A surprising lack of lesbian NTR content

[Flufftails]

Hello everyone, first time posting after years of lurking


Something I think is a bit weird is how there are barely any games about lesbians being cucked. I have seen it s a couple of times in hentai (but even in hentai it's surprisingly rare) but unlike the comment sections of "normal" NTR hentai no one was screaming bloody murder.

My guess is that the NTR haters don't try to self insert as the female cuck and thus have no problems with it. Why is almost all NTR about straight men getting cucked when you could use lesbians and draw in both the NTR loving audience and a large part of the NTR hating audience?

Or maybe most NTR lovers only want straight men getting cucked and you would just trade one audience for another?

What do you think?

EDIT: To clarify, I was mainly thinking about NTR scenarios where a man is fucking a woman who is in a relationship with another woman. Your thoughts about women stealing women from other women or from men are still fun to read though!

 

[eaudecologne]

My guess is that the NTR haters don't try to self insert as the female cuck and thus have no problems with it. Why is almost all NTR about straight men getting cucked when you could use lesbians and draw in both the NTR loving audience and a large part of the NTR hating audience?

Well you mean a lesbian is stolen away by another woman right so that's not gonna be really exciting for anyone who's not into lesbians I think. Speaking as a straight guy we need to see dicks in our porn, so yeah I don't think that's something you can just swap in. Also real talk lesbians were invented in those comedy movies in 2000s where they'd have hot girls kissing and they don't actually exist. And guys don't care for it more than just seeing hot girls do stuff *Hides under the blanket before someone arrives claiming they're supposedly a real lesbian*

 

[Sum Gi]

Those hate comments you see are likely from people (probably mostly teens mentally scarring themselves) who compulsively masturbate to ntr but can't reconcile that fact, so they leave them to try to protect their ego after the fact. Strange as it sounds, people often seek out things that reinforce their insecurities. In addition to the open cucks there appears to be an even larger closeted cuck demographic. These cucks presumably flock to straight ntr specifically to self insert as the loser male and other onlookers are drawn by morbid curiosity or just see good art and don't care about the context.

This self insertion appears to be the primary appeal. Since there is no loser male to self insert as in yuri, both the open and closeted cucks are gone right off the bat. Far from drawing in the ntr loving audience, it's totally disinterested. This is the primary answer to your question.

You could further divide lesbian ntr into works where she's cucked by another girl, and works where she's cucked by a guy. People who self-insert as the female might stick around, but now you're taking an already smaller subgroup and dividing that by the ones who are either into yuri or can stomach male intrusion. I can only speak for myself but the latter is just totally repulsive to me (no judgment). Plain nastiness overwhelms any feelings of arousal.

As for the former, well yuri ntr is even more rare than it first appears, as many are just typical ntr with a brief lesbian moment. Yuri itself is suprisingly small with all yuri comprising just 6.4% of english works on nhentai and females only just 3.2%. Non yuri ntr is larger than the entire yuri section at 8.2%. Yuri is also a rather strange phenomenon in itself as it's often drawn in a pure/cutesy style, not a hypersexual one. I've always just kind of avoided it, like it's cute but not really a turn on, though it certainly could be if done right. I've also always been rather confused at who the target demographic is as it doesn't appear to be lesbians (or at least adult lesbians), but usually isn't the kind of big tiddy fuckfest one would expect to be aimed at boys. The most popular works all fall into this latter category, but seem to be the minority.

So basically the audience for lesbian ntr is a subset of a subset of a subset of a subset etc. And the more of those you add on the group starts thinning out real fast. Given that people are producing these works for a living, it pays to target larger demographics.

 

[kytee]

You mean a lesbian getting her girlfriend stolen away from a dude right? I'm not much into NTR but that sounds like it could be a fun one off.

 

[Iexist]

If, by lesbian NTR, you mean that there's a lesbian couple, then someone (male or female or whatever) rolls in and NTRs one of them away from the other... then this is a somewhat interesting question.

