A Wife And Mother Analyze

[Joshua Tree]

Because it is a adult VN so yes, it belongs here.

Here is the thing, alot of people only do have their experience from porn, devs and users here on this forum included.
They wouldn't know a believable character if one came and smacked them on the head with it.
This game is a excellent example of how people's expectations for a porn game is turned on it's head.
It wasn't on this forum but another where I saw people say that the MC should have had a gangbang with the class during the scene when she is teaching for the first time, that's how damaged some people are that they think a teacher will have a gangbang with her students right away and that it's not believable that she wouldn't do so.

Seen people on this forum beeling through the filthy path, thinking that it will lead to sex when it kinda does and kinda doesn't. The first sex scene happens if you go the good wife route and there is oral sex with the husband, giving and given.
But since some people are damaged by porn and other VN doesn't count that as sex even tho by all definitions it very much is, an actual sex scene can be seen with the neighbours but again, something most people seem to skip past since it's not the most obvious route by letting the MC show some restraint at a particular scene.

If I was a psychologist, I would look at the AWAM thread and I could do a thesis on how porn has damaged people's views on sex and relations.
As for the MC, love her or hate her, that's fine. No MC is liked by everyone, you either push through with it or stop playing it. "How it all Began" is a great example of a MC that is so unlikable that I can't ignore his faults to continue playing.
Personally I love Sophia. Is she 100% realistic ? No but for me she is still a breath of fresh air and that alone makes me like her.

A lot of people doesn't know what make an adult game in the first place. Thinking adult automatically means porn is just wrong. An "adult" game can just as well mean a game for grown up's with mature topics and so forth. Not suitable for minors. Even it contain sexual content and nudity it doesn't need to be "hard core" porn.

If all you want to do is fast forward through a game to get to the sexual content, porn if you want. Then why not just visit pornhub or something and watch real porn? If a game just serve up one fuckfest after the other I just throw it aside, it's not really that interesting without any story and context.

How damaged people is from porn or not, idk. But if you fail to realize that porn is just fiction and not real, and work very poorly as sex education. Safe to say you might have some issues to deal with.

 

[freedom.call]

You right about there is women that can be like the one in AWAM, but I would object on being such in that setting, with that job etc. Unless your only teaching job been ion some catholic girls only school or something.

It is obvious to me now that she was DMD daughter's teacher.

 

[kymico]

Frankly it's a crime for such a talent making these beautiful renders be absolutely wasted with that kind of writing. Slow burns are fine but the whole hype for the game borders on hysteria given for what little it has accomplished. I just don't get it. There's far too many characters and given the fact it takes 2-3 months to have a small release.... the game will be milked for a super long time.

Because of this I've slowly started getting interested in creating my own game but don't have the time right now to deep dive what I need to learn. I know the writing and storyline will be great for what I have in mind but I don't relish learning Ren'py and Daz 3D from scratch. I hope it's not too hard considering half these games have "devs" unable to write full sentences.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Frankly it's a crime for such a talent making these beautiful renders be absolutely wasted with that kind of writing. Slow burns are fine but the whole hype for the game borders on hysteria given for what little it has accomplished. I just don't get it. There's far too many characters and given the fact it takes 2-3 months to have a small release.... the game will be milked for a super long time.

Because of this I've slowly started getting interested in creating my own game but don't have the time right now to deep dive what I need to learn. I know the writing and storyline will be great for what I have in mind but I don't relish learning Ren'py and Daz 3D from scratch. I hope it's not too hard considering half these games have "devs" unable to write full sentences.

Uh, you used a word I really hate now; "Milking". Also considering you said you wanted to create your own game, but don't have time. Creators of all these games doesn't necessary have all the time in the world either. If you look at "Lust And Passions's" Patreon page, his goal says he will quit his "side job", upgrade hardware, and hire someone to help out with the scenes. So If we assume he got at least 2 jobs at current time, whatever time he got left over to work on the game (and if he actually do so), Can't really accuse him of milking anything then.

This goes for a lot of creators though. They might state in their goal's they want to quit their job and focus full time on creating games, but c'mon! That just doesn't make any sense what so ever. If you got a steady job, give it up for a very uncertain future as a creator of adult games with Patreon as income. Just doesn't make sense.

Games that "suffers" from to many characters and multiple paths will almost always feel as small releases. Heck, sometimes a release might not even give you any content for your choice of path, characters etc at all. Can take one of the more popular games on this site "Good Girl Gone Bad" as example.

