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It's all stated fairly early on when a charater named Bella contacts both wife and MC as a former employee of the camp. Reliability of her story is assumed factually accurate based on the simple fact that everything she states is clearly apparant to be the case as displayed to you the reader at every step of the way. Combined with the fact that she is actively trying to persuade them to leave when everyone else is trying to keep them there and she has no skin in the game.

Because it happens so early on in such a long story, it's understandable that it's forgotten or overlooked by many readers, but it doesn't change the fact that it is part of the story and narrative. Here are some screen shots of some of the conversations. Any reader/player that doesn't believe her information is only hurting their own enjoyment and fully understanding of the game as a whole that is provided by the dev. So if you want to choose not to believe it, then I guess it's on you and there isn't really anything I can do to help you further.

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Bella is an office worker not a chemist she doesn't know how the drugs work so none of this is reliable as proof of a mind control drug. It could be she just got high and did things she's ashamed of and now she regrets it so she's telling herself that it was the drugs not really her. We consistently see portrayals of the characters in denial or trying to justify their actions. Using drug or alcohol use as an excuse is something that is common in real life.
 
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You also bring up the mind control aspect, which I assume you are referring to the hypno therapy and hypno videos that the MC is subjected to. What makes you think the wife isn't going through her own hypno therapy while she works at the camp endlessly each and every day? We are shown she does get some hypno videos via the hack app, we have to assume that is only the tip of the ice berg. At the end of the day, most of the characters are victims from someones malicious actions, how far that victim rabbit hole goes is anyones guess at who the real puppet master is.
You're right she could have been. At this point we can only assume. That would reinforce the idea that it was never the drugs at all but hypno therapy. There have been a few uses of misdirection in the game so that definitely a possibility.
 

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Bella is an office worker not a chemist she doesn't know how the drugs work so none of this is reliable as proof of a mind control drug. It could be she just got high and did things she's ashamed of and now she regrets it so she's telling herself that it was the drugs not really her. We consistently see portrayals of the characters in denial or trying to justify their actions. Using drug or alcohol use as an excuse is something that is common in real life.
Also if it's been hypnotherapy all along then Bella might still be under someone's control and telling the husband about the drugs could have been a method to keep his guard down.
 

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Bella is an office worker not a chemist she doesn't know how the drugs work so none of this is reliable as proof of a mind control drug. It could be she just got high and did things she's ashamed of and now she regrets it so she's telling herself that it was the drugs not really her. We consistently see portrayals of the characters in denial or trying to justify their actions. Using drug or alcohol use as an excuse is something that is common in real life.
It's a plot device added by the dev/writer to help the reader/player understand the game. Your slippery slope of a justification isn't rational for a reader to use. By that explanation there is literally nothing the dev could install for the reader to see that could not be debunked. How Bella came upon this information is irrelevant to helping the reader understand the plot and story dynamics. You're being stubborn to accept the devs method to inject story information is only hurting yourself.

One can just as easily say that any chemist the dev could magically write in to explain something could also be a blatant lie. The dev used an easy way to help the reader understand a concept and you refuse to believe it is true when everything in the story suggests it's true? I believe and trust Bella waaay more than I trust the hacker who helped the MC install spy software, and he is one of the few characters that has been generally trustworthy, but I still don't trust him.

I was simply pointing out that you yourself admit that this is a mind control game at its entire core. The fact that you are willing to accept hypno videos in this games universe as valid but not a mind altering drug as valid until proven is just wild to me. Because mind controlling videos are further from reality than actual mind altering drugs are from a possible reality.

The dev is also intentionally using everyday denial and justification excuses in his characters explanations throughout the story intentionally because just like you, the MC and other charaters are trying to rationalize their behaviors and thoughts based on their understanding that no such chemical and video technology exists in their universe either, it's the dev trying to replicate genuine human reactions to their own denial of impossible technology.