If we're talking specifically about the one doing the cucking being pure female, then that likely falls under the same reasons why lesbian smut is rare in general. What makes that rare would also make this rare. For me, lesbian and gay stuff are both extremely rare moods, and those moods pretty much never last long enough to bother with entire games dedicated to them. If it was a side-theme in a game, then that's another story... so those moods usually get channeled in other media.

If we're talking about the one doing the cucking being some kind of dick wielder... Well, I honestly don't know why it's rare in such a case exactly, but I speculate that it's a matter of audiences. NTR, as a genre, has multiple types of audiences. There's obviously the self-insert peeps, specifically the men, who wouldn't be interested by default. There's the corruption crowd, like me, who who'd wonder why both girls aren't being corrupted, which means you need better story set-up to make it work. The same would likely apply to people who like NTR because of its inevitable misogynistic tendencies. Of course, there's the crowd focused on the girl's perspective, whether they be women themselves or other kinds of pervs, who also get less out of it if the couple that's being cucked is a lesbian couple.

Personally, I think that lesbian NTR, so to speak, has plenty of potential for corruption. Hell, in some ways, it might be even worse than normal. Imagine a lesbian getting so addicted to cock that she betrays her partner even while she hates the guy who's fucking her, even when she's not actually attracted to him, but he makes her feel so good that she loses her mind... Sounds hot if done right (even though it's obviously typically unrealistic smut stupidity).

As such, I don't know exactly why it's rare, but, as I speculated above, it's likely because the target audience would be small, and, of course, that means that the potential people who'd want to make it are fewer in number, which also means that the number of people who could do a good job of it are even fewer.

Oh, and, as for hate comments. Well, tbh, I don't understand kink-shamers in general, much less specifically NTR focused ones. They're a weird sub-species of humanity that I hope fails to reproduce and which will, hopefully, die off in the future.

 

[Saerwen]

FMC cheating on ugly bastard husband with a woman would piss off NTR worshippers.

 

[Volta]

I think there is a lot of bi-girl potential in NTR. A straight male MC having his SO stolen by a woman that appears safe would be fun. A "lesbian" character being seduced by a male character could also be fun. There is also a lot of threesome potential here as well since the player is generally expected to be male and FMF or FFM threesomes are generally a lot more accepted than MFM, MMF or FMM+ is by most men, or at least is considered more vanilla.

I think the fly in the ointment in this case is that a lot of NTR fans like the betrayal and jealousy element, which is less relevant when the character getting cucked could/does find the person their SO is getting seduced by/Is fucking to be attractive to them. Less "oh no NTR!" and more "wow, i want to get in there!".

However as someone who only really likes NTR games for the seduction element i think a lesbian covertly trying to seduced a presumably straight/Bi woman who is in a relationship is great. Similarly a Bi/Lesbian woman falling for a dude/being seduced away from her GF is also great, more variety is good and more well written lez content is always a plus in most games.

 

[Flufftails]

Well you mean a lesbian is stolen away by another woman right so that's not gonna be really exciting for anyone who's not into lesbians I think. Speaking as a straight guy we need to see dicks in our porn, so yeah I don't think that's something you can just swap in. Also real talk lesbians were invented in those comedy movies in 2000s where they'd have hot girls kissing and they don't actually exist. And guys don't care for it more than just seeing hot girls do stuff *Hides under the blanket before someone arrives claiming they're supposedly a real lesbian*

I was actually thinking more about a lesbian being stolen away by a man but since you said the dick is the important part, do you think it is enough to have the chad be a futa or does it specifically have to be a man with a dick?

Those hate comments you see are likely from people (probably mostly teens mentally scarring themselves) who compulsively masturbate to ntr but can't reconcile that fact, so they leave them to try to protect their ego after the fact. Strange as it sounds, people often seek out things that reinforce their insecurities. In addition to the open cucks there appears to be an even larger closeted cuck demographic. These cucks presumably flock to straight ntr specifically to self insert as the loser male and other onlookers are drawn by morbid curiosity or just see good art and don't care about the context.

This self insertion appears to be the primary appeal. Since there is no loser male to self insert as in yuri, both the open and closeted cucks are gone right off the bat. Far from drawing in the ntr loving audience, it's totally disinterested. This is the primary answer to your question.

