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reidanota

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high degree of mix between hetero and gay content confuses the player base--> non satisfactory and potential offensive to some...
please avoid choco-banana milk.
Not meaning to be adversarial, but I like the mix. A sandbox game where you can be a macho prince fucking the servant wenches most of the time, and yet having a secret fetish for crossdressing and being secretly fucked like a girl. Debauched like a young ancient roman patrician.

What I don't like is games that don't give you both. Vanilla macho games get old quickly and purely sissy/submissive cuckold games are unplayable (for me). Having separate paths, each catering to a specific fetish, and none for the adventurous, the mercurial, the neophile... Is a source of permanent frustration here at F95zone. Give me all of it on a big silver platter, I say!
 

Smallfrie

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Not meaning to be adversarial, but I like the mix. A sandbox game where you can be a macho prince fucking the servant wenches most of the time, and yet having a secret fetish for crossdressing and being secretly fucked like a girl. Debauched like a young ancient roman patrician.

What I don't like is games that don't give you both. Vanilla macho games get old quickly and purely sissy/submissive cuckold games are unplayable (for me). Having separate paths, each catering to a specific fetish, and none for the adventurous, the mercurial, the neophile... Is a source of permanent frustration here at F95zone. Give me all of it on a big silver platter, I say!
Well... openly bi ppl are rare... ppl that are not openly bi/gay but still bi/gay get offended...(a lot of anti LMBTQ activist come from then) :ROFLMAO: :sneaky:
It is not problem that it has both content .... the problem is that it is a high degree mix that can not be seperated... and the content is not satisfactory to most.:rolleyes::geek:
To make it simple for you:proper role play is impossible cause content is too mixed.
 

reidanota

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Well... openly bi ppl are rare... ppl that are not openly bi/gay but still bi/gay get offended...(a lot of anti LMBTQ activist come from then) :ROFLMAO: :sneaky:
It is not problem that it has both content .... the problem is that it is a high degree mix that can not be seperated... and the content is not satisfactory to most.:rolleyes::geek:
To make it simple for you:proper role play is impossible cause content is too mixed.
Not exactly bi, but I can enjoy almost all sorts of pervy content in games. (edit: I do feel like I owe a non-hate disclaimer to the lgbtq+ community, don't want to sound homophobe but I do want to emphasise that not only bi people can appreciate bi, gay, sissy content in games. In my case, I enjoy games with boundary crossing behaviour of all kinds - though less when it's a one-way crossing. I don't play games to watch a roleplayed biography of myself). Off-limits are scat, necro, hopelessly loser MCs and a few others. Personally, idgaf about anti-anything "activists", whether closeted or bigoted, and don't think game authors should either. Whining to authors that their requisites aren't fully satisfied sounds... childish?

Case in point, roleplay: I agree, some games create situations where too much liberty results in an undefined MC and a bland story, with no dynamics, but instead a salad of possibilities. I'm all for consequences, what I don't like is separate paths that follow specific "kinks" while excluding others. I understand that it's complicated, even more so in sandbox games, to have the game react to player actions without causing permanent shifts in the story. I think it's possible, but takes a really good coder and dedicated author. That's why the easiest way seems to be to allow for a defined MC, who can enjoy side-kicks now and then, or suffer a humiliating episode, with a good measure of shock and awe from witnesses or confidantes, to spice things up, but which doesn't make for a turning point that railroads the player into a different path, with no further escape routes.

Probably not the perfect example, but Fetish Locator comes closer to this, than most. It's a bit of a mix, admittedly, but still characterizes the MC as a mostly active male who can sometimes bottom to trans, or submit to femdom. The public pegging scene was hugely fun, with a sissygasm as the cherry on top. Only criticism is that, since the story follows a linear thread, they could have added more conditional scenes further on that played according to certain choices, such as mates picking on the MC after such displays. But that's just squeezing more juice out of it, the essential thing is that the ability to explore "side-kinks" is there, while the ability to refuse to do so is there as well, and none are tied to a rigid path.
 