 

[Jashmyne]

Games that "suffers" from to many characters and multiple paths will almost always feel as small releases. Heck, sometimes a release might not even give you any content for your choice of path, characters etc at all. Can take one of the more popular games on this site "Good Girl Gone Bad" as example.

I can't think of a single game where I have felt "wow what a update". They always boast about the number of renders but then 5 minutes later you have played through the update and this is even with linear games.
Games with multiple paths like AWAM is even worse in that regard since you can end up skipping half the content of a update due to a yes or no choice.

But that's the thing with games like this. For people that don't like that I would suggest waiting 4-5 updates before trying the game again since you will no doubt feel that more has been done.

 

[Joshua Tree]

I can't think of a single game where I have felt "wow what a update". They always boast about the number of renders but then 5 minutes later you have played through the update and this is even with linear games.
Games with multiple paths like AWAM is even worse in that regard since you can end up skipping half the content of a update due to a yes or no choice.

But that's the thing with games like this. For people that don't like that I would suggest waiting 4-5 updates before trying the game again since you will no doubt feel that more has been done.

Well, people need to tone down their expectations as well. More than often, it doesn't matter what the creator provide. For some it will never be enough. I don't think they necessary boast about number of renders. More like a sign of what was done. If you are real unlucky you could download the new release just to find "your path continue next release".

End of the day though, everyone can put time and effort into create their own adult games and make it big on Patreon, if they so unhappy about what others make, time it take, and so on. Right? From my point of view the entire thing seems like a very ungrateful venture.

 

[Wet & Wild Production]

Because it is a adult VN so yes, it belongs here.

Here is the thing, alot of people only do have their experience from porn, devs and users here on this forum included.
They wouldn't know a believable character if one came and smacked them on the head with it.
This game is a excellent example of how people's expectations for a porn game is turned on it's head.
It wasn't on this forum but another where I saw people say that the MC should have had a gangbang with the class during the scene when she is teaching for the first time, that's how damaged some people are that they think a teacher will have a gangbang with her students right away and that it's not believable that she wouldn't do so.

Seen people on this forum beeling through the filthy path, thinking that it will lead to sex when it kinda does and kinda doesn't. The first sex scene happens if you go the good wife route and there is oral sex with the husband, giving and given.
But since some people are damaged by porn and other VN doesn't count that as sex even tho by all definitions it very much is, an actual sex scene can be seen with the neighbours but again, something most people seem to skip past since it's not the most obvious route by letting the MC show some restraint at a particular scene.

If I was a psychologist, I would look at the AWAM thread and I could do a thesis on how porn has damaged people's views on sex and relations.
As for the MC, love her or hate her, that's fine. No MC is liked by everyone, you either push through with it or stop playing it. "How it all Began" is a great example of a MC that is so unlikable that I can't ignore his faults to continue playing.
Personally I love Sophia. Is she 100% realistic ? No but for me she is still a breath of fresh air and that alone makes me like her.

That's true, this is a more down to earth game, where the dev tries to make the character development more believable, which is good. But not everbody likes a very slow story progression. Personaly I'm fine with it, but I also think that in some parts the dev had overdone it. For example the guitar lesson was a bit too much.

 

[Ragnar]

Asked months ago if there was any sex, answer was no so I didn't try it, I had more than enough "slow burn" games with DmD
Don't get me wrong, story is important to me and I have read text heavy games in html format, but if you don't put some action here and there some people will lost interest in a game with monthly updates.

 

[Joshua Tree]

That's true, this is a more down to earth game, where the dev tries to make the character development more believable, which is good. But not everbody likes a very slow story progression. Personaly I'm fine with it, but I also think that in some parts the dev had overdone it. For example the guitar lesson was a bit too much.

Imho, the whole "school bully" path was so far from reality you can come, so in regard of make the character development believable, he flunked there. If you want to look at more believable characters, take a look at the game "Haley's Story". Which is also a slow burn game, but with a nice build up and story.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Asked months ago if there was any sex, answer was no so I didn't try it, I had more than enough "slow burn" games with DmD
Don't get me wrong, story is important to me and I have read text heavy games in html format, but if you don't put some action here and there some people will lost interest in a game with monthly updates.

Yeah but that's like watching a drama movie and expect action. There is several different genres within "adult "movies, books and whatever else media. Not all have to be full frontal and hardcore. Sometimes we just have to expect some games is not made for our taste, put it aside and find some other game.