You could further divide lesbian ntr into works where she's cucked by another girl, and works where she's cucked by a guy. People who self-insert as the female might stick around, but now you're taking an already smaller subgroup and dividing that by the ones who are either into yuri or can stomach male intrusion. I can only speak for myself but the latter is just totally repulsive to me (no judgment). Plain nastiness overwhelms any feelings of arousal.

As for the former, well yuri ntr is even more rare than it first appears, as many are just typical ntr with a brief lesbian moment. Yuri itself is suprisingly small with all yuri comprising just 6.4% of english works on nhentai and females only just 3.2%. Non yuri ntr is larger than the entire yuri section at 8.2%. Yuri is also a rather strange phenomenon in itself as it's often drawn in a pure/cutesy style, not a hypersexual one. I've always just kind of avoided it, like it's cute but not really a turn on, though it certainly could be if done right. I've also always been rather confused at who the target demographic is as it doesn't appear to be lesbians (or at least adult lesbians), but usually isn't the kind of big tiddy fuckfest one would expect to be aimed at boys. The most popular works all fall into this latter category, but seem to be the minority.

So basically the audience for lesbian ntr is a subset of a subset of a subset of a subset etc. And the more of those you add on the group starts thinning out real fast. Given that people are producing these works for a living, it pays to target larger demographics.

Thanks for the analysis! I think it would be interesting to look more into just how important self insertion is. I don't really self insert more than thinking: "what would I do if I was in this scenario?" while for many others I get the impression that the most important thing is how well they see themselves in one of the characters.

Where did you find the statistics? I would love to have a look myself.

If, by lesbian NTR, you mean that there's a lesbian couple, then someone (male or female or whatever) rolls in and NTRs one of them away from the other... then this is a somewhat interesting question.

If we're talking specifically about the one doing the cucking being pure female, then that likely falls under the same reasons why lesbian smut is rare in general. What makes that rare would also make this rare. For me, lesbian and gay stuff are both extremely rare moods, and those moods pretty much never last long enough to bother with entire games dedicated to them. If it was a side-theme in a game, then that's another story... so those moods usually get channeled in other media.

If we're talking about the one doing the cucking being some kind of dick wielder... Well, I honestly don't know why it's rare in such a case exactly, but I speculate that it's a matter of audiences. NTR, as a genre, has multiple types of audiences. There's obviously the self-insert peeps, specifically the men, who wouldn't be interested by default. There's the corruption crowd, like me, who who'd wonder why both girls aren't being corrupted, which means you need better story set-up to make it work. The same would likely apply to people who like NTR because of its inevitable misogynistic tendencies. Of course, there's the crowd focused on the girl's perspective, whether they be women themselves or other kinds of pervs, who also get less out of it if the couple that's being cucked is a lesbian couple.

Personally, I think that lesbian NTR, so to speak, has plenty of potential for corruption. Hell, in some ways, it might be even worse than normal. Imagine a lesbian getting so addicted to cock that she betrays her partner even while she hates the guy who's fucking her, even when she's not actually attracted to him, but he makes her feel so good that she loses her mind... Sounds hot if done right (even though it's obviously typically unrealistic smut stupidity).

As such, I don't know exactly why it's rare, but, as I speculated above, it's likely because the target audience would be small, and, of course, that means that the potential people who'd want to make it are fewer in number, which also means that the number of people who could do a good job of it are even fewer.

Oh, and, as for hate comments. Well, tbh, I don't understand kink-shamers in general, much less specifically NTR focused ones. They're a weird sub-species of humanity that I hope fails to reproduce and which will, hopefully, die off in the future.

I was actually thinking more about a man intruding on a lesbian relationship rather than all people involved being women (or men). As a fellow corruption enjoyer, I think the best scenario is when one of the women is slowly corrupted and at the end, the cucked woman admits defeat and surrenders and joins his new harem. You get the despair and humiliation parts of NTR but also a relatively happy ending where no one is left alone.

I think there is a lot of bi-girl potential in NTR. A straight male MC having his SO stolen by a woman that appears safe would be fun. A "lesbian" character being seduced by a male character could also be fun. There is also a lot of threesome potential here as well since the player is generally expected to be male and FMF or FFM threesomes are generally a lot more accepted than MFM, MMF or FMM+ is by most men, or at least is considered more vanilla.