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Smallfrie

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Not exactly bi here, but can enjoy almost all sorts of content in games. Off-limits are scat, necro, hopelessly loser MCs and a few others. Personally, idgaf about anti-anything "activists", whether closeted or bigoted, and don't think game authors should either. Whining to authors that their requisites aren't fully satisfied sounds... childish?

Case in point, roleplay: I agree, some games create situations where too much liberty results in an undefined MC and a bland story, with no dynamics, but instead a salad of possibilities. I'm all for consequences, what I don't like is separate paths that follow specific "kinks" while excluding others. I understand that it's complicated, even more so in sandbox games, to have the game react to player actions without causing permanent shifts in the story. I think it's possible, but takes a really good coder and dedicated author. That's why the easiest way seems to be to allow for a defined MC, who can enjoy side-kicks now and then, or suffer a humiliating episode, with a good measure of shock and awe from witnesses or confidantes, to spice things up, but which doesn't make for a turning point that railroads the player into a different path, with no further escape routes.

Probably not the perfect example, but Fetish Locator comes closer to this, than most. It's a bit of a mix, admittedly, but still characterizes the MC as a mostly active male who can sometimes bottom to trans, or submit to femdom. The public pegging scene was hugely fun, with a sissygasm as the cherry on top. Only criticism is that, since the story follows a linear thread, they could have added more conditional scenes further on that played according to certain choices, such as mates picking on the MC after such displays. But that's just squeezing more juice out of it, the essential thing is that the ability to explore "side-kinks" is there, while the ability to refuse to do so is there as well, and none are tied to a rigid path.
Lets phase it this way: In this game you play as a naive bi curious prince into his rabbit hole.... that is one role that does not fit most of the players present... or at least half the content is irrelevant to individual player... some can not even be skipped or solved in a different way... so it leads to near linear story in a sand box environment where nobody satisfied with the amount of relevant content to their desires.
And yes there are a large number of (fetish) games that do the job just fine.... or doomed because of this...
 

Gold Onyx

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And yes there are a large number of (fetish) games that do the job just fine.... or doomed because of this...
I'm not sure I agree with this last part. Many games that have dom or submissive paths... literally have no in between or coherent interaction with the two. So they literally are just linear stories as well, with a choice to sometimes not choose to fuck a particular person.

I can only think of like 2 games, where you can cross dress AND not be a submissive bitch... and thats barely. The criteria is just being able to fuck anyone else with your cock at all.
 

Smallfrie

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I'm not sure I agree with this last part. Many games that have dom or submissive paths... literally have no in between or coherent interaction with the two. So they literally are just linear stories as well, with a choice to sometimes not choose to fuck a particular person.

I can only think of like 2 games, where you can cross dress AND not be a submissive bitch... and thats barely. The criteria is just being able to fuck anyone else with your cock at all.
Cause non vn games capable only.
There are way more than 2... You may want to search for games with gender-bender tag... sissy games are just sub genre consist around half the works... It also stands if you search for porn.
 

reidanota

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And yes there are a large number of (fetish) games that do the job just fine.... or doomed because of this...
Just wanted to add to have a game that reacts to your options, without completely branching the story, is really a tall order, and I understand why authors may be compelled to avoid it. Efficiency wise, it's inefficient to multiply the possibilities and have the game rigged in such a way that each player, according to specific choices, will experience different scenes, or different variations. I multiplies the work for the same amount of gameplay that each player gets. A simple branch-out, while creating two linear stories, keeps it simple. But, arguably, less interesting!

