PBS666

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Anyone has a guide for charming Mom? If she leaves on a vacation, it's over, right?
If she leaves for work, you have one week to take action. What you need to do is in the walkthrough. If you fail there she leaves for good with Gabby.
 

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Overview:
In the past a cult headed by the Warlock Kurndorf used the "Book of Control" to exert their domination over the town of Glenvale. Kurndorf was killed and the cult disbanded. Since then the legendary book has become lost, but you are determined to locate it and use it's power, either to help your family and others, or to gain the power of the spells within the book​

Thread Updated: 2022-10-20
Release Date: 2022-10-19
Developer: Cmacleod42 -
Censored: No
Version: 14.12d
OS: Windows, Mac, Linux, Android
Language: English
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Is there a walkthrough for this game? I don't understand what to do.
 

PBS666

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Is there a walkthrough for this game? I don't understand what to do.
Among the folders there is one called Help. The walkthrough is inside.
Once you have started the game, you can also consult your phone in the game. It has a help item which contains the same walkthrough.
 

cmacleod42

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Is there a walkthrough for this game? I don't understand what to do.
May I check what you did not understand to do here? I would like to try to improve the game.

So what had you done and where were you and unsure to proceed? In general the game early on does tell you what to do in the scenes, sometimes emphasised in bold face

Also if you get stuck check in your phone, the notes. It contains some information on what you have found and need to do
 

DredgenVayn

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May I check what you did not understand to do here? I would like to try to improve the game.

So what had you done and where were you and unsure to proceed? In general the game early on does tell you what to do in the scenes, sometimes emphasised in bold face

Also if you get stuck check in your phone, the notes. It contains some information on what you have found and need to do
You make it EXTREMELY EASY to get a game over. If you play blind, when you fuck up, you have to start over. It's not fun.
 

cmacleod42

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You make it EXTREMELY EASY to get a game over. If you play blind, when you fuck up, you have to start over. It's not fun.
The game provides auto-saves at the start of each game day. There is also a mode where you can undo actions, and this includes bad ends

Were there any particular cases here that were an problem for you that you could not reload from a save or autosave?
 

DredgenVayn

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The game provides auto-saves at the start of each game day. There is also a mode where you can undo actions, and this includes bad ends

Were there any particular cases here that were an problem for you that you could not reload from a save or autosave?
Got arrested.

Also, I can't charm the mother. I don't know why, but the game won't let me. What's up with that?
 

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Is there anything I can do to bring Mom back to the TV station so I can deliver her clothes? I messed up and started that quest too early before I had Manipulative Charms and thought I could postpone until I could charm Nina. Now Mom's gone on vacation. :(
 

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Damn. I have no idea how to change stuff in the cheat menu either other than the basic money/mana stuff.
 

DredgenVayn

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Open the cheat menu, click 'View People', locate Mom and click the link "About go to work", this resets her events
There is a location number mechanic in the cheat section. Can I recommend that you provide everyone a list of the locations to get items and spells as to avoid game overs? Your game is difficult to finish because you don't know what you are doing when playing.

I want to like this game, but it feels a bit broken by the lack of a properly detailed guide or a list of cheats.
I'm trying to provide constructive criticism here.

Because of not knowing what to do, it makes it easy for people to get game overs and having to start over.

Please provide us a list of cheats.
 
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cmacleod42

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There is a location number mechanic in the cheat section. Can I recommend that you provide everyone a list of the locations to get items and spells as to avoid game overs? Your game is difficult to finish because you don't know what you are doing when playing.

I want to like this game, but it feels a bit broken by the lack of a properly detailed guide or a list of cheats.
I'm trying to provide constructive criticism here.

Because of not knowing what to do, it makes it easy for people to get game overs and having to start over.

Please provide us a list of cheats.
There is a list of places included in the documentation in the
Development
folder in the game, in places.html. Similarly flags for people are noted in people.html

These are difficult to really use without checking code at times as there is an interdependence on flags in the game. This is why I have provided links like the "About go to work" link discussed. There are a number provided for people and you can see by looking in the View People list. Mother Superior for instance has a number

Game Overs are best handled really using your save games. So save or quick save periodically, before doing something like robbing a museum or confronting a sleazy teacher etc. Otherwise use the autosave at the start of every in-game day if you get a game over.
Otherwise turn on the game option to undo actions, this allows you to re-do many actions that would lead to a game-over.

