About cuckquean

[DawnCry]

Always wondered, but I feel like the cuckquean stuff is actually something that should actually happen a lot on harem games, having girls getting hot by you cheating on her with another girl, I just felt it a bit weird how underused it is taking into account what it is.

So... the reason for this thread is to actually understand why is it so underused. Do you feel like it doesn't fit a harem game? is there something you dislike about it?. Feel free to share your opinnions.

 

[arcaos]

I’m not an expert on the fetish, but I imagine a cuck wants to not be getting any whereas a harem member is just waiting for their turn. So I imagine by watching the act play out, a cuck is getting off(?) by being denied/humiliated/whatever whereas a harem member is thinking “that’s gonna be me soon.”

Also the implication is a harem member is more likely to be invited to a threesome in a way they want/get pleasure out of whereas the opposite is likely untrue. In fact, unless there’s a bdsm/cuckquean element to the harem, including such acts would be a bit cruel.

 

[khumak]

I find that usually the closest you'll find to cuckquean is FFM. I'm not really sure why, especially since cuckold, which I can't stand, seems really popular. My best guess is that people assume anyone who might want cuckquean would rather have FFM. Fortunately for me I do like FFM about the same, but it's not the same appeal. There is some crossover since cuckquean can escalate into FFM but most games I've seen miss that opportunity and skip the cuckquean part entirely. Usually the wife/gf is either completely oblivious to it or gets pissed about it. Very rarely is she turned on by it unless it immediately turns into FFM.

If I ever manage to upgrade my video card to something that can render at more than a snails pace I will definitely be including cuckquean stuff in the games I'm working on, but I don't expect to have anything releasable for over a year.

 

[Jofur]

As khumak said. I think it mostly boils down to creators just preferring to go full FFM when doing these kinds of scenes. Visually they are probably more interesting to make.
I'm no expert since I can't stand NTR stuff, but I would assume a big element of that is the humiliation/misery that people get off on, at least when it comes to porn. Whereas I feel cuckquean stuff is more about the woman getting off on someone fucking her man. Which lends itself to become FFM a lot easier.

 

[DawnCry]

arcaos To clarify a bit a cuckquean is the girl that likes her boyfriend to cheat and sometimes even actively pushes him for it, basically she just enjoys seeing her partner cheat on her which is why I feel it could fit really well on harem games.

And well, thanks for the answers everyone, to be fair I personally would find it fun to play a male MC harem game in which there was a cuckquean (optimally initial girlfriend).

 

[MrSilverLust]

I also agree with the cuckquean kink being really hot.

There are a lot of flavours one can experiment with: the cuck can just enjoy listening to mc's adventures with other girls; she might push mc to cheat on her, even try to find girls for him; she might not be allowed to participate, just watch; it might be a humiliation kink where she is told thoughout the act how much better the other girl is than her; it might be about powerplay were the cake also acts as a domme for her; she might be into it or hate it and the scene is her punishment; etc, etc.

There are so many possibilities. In my opinion, even if it all ends up in a FFM, the scene only gets better if the cuckquean stuff is not entirely skipped.

 

[khumak]

I also agree with the cuckquean kink being really hot.

There are a lot of flavours one can experiment with: the cuck can just enjoy listening to mc's adventures with other girls; she might push mc to cheat on her, even try to find girls for him; she might not be allowed to participate, just watch; it might be a humiliation kink where she is told thoughout the act how much better the other girl is than her; it might be about powerplay were the cake also acts as a domme for her; she might be into it or hate it and the scene is her punishment; etc, etc.

There are so many possibilities. In my opinion, even if it all ends up in a FFM, the scene only gets better if the cuckquean stuff is not entirely skipped.

Yeah. For me it's a lot hotter if she's actually there to witness it though. As an example of what I like to see here's a scene from my mod escalating a little. Starts off like this (the white girl is the GF):



And escalates to this:

 

[woody554]

Always wondered, but I feel like the cuckquean stuff is actually something that should actually happen a lot on harem games, having girls getting hot by you cheating on her with another girl, I just felt it a bit weird how underused it is taking into account what it is.

do you mean she after that gets denied from sex with others? that goes against the whole concept of harems. and unless she's the MC there's no masochism for the ntr audience.

I mean yeah you could have an ugly NPC you never want to fuck but keeps pestering you with her unwanted proposals... but why? and doubly why in a harem game??

also it sounds like the basic slut character almost every game has, trying to get the MC fuck everybody else. the sidekick slut.

maybe you're not formulating your idea correctly, but this whole concept makes no sense.

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

Maybe male MC steals a lesbian's bisexual GF? Can't imagine that's something the typical netori enjoyer would go for though.

 

[DawnCry]

Maybe male MC steals a lesbian's bisexual GF? Can't imagine that's something the typical netori enjoyer would go for though.

Cuckquean isn't about stealing other girls, it's about the girlfriend liking that the MC cheats and being open for it because she gets sexual pleasure seeing you cheat, sometimes even going to the point of creating opportunities for you to cheat, that would be more or less the concept on a harem game.

do you mean she after that gets denied from sex with others? that goes against the whole concept of harems. and unless she's the MC there's no masochism for the ntr audience.