Like you say, many games fail to avoid the pitfalls of writing a story where choices don't seem to matter, the MC's characterization is completely flat, non dynamic, because they can do whatever they want, without impacting the outcome. Even FL branches out eventually, although I think they did a good job keeping most of the ending-locking choices to the late game. Sandbox games might be better at this, adding flags with an expiration timer, so that if your choices are witnessed, they affect your reputation and people's reactions to you for some time, but can be removed later. A dramatic example of this is Girl Life, where you have a pair of events that can cause the MC to be dubbed a slut and have their reputation ruined for a long time - but if you commit to it, you can restore it throughout the game. It just takes a full school year to do so. Dynamic stats may also help - a perfect example of this is Friends of Mine, where you have a feminisation stat that, once over a threshold, makes you a sub in most encounters, but it's dynamic and you can try to balance it so that you can go back and forth. You can still argue that it "flattens" the experience, and that it feels gamey in that one moment you're treated like a sub, the next you're treated like a dom, and all it takes you from going from one to the other is choosing to masturbate one way or the other. But if you abstract from these mechanics, you can easily choose the way you want to play: make all dominant choices and you remain a dominant character, make all sub choices and you become, and remain a submissive character. True, there's a particular story arc where you can be railroaded into one path, but you can also avoid it through choices, and even if you don't, you can still steer your character as one who's resisting what others would force upon them. Quite a good one.

I can only think of like 2 games, where you can cross dress AND not be a submissive bitch... and thats barely. The criteria is just being able to fuck anyone else with your cock at all.
Would love to know which games, if you're willing to share. F95 tags are arguably the best around, and the ability to combine them is great, but it still feels like there's a lack of nuance. That's probably inherent to tags. And then, you have games that fail to get all the tags that should apply to them ("hidden gems") and those that get tagged "defensively" despite their content having very little to do with said tags.
 

Smallfrie

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Just wanted to add to have a game that reacts to your options, without completely branching the story, is really a tall order, and I understand why authors may be compelled to avoid it. Efficiency wise, it's inefficient to multiply the possibilities and have the game rigged in such a way that each player, according to specific choices, will experience different scenes, or different variations. I multiplies the work for the same amount of gameplay that each player gets. A simple branch-out, while creating two linear stories, keeps it simple. But, arguably, less interesting!

Like you say, many games fail to avoid the pitfalls of writing a story where choices don't seem to matter, the MC's characterization is completely flat, non dynamic, because they can do whatever they want, without impacting the outcome. Even FL branches out eventually, although I think they did a good job keeping most of the ending-locking choices to the late game. Sandbox games might be better at this, adding flags with an expiration timer, so that if your choices are witnessed, they affect your reputation and people's reactions to you for some time, but can be removed later. A dramatic example of this is Girl Life, where you have a pair of events that can cause the MC to be dubbed a slut and have their reputation ruined for a long time - but if you commit to it, you can restore it throughout the game. It just takes a full school year to do so. Dynamic stats may also help - a perfect example of this is Friends of Mine, where you have a feminisation stat that, once over a threshold, makes you a sub in most encounters, but it's dynamic and you can try to balance it so that you can go back and forth. You can still argue that it "flattens" the experience, and that it feels gamey in that one moment you're treated like a sub, the next you're treated like a dom, and all it takes you from going from one to the other is choosing to masturbate one way or the other. But if you abstract from these mechanics, you can easily choose the way you want to play: make all dominant choices and you remain a dominant character, make all sub choices and you become, and remain a submissive character. True, there's a particular story arc where you can be railroaded into one path, but you can also avoid it through choices, and even if you don't, you can still steer your character as one who's resisting what others would force upon them. Quite a good one.



Would love to know which games, if you're willing to share. F95 tags are arguably the best around, and the ability to combine them is great, but it still feels like there's a lack of nuance. That's probably inherent to tags. And then, you have games that fail to get all the tags that should apply to them ("hidden gems") and those that get tagged "defensively" despite their content having very little to do with said tags.
1st: Since the chatgp generating lot of small responses are not a chore nor feels artificial.
2nd: To a sand box it is a must have above.