There is no real list of cheats or locations for items or spells. Items and spells are available often based on previous events that make these available (actually put them in the location or set flags to expose)
The cheats otherwise are in the cheat menu but few people need anything more than maybe using the money/mana cheats

The cheat menu also allows you to add items (including spells) to your inventory, but for some key items and spells this can break some game progression.
 

DredgenVayn

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There is a list of places included in the documentation in the
Development
folder in the game, in places.html. Similarly flags for people are noted in people.html

These are difficult to really use without checking code at times as there is an interdependence on flags in the game. This is why I have provided links like the "About go to work" link discussed. There are a number provided for people and you can see by looking in the View People list. Mother Superior for instance has a number

Game Overs are best handled really using your save games. So save or quick save periodically, before doing something like robbing a museum or confronting a sleazy teacher etc. Otherwise use the autosave at the start of every in-game day if you get a game over.
Otherwise turn on the game option to undo actions, this allows you to re-do many actions that would lead to a game-over.

There is no real list of cheats or locations for items or spells. Items and spells are available often based on previous events that make these available (actually put them in the location or set flags to expose)
The cheats otherwise are in the cheat menu but few people need anything more than maybe using the money/mana cheats

The cheat menu also allows you to add items (including spells) to your inventory, but for some key items and spells this can break some game progression.
For JoiPlay users, we can't add spells or items for some reason.
 

ori0n69

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You make it EXTREMELY EASY to get a game over. If you play blind, when you fuck up, you have to start over. It's not fun.
yeh this game should have something like event helper like glassix that will be more easy. i dropped this because im so lazy to read walkthrough and play game at the same time although this is a great game
 
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cmacleod42

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Query
I keep getting comments on the lines
- the user interface is hard to use
- I cannot play the game without a walkthough, I get stuck/soft locked or need to restart

On the first item I have not had much detail but I think it is that we differ from the more common layout of a Twine or RenPy game where
- there is a single sidebar on the left if any, or a top menu bar
- navigation is usually by clicking on areas on screen/on a map

I have tried to address the second case recently, there is a navigate via phone map and some extra information like arrows. Some is also just giving more information on what to do, but at times it is unclear what more to say. I do not want a in game guide pointing you to the next thing to do always. Some more details in the Notes in your phone seems appropriate here.

For the first one thought I have had is to optionally alter the screen layout to remove the right side bar. There is a bag icon on the left to open the existing full inventory on the right, or the popup version you can get.
Spell casting will be by clicking on the magic wand icon on the left bar and it will pop out a list of spell icons, ALL spells will be included. An example is attached. This could be a list of spell names and links
The phone will open by clicking the icon on the left bar

In this the focus then is on the left sidebar with the right popup for phone/inventory when requested. They can stay open, and close when asked

Some initial tutorial to show the use here for new players, a basic arrow saying 'click here to cast a spell' or whatever

Does this seem clearer/simpler to use to people? Do you have any alternative suggestions?
 
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Query
I keep getting comments on the lines
- the user interface is hard to use
- I cannot play the game without a walkthough, I get stuck/soft locked or need to restart

On the first item I have not had much detail but I think it is that we differ from the more common layout of a Twine or RenPy game where
- there is a single sidebar on the left if any, or a top menu bar
- navigation is usually by clicking on areas on screen/on a map

I have tried to address the second case recently, there is a navigate via phone map and some extra information like arrows. Some is also just giving more information on what to do, but at times it is unclear what more to say. I do not want a in game guide pointing you to the next thing to do always. Some more details in the Notes in your phone seems appropriate here.

For the first one thought I have had is to optionally alter the screen layout to remove the right side bar. There is a bag icon on the left to open the existing full inventory on the right, or the popup version you can get.
Spell casting will be by clicking on the magic wand icon on the left bar and it will pop out a list of spell icons, ALL spells will be included. An example is attached. This could be a list of spell names and links
The phone will open by clicking the icon on the left bar

In this the focus then is on the left sidebar with the right popup for phone/inventory when requested. They can stay open, and close when asked

Some initial tutorial to show the use here for new players, a basic arrow saying 'click here to cast a spell' or whatever

Does this seem clearer/simpler to use to people? Do you have any alternative suggestions?
I think i must have been quite lucky, as i made my way through the game with no issues, but if people are struggling, a hints system is ideal. something a little clearer than the walkthrough. Obviously if you give too much away it would spoil some of the fun of the game so trying to find a balance is going to be tricky..
 
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