I mean yeah you could have an ugly NPC you never want to fuck but keeps pestering you with her unwanted proposals... but why? and doubly why in a harem game??

also it sounds like the basic slut character almost every game has, trying to get the MC fuck everybody else. the sidekick slut.

maybe you're not formulating your idea correctly, but this whole concept makes no sense.

I literally couldn't follow your reasoning jumps since minute 0, I mean what we are talking about is a harem game, which means:

-Male MC
-MC having sex with multiple girls

The initial girlfriend of the MC actually enjoying sexually that you cheat on her, perhaps creating even opportunities for you to have sex with more girls, but that doesn't mean to ignore her or be a sadist towards her or whatever, you still have sex with her.

So no, she doesn't get denied or whatever, in a very light setting it would be the reason why the girlfriend didn't get mad that you cheated with the whole town and why she approves (being mostly a flavour point rather than anything else). In a moderate setting we would find her asking the MC about his sex adventures with other girls, getting hot and him having sex with her while he keeps telling her his adventures. In a more advanced setting it would mean that the girlfriend likes to spy and see how you have sex with other girls while she masturbates (or even to the point of the attachments of khumak in which she is just next to the action).

As others said, those type of situations can easily develop into a FFM sex scene, like the girlfriend being next to the action masturbating while you are having sex with another girl and finally joining into the action.

Of course you could actually make it into a masochistic experience for the wife/girlfriend and quite humilliating if you take it to the extreme, but that's the same with everything, take for example a girlfriend with a bondage fetish (that she likes to be tied up), it isn't the same that you tied her and had sex with her compared to having her tied and then exhibiting her to the whole town in that condition. That's a really big jump.

 

[chujkus]

do you mean she after that gets denied from sex with others? that goes against the whole concept of harems. and unless she's the MC there's no masochism for the ntr audience.

I mean yeah you could have an ugly NPC you never want to fuck but keeps pestering you with her unwanted proposals... but why? and doubly why in a harem game??

also it sounds like the basic slut character almost every game has, trying to get the MC fuck everybody else. the sidekick slut.

maybe you're not formulating your idea correctly, but this whole concept makes no sense.

It always annoys me when people think of harem as man being in open relationships with many women, totally forgetting about the male domination aspect of that genre. The guy in harem has at least some control over his girls and could deny one of them any pleasure as a for of a punishment etc. So, no, cuckqueaning and harem are not contradicting each other.

 

[262177]

I've seen a bunch of female MC and females cheating on their girlfriend(s) or female spouse(s) games, light novels, doujin, manga, anthologies, etc. As well as the one being 'cucked' still deep into the relationship and apparently enjoying it.

Neutral here, I just see it as

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when it comes to non-binding relationships but don't derive any particular sexual pleasure from this (though I hardly derive any sexual pleasure from anything for that matter after tagging and checking millions of things, but this is another story). It's fiction, right?

 

[Madarahyuuga]

Yeah. For me it's a lot hotter if she's actually there to witness it though. As an example of what I like to see here's a scene from my mod escalating a little. Starts off like this (the white girl is the GF):

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And escalates to this:

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What game is this?

 

[stevejackhammer]

Interesting stuff, but I'm not sure you can just swap roles and it works. The motivations are more complex.

A man wants his woman to be faithful for a basic biological imperative -- to guarantee the paternity of children. It's the way he knows he's raising his own kids and not the kids of another man. I'm talking deep-seated drives here that are in play even if the couple aren't planning on kids.

A woman wants to have healthy children, so she wants to be impregnated by stronger men. So she might cheat on a weaker male with a stronger one. A woman can generate only so many children in a lifetime, and each takes 9 months and a lot of biological investment to cook up, so each has to count. A man can impregnate a small town's worth of women in a few weeks, so he doesn't have to be picky to end up with at least a few good kids. He invests all of five minutes to create each kid (maybe an hour if he takes the woman out to dinner first). Her drive to pick the best partner is necessarily stronger than his.

In a cuckold relationship, the man gets pleasure from seeing "his" woman fulfill that imperative of being with another, presumably more desirable, man. It's a humiliation because why else be with that guy unless that guy was a better partner. In an odd way, it is also an act of generosity towards her, though still tainted with humiliation. "I know I come up short, so it's ok for you to be with this stud."

His pleasure in being humiliated is what makes it a paraphilia for him.

What of the cuckqueen? Her man's sex with that other woman isn't really going to affect her own kids, current or future (in the cuckqueen scenario, the man goes back to his original partner). But if her man is a good catch, and the partner of the other woman is a weaker, less desirable, example of the male species, allowing her man to be with that other woman is helping that other woman out. Indeed, it's a power move, and yet it is also a manifestation of a need to have her decision validated by others. "Your man is inadequate, but I'll lend you mine for the night. It proves I was right with my pick."

The overwhelming need to have her choice in a partner validated by other women making the same choice (if just for a night) is what drives her to share her man, and that's what makes it a paraphilia for her.

In both, there is a sense of insecurity lying at the heart of the cuck behavior, but each manifests very differently.

[I know I'm writing all this from the point of view of basic biological drives. We're more than just animals, sure. But the animals drives matter.]