But again, the fact that you are plainly unwilling to accept a fact in a games universe as truth until the games creator breaks the 4th wall and spells in plain language, and continue to believe what you want, is only hurting your own story experience. That's on you I guess. I've done what I can to explain it, you are just gonna believe what you want to believe from an inherantly Mind controlled based story.
 
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Goldaga

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It's a plot device added by the dev/writer to help the reader/player understand the game. Your slippery slope of a justification isn't rational for a reader to use. By that explanation there is literally nothing the dev could install for the reader to see that could not be debunked. How Bella came upon this information is irrelevant to helping the reader understand the plot and story dynamics. You're being stubborn to accept the devs method to inject story information is only hurting yourself.

One can just as easily say that any chemist the dev could magically write in to explain something could also be a blatant lie. The dev used an easy way to help the reader understand a concept and you refuse to believe it is true when everything in the story suggests it's true? I believe and trust Bella waaay more than I trust the hacker who helped the MC install spy software, and he is one of the few characters that has been generally trustworthy, but I still don't trust him.

I was simply pointing out that you yourself admit that this is a mind control game at its entire core. The fact that you are willing to accept hypno videos in this games universe as valid but not a mind altering drug as valid until proven is just wild to me. Because mind controlling videos are further from reality than actual mind altering drugs are from a possible reality.

The dev is also intentionally using everyday denial and justification excuses in his characters explanations throughout the story intentionally because just like you, the MC and other charaters are trying to rationalize their behaviors and thoughts based on their understanding that no such chemical and video technology exists in their universe either, it's the dev trying to replicate genuine human reactions to their own denial of impossible technology.

But again, the fact that you are plainly unwilling to accept a fact in a games universe as truth until the games creator breaks the 4th wall and spells in plain language, and continue to believe what you want, is only hurting your own story experience. That's on you I guess. I've done what I can to explain it, you are just gonna believe what you want to believe from an inherantly Mind controlled based story.
What is the point of giving Captain America serum if he can only do things a normal human being can do? What's the point of giving the wife a mind control drug if she only does things that a normal woman who doesn't have respect for her marriage would do. I never said it was a mind control game at it's core. I said it's "undeniably a mind control game" when I shouldn't have what I should have said is it involves mind control but it doesn't do it very well. The use of mind control is redundant as far as the wife and mother are concerned.
 
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What is the point of giving Captain America serum if he can only do things a normal human being can do? What's the point of giving the wife a mind control drug if she only does things that a normal woman who doesn't have respect for her marriage would do. I never said it was a mind control game at it's core. I said it's "undeniably a mind control game" when I shouldn't have what I should have said is it involves mind control but it doesn't do it very well. The use of mind control is redundant as far as the wife and mother are concerned.
I reiterate how it's impossible to explain things to some people I guess because you've missed the point. How about I give Captain America a new serum that makes him inherently evil worse than Thanos, worse than red skull or hitler himself. The point of the drug in this game isn't to make humans do things they are not already capable of or any other human isn't already capable of. The point is this chemical makes people unable to do anything except submit to sexual urges and turns them into something they never were. No one ever said anything about this stuff making people do things they are incapable of doing. I brought up super heroes as a broad example in my earlier example, which you promptly mutated to fit your own narrative. Please just go play something else. This games concepts are too much for you to comprehend and now you are approaching harassment status by continuing to argue about what you think the story is in your own mind.
 
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Goldaga

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I reiterate how it's impossible to explain things to some people I guess because you've missed the point. How about I give Captain America a new serum that makes him inherently evil worse than Thanos, worse than red skull or hitler himself. The point of the drug in this game isn't to make humans do things they are not already capable of or any other human isn't already capable of. The point is this chemical makes people unable to do anything except submit to sexual urges and turns them into something they never were. No one ever said anything about this stuff making people do things they are incapable of doing. I brought up super heroes as a broad example in my earlier example, which you promptly mutated to fit your own narrative. Please just go play something else. This games concepts are too much for you to comprehend and now you are approaching harassment status by continuing to argue about what you think the story is in your own mind.
My whole point is that mind control in this game is used in a manner that is redundant. I brought up Captain America because you brought up The Avengers so therefore I was thinking about him therefore I used him and his character details as an example. That's not a mutation it was just me using the character as an example. Also if you think having a conversation with someone you disagree with is harassment then maybe don't start conversations with people you disagree with.
 