About the other what you search for is under: male protagonist . futa trans protagonist. female protagonist tags all together excluding sissification
tags
 

Gold Onyx

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There are way more than 2... You may want to search for games with gender-bender tag... sissy games are just sub genre consist around half the works... It also stands if you search for porn.
What are you talking about? There is not even a gender-bender tag. And way more than two? I don't think you even now what im asking. Please tell me the games where you can be a cross dresser / femboy and not bottom only?

Would love to know which games, if you're willing to share. F95 tags are arguably the best around, and the ability to combine them is great, but it still feels like there's a lack of nuance. That's probably inherent to tags. And then, you have games that fail to get all the tags that should apply to them ("hidden gems") and those that get tagged "defensively" despite their content having very little to do with said tags.
Like I said, I can only think of two. And its barely. Camgurl Mansion and... I can't even remember the name of the other one. lol
 

Smallfrie

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What are you talking about? There is not even a gender-bender tag. And way more than two? I don't think you even now what im asking. Please tell me the games where you can be a cross dresser / femboy and not bottom only?
Khm i did explained
"About the other what you search for is under: male protagonist . futa trans protagonist. female protagonist tags all together excluding sissification
tags "
hm examples...coc, coc2, tits,Debasing Grounds,Broken_Dreams_Correctional_Center,Starwatch Academy,Abyss Diver,CleanSlate,The Repurposing Center,Incarnasoul,Viceburg
There are more vn and small unfinished stuff but these are the most known.
most are not the main content.
You have to understand that you search for is near equivalent to futadom stuff so it is incorporated to other stuff mainly tf games but instead goes further to futadom in dedicated games.
So I did not include futadom only games.
 
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Kanade07

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so it has the 'futa/trans' tag, which for some reason isnt two separate tags, and my understanding is that the MC can do a bit of transitioning(full planned?) so i gotta ask are there gonna be any futas down the line?
I am kinda wondering the same thing, if there's no "futa" then I'm not sure if I want to continue playing this.
 

Gold Onyx

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Khm i did explained
"About the other what you search for is under: male protagonist . futa trans protagonist. female protagonist tags all together excluding sissification
tags "
hm examples...coc, coc2, tits,Debasing Grounds,Broken_Dreams_Correctional_Center,Starwatch Academy,Abyss Diver,CleanSlate,The Repurposing Center,Incarnasoul,Viceburg
There are more vn and small unfinished stuff but these are the most known.
most are not the main content.
You have to understand that you search for is near equivalent to futadom stuff so it is incorporated to other stuff mainly tf games but instead goes further to futadom in dedicated games.
So I did not include futadom only games.
I see what your saying. But the games you listed are all text heavy games with animation clips besides Broken Dreams. That doesn't make them bad games though, and I do enjoy them. I just don't think about the text based games as much.
 

orellion

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Khm i did explained
"About the other what you search for is under: male protagonist . futa trans protagonist. female protagonist tags all together excluding sissification
tags "
hm examples...coc, coc2, tits,Debasing Grounds,Broken_Dreams_Correctional_Center,Starwatch Academy,Abyss Diver,CleanSlate,The Repurposing Center,Incarnasoul,Viceburg
There are more vn and small unfinished stuff but these are the most known.
most are not the main content.
You have to understand that you search for is near equivalent to futadom stuff so it is incorporated to other stuff mainly tf games but instead goes further to futadom in dedicated games.
So I did not include futadom only games.
Sounds like F95 could benefit from having the tags be either "major" or "minor". This would be a daunting task for the mods to maintain though.
 

Smallfrie

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Sounds like F95 could benefit from having the tags be either "major" or "minor". This would be a daunting task for the mods to maintain though.
To tell you the truth the tag system very very very fragmented into sub fetishes.
What it missing is main fetish tags and their highlights
 

DrPoods

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Is anyone else having the issue of the Town not appearing? I did all the other stuff but the Town never appears on the map.
 
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