I think the fly in the ointment in this case is that a lot of NTR fans like the betrayal and jealousy element, which is less relevant when the character getting cucked could/does find the person their SO is getting seduced by/Is fucking to be attractive to them. Less "oh no NTR!" and more "wow, i want to get in there!".

However as someone who only really likes NTR games for the seduction element i think a lesbian covertly trying to seduced a presumably straight/Bi woman who is in a relationship is great. Similarly a Bi/Lesbian woman falling for a dude/being seduced away from her GF is also great, more variety is good and more well written lez content is always a plus in most games.

I think the betrayal and jealousy elements are still there as long as the cuck never gains the same "status" as their SO. If they go from being the love of their partner's life to just being an afterthought then they have still lost even if they also find the gigachad who stole their SO attractive and is part of the relationship don't you think? Like instead of the loving relationship the cuck used to have with their SO they now only get scraps of love from their significant other and the gigachad.

 

[eaudecologne]

I was actually thinking more about a lesbian being stolen away by a man but since you said the dick is the important part, do you think it is enough to have the chad be a futa or does it specifically have to be a man with a dick?

Oh I see, it sounded like you meant ntr for lesbians. In this case it would be less typical ntr vibe and more of a corruption vibe I feel like. So yeah non ntr fans might be more into this. It's a classic meme you hear about lesbians just needing to be dicked good so id say it would be better received than typical cuck pov games. As for the futa question I prefer male mc. Futa games are fun for me when it's a girl gets a dick for whatever reason and then she can't stop jerking off and being teased. For ntr it wouldn't work for me.

 

[MissCougar]

I think the biggest drag against yuri and lesbian stuff is that it lacks this sort of finality that a male/female relationship has. It's more like good friends doing sex rather than this deep lifelong connection.

I know a couple actual lesbians and they even bounce around in relationships too. I don't know any of them who have had multi decade relationships. Not that it doesn't happen, I just don't know any.

So I feel like while this could be a situation, it'd be less like Ntr and more like some girl stopping her lesbian fling to go be with her true Prince Charming. The Ntr angle would be tough I think.

 

[anne O'nymous]

I know a couple actual lesbians and they even bounce around in relationships too. I don't know any of them who have had multi decade relationships. Not that it doesn't happen, I just don't know any.

I guess it depend on where you live, and how old you are. When you had to past the first half of your life, and even more all your life, hiding your sexuality because homosexuals are pointed as deviants, when not sinners, it's more difficult to engage in a long term relationship. There's then too often on that want to make it "official", while the other fear to be too exposed because of this.
But in more tolerant countries, long term relationship are far to be rare.

So I feel like while this could be a situation, it'd be less like Ntr and more like some girl stopping her lesbian fling to go be with her true Prince Charming. The Ntr angle would be tough I think.

It's more that pure lesbians games tend to be either about pure sex fiends without real interest for love, or at the opposite a deeply in love couple (that potentially fuck any girls that cross their path, but still are madly in love with each others). And NTR do not fit right with one or the other. You can't NTR someone who don't care about love, and you can't steal someone who's madly in love with a SO that don't care if she have sex with others.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

If you think that's rare, you should try finding a futa protag romance game that doesn't have a rapist as an MC. Shit's impossible.

No, I ain't salty. Why do you ask?

 

[whowhawhy]

sort of finality that a male/female relationship has.

like a shotgun wedding with no prenup?

pure lesbians games tend to be

i think ntr/cheating drama (not porn) is a recent addition to the yuri genre that's diversifying after the happily-ever-after trend that succeeded the "we're only allowed to present it a growing up phase before finding a husband" period, and yuri games are further lagging behind. western adult games are their own thing, but since it's an imported genre, the lack of importable trendsetters could be a factor.