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Wow. Just wow. I stop posting here and suddenly it's all back off the rails again.

bluerubber.. no.
Goldaga... no.

Stop over thinking a dumpster fire. It's just a dumpster fire. Nothing else.
It had promise. Lots of it. A looooooooong time ago. That ship is in the dumpster fire.
 

Goldaga

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Wow. Just wow. I stop posting here and suddenly it's all back off the rails again.

bluerubber.. no.
Goldaga... no.

Stop over thinking a dumpster fire. It's just a dumpster fire. Nothing else.
It had promise. Lots of it. A looooooooong time ago. That ship is in the dumpster fire.
Lol no I have faith I can figure it out. I just need more yarn, a bigger corkboard and access to the JFK files!
 

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My whole point is that mind control in this game is used in a manner that is redundant. I brought up Captain America because you brought up The Avengers so therefore I was thinking about him therefore I used him and his character details as an example. That's not a mutation it was just me using the character as an example. Also if you think having a conversation with someone you disagree with is harassment then maybe don't start conversations with people you disagree with.
Well I didn't start this conversation. You pinged me. I'm fine with having a conversation, but it's difficult when someone keeps moving the goal post and ignoring points. I guess it's not very unsimilar to the MC in that he refuses to believe things even when people give him clear evidence of things.
 

bluerubber

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Wow. Just wow. I stop posting here and suddenly it's all back off the rails again.

bluerubber.. no.
Goldaga... no.

Stop over thinking a dumpster fire. It's just a dumpster fire. Nothing else.
It had promise. Lots of it. A looooooooong time ago. That ship is in the dumpster fire.
Well you weren't asked about it I suppose but thanks for the straight "no" ping out of no where with zero input or thought. So you can move along then since you seem to not want to be here right?
 

bluerubber

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Oh baby. I've been asked about it a lot of times.
You are soooo late to any of this.
I know you have, I have as well. But you did insert yourself into a conversation and add nothing to the conversation other than to say "no".

Was I supposed to just sit there and say nothing? I put out well thought out and clear evidence to my responses in this thread and have even had good conversations with you in the past. This was just unneeded from you imo. So yea, I replied back to you with some salt thanks
 

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Well there is eventualy a good ending, where ya can choose to break up with her or move to a new place which is an happy ending with your wife, your sister and you. But the road is very bumpy, I did sleep all the girls, never told Rick i did that, even picked the cheat options at the camp, but funny fact is although the bulls send ya pictures and vids, often they weren't your wife at all, some were, but most looked clearly like another woman. So it was mainly a psychological warfare game, where the bull and some others with drugs and brainwash techniques, tried to turn you in a cuck, at same time corrupt all the women in your life. But aslong you endure it, you can get a good ending. Just the mother is a lost cause, there seem to be no way to save her and she becomes eventualy a prostitute.

That is good to know, thanks! I don't mind NTR stuff when the MC is actively given options to avoid or explore it, but from the late update, it seemed like no matter how much you fought it, the wife would always end up cheating on you again and again. But I'll check out the newest update. Thanks again!
 
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I know you have, I have as well. But you did insert yourself into a conversation and add nothing to the conversation other than to say "no".

Was I supposed to just sit there and say nothing? I put out well thought out and clear evidence to my responses in this thread and have even had good conversations with you in the past. This was just unneeded from you imo. So yea, I replied back to you with some salt thanks
I'm sorry if I upset you and no I'm not being sarcastic.
Was never my intention and I hope you know this.
 
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"I'm sorry if I upset you and no I'm not being sarcastic.
Was never my intention and I hope you know this."

"Thanks. Genuine responses are pretty rare around this site. Consider it forgotten and just a misunderstanding on both sides"

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