. Truth be told, she's such a good judge of character and so good at reading people, that I doubt she would even consider making the MC her primary partner if she didn't think he was into that sort of thing. She's a slut, but at least she's honest.

Meanwhile a lot of contemporary NTR focuses way too heavily on the betrayal and emotional trauma that kind of ends with the male either being weak or completely oblivious, while the female ends up seeming malicious or just a complete idiot who thought hiding getting blackmailed was a good idea.

Final note: I just can't help but find it ironic that this genre of all things shows an NTR relationship that's actually someone healthy.

 

[tanstaafl]

 

[tanstaafl]

Also, I would point out that if you like the corruption aspect and don't insert, it wouldn't matter which pov you watched the corruption from. Also, there are more corruption games than netorare games, so your argument doesn't really hold water.

We had this conversation back in April.

netorare just hits harder because of the betrayal and the gut punch it has (none of that lands the same in netori/netorase). when it’s the mc doing the cucking, it just turns into some goofy power trip or domination thing most of the time. which is so lame and boring

Yeah, because you're self inserting/projecting/empathizing/anything you want to call it. Every word you are using to describe what you think is literally about how you self insert.

Edit: And your poll sucks, add a no option.

 

[Deleted member 8704544]

Also, I would point out that if you like the corruption aspect and don't insert, it wouldn't matter which pov you watched the corruption from. Also, there are more corruption games than netorare games, so your argument doesn't really hold water.

We had this conversation back in April.


Edit: And your poll sucks, add a no option.

changed it, and again corruption only games wouldn't have any hidden/oblivious ntr scenes

 

[tanstaafl]

changed it, and again corruption only games wouldn't have any hidden/oblivious ntr scenes

I'm not arguing that, nor am I questioning what you like. I have only ever questioned one thing you have ever said...and that's that you don't insert.

 

[Deleted member 8704544]

I'm not arguing that, nor am I questioning what you like. I have only ever questioned one thing you have ever said...and that's that you don't insert.

yes, i don't. and when i do (in rare cases), i always choose not go towards ntr route (unless the game doesn't have any non-ntr route)

 

[hu lover]

ok, as to answering the pertinent question about Netorare its mostly based on a person's preference, however i would like to note and mention that to cater more towards users who prefer Netorare or don't prefer it just simply just add an option to allow the player to enable NTR or to disable NTR, that way it would create more balance. but that all depends on the game and whether or not the game supports such features.


Going to eat my popcorn because its getting cold for sitting too long, however there is an epistemological twist though. the popcorn i am eating is not from a theater, its homemade.

 

[Letstryitout]

Why can't you like enjoy the stuff you like, and not need to explain yourself? This whole post sound like an argument with yourself rather than educating others. And what others might tell you about what you like is irrelevant as they can't dictate anything about your preferences, nor should they "worry" about what you like.

 

[Deleted member 8704544]

Why can't you like enjoy the stuff you like, and not need to explain yourself? This whole post sound like an argument with yourself rather than educating others. And what others might tell you about what you like is irrelevant as they can't dictate anything about your preferences, nor should they "worry" about what you like.

i made this post to tell my fellow vanilla/harem fans to not hate/stereotype us (ntr fans) because this generalization is wrong and incorrect. i don't get why ntr fans get the hate instead of netorase/nts fans

 

[tanstaafl]

i made this post to tell my fellow vanilla/harem fans to not hate/stereotype us (ntr fans) because this generalization is wrong and incorrect. i don't get why ntr fans get the hate instead of netorase/nts fans

Look, I enjoy ntr myself at times, but I completely understand why ntr gets hate. What I don't understand is people who don't understand why people wouldn't like playing something that gamifies one of the most painful things a person can experience aside from death of a loved one. Think about it a little and I'm sure it'll come to you.

 

[Mallicc]

i made this post to tell my fellow vanilla/harem fans to not hate/stereotype us (ntr fans) because this generalization is wrong and incorrect. i don't get why ntr fans get the hate instead of netorase/nts fans

Because as I said before NTR focuses far too heavily on the emotional trauma and the weakness of the one getting cucked where as netorase everyone is onboard. Personally all NTR has done to me, is convince me that the question of cheating in a relationship is one of "When" not "If" I know its fiction and I shouldn't take it seriously, but when certain scenarios come dangerously close to how they potentially play out IRL, it's one of those things where you know there's always a chance it could happen, it might not, but it could and you can either let yourself get paranoid and overly controlling or accept that they eventually will(assuming they haven't already) and just enjoy the ride while it lasts.

NTR is just one of those things that despite being fiction hits a little too close to home, and you're forced to confront your own failure as a man for not being able to see yourself for the fool everyone else knows you are.

 

[Saerwen]

I'm a vanilla fan and I don't get your post at all.

 

[Saerwen]

A question. If you read Wuthering Heights, as an NTR (not NTS) fan, would you fap to Heathcliff?

Good question.