 

[Ragnar]

Not all have to be full frontal and hardcore. Sometimes we just have to expect some games is not made for our taste, put it aside and find some other game.

Didn't say that, I enjoy Tlaero and Mortze games (mostly vanilla), what I don't enjoy is following a game with zero action month after month. If the game is completed some day I will try it, until them I will play other games.

 

[Jashmyne]

That's true, this is a more down to earth game, where the dev tries to make the character development more believable, which is good. But not everbody likes a very slow story progression. Personaly I'm fine with it, but I also think that in some parts the dev had overdone it. For example the guitar lesson was a bit too much.

Well no one is perfect. The guitar lesson actually seemed like a proper guitar lesson which was funny but it was a bit too much.
And as mentioned, the school bully story is a bit of a dud I think since there is already that story going(people corrected me that the janitor is not a blackmail thing so fair enough).
But I rather have a 1000 AWaM over 1 Elenas Life which I tried the other day and it was just awful. That was corruption done horribly.

 

[Deleted member 1023239]

If all you want to do is fast forward through a game to get to the sexual content, porn if you want. Then why not just visit pornhub or something and watch real porn? If a game just serve up one fuckfest after the other I just throw it aside, it's not really that interesting without any story and context.

I think different from you, because we are all here because we like to read or play visual novels because it gives us more choices to choose the path we are hoping for, on the other hand this novel is very boring because we are like seeing a daily life of a boring wife, there are two path given by this novel to be a good wife or become a cheating wife but all of the path have not provided actual sex scene for almost 1 year of development, i know slow burn corruption is good if it is well written and remains consistent with the story, but in my view the game is inconsistent with two route that we can choose, for example, we only see one oral scene of husband and wife and after that we do not see further scenes after a year and when we choose filthy route we can see sophia can let sam to see her areola and i think that's a joke especially when you're his patron for almost 1 year, if the author don't want to make sophia naked scene simply just dont too focus with sophia perspective, intimate relation and fashion business is a good example to use multiple of perspective you can play by becoming liam, dylan or ellie not just sophia. if i'am this author and want to boost my income simply i add various of kinks and a lot of option to play with so everyone get satisfied not to forget i deliver update constantly for every month with same amount of render like before (400++ now 280), with the things he doing it right now is no wonder it become stagnating and don't dream to get income like icstor

 

[Joshua Tree]

I think different from you, because we are all here because we like to read or play visual novels because it gives us more choices to choose the path we are hoping for, on the other hand this novel is very boring because we are like seeing a daily life of a boring wife, there are two path given by this novel to be a good wife or become a cheating wife but all of the path have not provided actual sex scene for almost 1 year of development, i know slow burn corruption is good if it is well written and remains consistent with the story, but in my view the game is inconsistent with two route that we can choose, for example, we only see one oral scene of husband and wife and after that we do not see further scenes after a year and when we choose filthy route we can see sophia can let sam to see her areola and i think that's a joke especially when you're his patron for almost 1 year, if the author don't want to make sophia naked scene simply just dont too focus with sophia perspective, intimate relation is a good example to use multiple of perspective you can play by becoming liam, dylan or ellie not just sophia. if i'am this author and want to boost my income simply i add various of kinks and a lot of option to play with so everyone get satisfied not to forget i deliver update constantly for every month with same amount of render like before (400++ now 280), with the things he doing it right now is no wonder it become stagnating and don't dream to get income like icstor

Yeah, but it comes back to him making a different game. Also, even though the development taken x time, it doesn't have to reflect on the progress in the game. What day the game at now? You just don't turn from a uptight prude to the quite opposite within so short time frame. It just doesn't reflect rl, which is obviously something the creator try to do. But I dare say he lack the real life experience to do so believable.

I never stay patreon of any creator for a very long stretch at a time. I tip the jar for a couple months, so I don't feel to terrible when I download it for "free" later. I rather spread it around to several creators than stick to just a few. If the game come to completion and I did enjoy it, I tip the jar again. The last update of this game I kinda lost all interest, but not because of lack of "action" or nudity, but because of fk'n silly turn the story took.

Like everyone have different motives to play games, and taste in said games. So yeah, so you can say we all here because we like to play games (visual novels), but not all of us play the same ones, or got the same taste. I can be critical towards a creator, but I don't want to impose my opinion or direct them how to make their games. I just do the whole "there is no spoon" and find something else to play, if something not my cup of tea.