 

[Icarus Media]

I've found 3 games in my time where a lesbian steals someone's girl:

https://f95zone.to/threads/abaddon-princess-of-the-decay-final-sakuraprin.66610/
https://f95zone.to/threads/motemote...o-ochi-shita-hanashi-final-one-strike.255538/

And one not on here that is untranslated but the title was something like 'Help my girl gets sniped by a lesbian' and was still in the original Japanese, you can get cucked or become friends with the lesbian and sexually eviscerate your girlfriend with pleasure together as homies.

 

[Flufftails]

So I feel like while this could be a situation, it'd be less like Ntr and more like some girl stopping her lesbian fling to go be with her true Prince Charming. The Ntr angle would be tough I think.

As long as the girl who is left alone is heartbroken that still sounds like NTR to me. I think most heterosexual NTR can be described in the same way. A woman realizing that her boyfriend/husband with a normal sized dick was never her true fated lover, just a stepping stone for her to meet her true prince Charming: a fat ugly bastard with a horsecock

It's more that pure lesbians games tend to be either about pure sex fiends without real interest for love, or at the opposite a deeply in love couple (that potentially fuck any girls that cross their path, but still are madly in love with each others). And NTR do not fit right with one or the other. You can't NTR someone who don't care about love, and you can't steal someone who's madly in love with a SO that don't care if she have sex with others.

I agree with your first point, but I still think your second point can constitute as NTR. It's similar to when the cuck initially encourages their partner to have sex with others but later realize the mistake they have made when their partner falls more and more for the sex partner.

If you think that's rare, you should try finding a futa protag romance game that doesn't have a rapist as an MC. Shit's impossible.

No, I ain't salty. Why do you ask?

I found 20 completed games on F95 with the tags [futa/trans protagonist] and [romance] while excluding [rape]. 24 when including [rape]. That really is small. Maybe there are more visual novels though. Correct me if I'm wrong but F95 has a relatively small number of VNs when you think about how many thousands that exist.

And one not on here that is untranslated but the title was something like 'Help my girl gets sniped by a lesbian' and was still in the original Japanese, you can get cucked or become friends with the lesbian and sexually eviscerate your girlfriend with pleasure together as homies.

That sound like the type of comedy I would love to watch with or without sex haha. I love these types of subversions. Like elves being obsessed by the idea of being raped by orcs while the orcs are just chilling and being put off by the freaky elves

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

I found 20 completed games on F95 with the tags [futa/trans protagonist] and [romance] while excluding [rape]. 24 when including [rape]. That really is small. Maybe there are more visual novels though. Correct me if I'm wrong but F95 has a relatively small number of VNs when you think about how many thousands that exist.

Well, there are 22000 games here. That's only english games of course, but the only other language I can imagine having any substantial number of adult games is Japanese. There might be more futa romance games there, but given how rape and corruption happy Japanese games are I can't imagine it's a significant number.

 

[Flufftails]

Well, there are 22000 games here. That's only english games of course, but the only other language I can imagine having any substantial number of adult games is Japanese. There might be more futa romance games there, but given how rape and corruption happy Japanese games are I can't imagine it's a significant number.

True, but look on the bright side! A least that means your games have little competition!

 

[Rafster]

Just consider this: Dedicated lesbian games are rare enough, add a divisive genre like NTR and you even halve the possibility of seeing it. It's so rare.. there aren't many gay games that even tackle NTR. It got to a point that, to this day, I don't fully understand this genre.

 

[MissCougar]

As long as the girl who is left alone is heartbroken that still sounds like NTR to me. I think most heterosexual NTR can be described in the same way. A woman realizing that her boyfriend/husband with a normal sized dick was never her true fated lover, just a stepping stone for her to meet her true prince Charming: a fat ugly bastard with a horsecock

I mean what woman could ignore jumping on the ugliest mofo in the world so long as he's got an ungainly sized gargantuan penis?

Men everywhere would bow down just by sensing the gravitational pull! NTRs would rain from the cum stained clouds in the sky with each gyser of semen like a biblical flood.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

Just consider this: Dedicated lesbian games are rare enough, add a divisive genre like NTR and you even halve the possibility of seeing it. It's so rare.. there aren't many gay games that even tackle NTR. It got to a point that, to this day, I don't fully understand this genre.

What... what happened to the bear PFP. Did something happen to it? Is the bear okay?