 

[Wet & Wild Production]

Asked months ago if there was any sex, answer was no so I didn't try it, I had more than enough "slow burn" games with DmD
Don't get me wrong, story is important to me and I have read text heavy games in html format, but if you don't put some action here and there some people will lost interest in a game with monthly updates.

THIS! This is exactly what I try to achieve in my game. Next to a high quality standard in story and graphic I find it very important to do something unique and surprise and reward the player as he progresses. It doesn't have to be some sort of nudity reward every single time, it also can be a funny dialog or some important lore, but it has to be worth the players time. If you play a game and you want to skip most of the content, then there is something wrong it.

 

[Joshua Tree]

THIS! This is exactly what I try to achieve in my game. Next to a high quality standard in story and graphic I find it very important to do something unique and surprise and reward the player as he progresses. It doesn't have to be some sort of nudity reward every single time, it also can be a funny dialog or some important lore, but it has to be worth the players time. If you play a game and you want to skip most of the content, then there is something wrong it.

There is a lot of "players" that just keep skip all the text to get to "any" action, and then they end up sad face panda not finding any. So even the creator/author put in a lot of spicy stuff in from of dialog content etc, they skipped it in pursuit of the visual.
If the story, characters and dialogue is good that can be spice enough. Remember the biggest sexual organ a human got is the brain after all

 

[Ataios]

I'm not a fan of the setting, I played it mostly because it contains a mom daughter route and some other lesbian action.

I don't think this game is very good at story telling, most of the characters are rather forgettable on their own, so, yes, I skipped through a lot of scenes. The best point about this game in my opinion is the variety of choices it gives to players. It contains lesbian scenes as well as incest (though I think the son is one of the very worst of his kind), romance as well as even gangbangs, if there you are into this stuff.

Considering it's strenghts (variety of fetishes) and weaknesses (boring story), I think the pacing could be slightly faster, as most people will just try to get to the action soon.

 

[laflare82]

You know, seeing you write this is kind of a relief. I always found the writing really bad, but I'm a male, so perhaps was I missing something or misunderstanding how far a prudish girl can go up and down. Then you finally come and summarize my thoughts in your comment. Thanks for that.




You forgot the best part. Then, less than one minute later, she think that wearing her bikini can be a good motivation for her son.
Never seen a girl pass from 100% prudish to whore so quickly.

[this you perhaps haven't seen it, it's in the last update ; yes, I still play it, my moment of 2nd degree entertainment]
Then she fall back to 100% prudish. Some days later, she met her son at the pool. He expect to have is reward since he behaved (hey, he goes as far as cleaning his bedroom to see his mother in a bikini), so he ask her to wear her bikini. And what she do ? Well, her usual internal whining...

Dear Author is it I think are you seriously trying to explain how a 100% Prudish women goes from prude to whore to ladies and gents here come on you know better, I myself I praise your work it's a refreshing breath of fresh air having to deal with all these mind control, magic, corruption, harem protagonist able to get every girl total non sense love your work and they are hundreds of others that do as well. BTW when I saw A Wife and Mother Protag in TimeStamp I when Ballistic I was horrified with the thought of that lil piece of hmm would touch Thank Lord it didn't happen that would have been a major L for this exclusive protag

 

[laflare82]

Well, there is those that like suffer from blue balls I guess

They are those that just want to read or listen to a great story I notice every time one of these games does not have enough Fap Content all hell breaks lose it's not the end of the world

 

[laflare82]

What I don't understand is most people don't realize her and her family just moved to a new neighborhood wife has always been a good wife to her husband and he has always been a good husband up until he got this new job were his boss slaps all types of women in his face and boss also wants his wife keeping husband away from her to make her begin to question their relationship all this lesbo, incest and staggitory things should not occur with Wife cause she is 100% good women but author is forced to it to please his audience this game is only suppose to have cheating and that's after wife finds out what the husband has actually been up to with boss this story is going to turn out like (Fashion Business) did a complete 360 on how she views things and her life style but it will take a few updates I personally would prefer her to divorce him after finding out of his infidelity but there's no fun in that so Author will spice it up I just hope WITH ANY sex scenes AUTHOR makes sure it makes sense instead of CAVING IN TO HIS AUDIENCE and also there is no way for her to turn from 100 percent prude to a whore that is not logically possible a women don't turn to a whore because her husband cheats on her, I'm tired of seeing Female Protag portrayed in this light almost every women protag gets turn to a Super Whore