AI art turns me off and I don't know why

tanstaafl

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lol here comes the "ai art haters dont really hate it" apologetics
you got us. we actually think crappy, creepy ai art looks good and hot. we just hatin ai, bro. we are secretly ai bros, bro. :HideThePain:
No one said anything close to that.
 

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the post just before mine
That post specifically said the opposite, that most people hate AI art because it is crappy and low effort

Good AI art is indistinguishable from handmade art. That's what makes it good. There just isn't much of it, because it is hard to make.

For example, can you identify which of these images I just generated using AI:
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Does this turns you off OP?
Sharing an abomination of AI doesn't do anything for the argument. We all know AI fucks up. I can just share one where it got the form right...where does that leave us? I do wish AI could do better facial expressions though. That is, imo, where current AI lacks the most. It can't do emotion representation correctly at all, instead just a facsimile of lifelessness.
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That post specifically said the opposite, that most people hate AI art because it is crappy and low effort

Good AI art is indistinguishable from handmade art. That's what makes it good. There just isn't much of it, because it is hard to make.

For example, can you identify which of these images I just generated using AI:
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these look like ass bro

maybe they are indistinguishable to u cuz u hate art
 

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That post specifically said the opposite, that most people hate AI art because it is crappy and low effort
i disagree. this is what he said
if it's looks good and it's hot, i don't care.
it seems like you only lose interest on the images after you recognize then as AI generated so the issue is not images themselves, but an association on your unconscious mind.
he literally says it is not the images but the association to ai that makes you lose interest. if ai art is crappy and you don't like crappy art then you would lose interest independent of realizing it is ai or not. so the opposite of what he is saying.

Good AI art is indistinguishable from handmade art. That's what makes it good. There just isn't much of it, because it is hard to make.

For example, can you identify which of these images I just generated using AI:
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i like none of them since they all have ugly manga faces but i like the one sitting on the bed the least and it feels more like ai than than the others if i had to guess. but i don't know what point you're trying to make. i never said i could 100% see what is ai generated. but look at adult games with ai art and it looks crap to me.
 

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he literally says it is not the images but the association to ai that makes you lose interest. if ai art is crappy and you don't like crappy art then you would lose interest independent of realizing it is ai or not. so the opposite of what he is saying.
my answer was to op specifically, because of what he said.
if the issue for him is not quality or morals that leaves out something he himself is unaware of i.e. his own , which guess what? sexual arousal is controlled by,
and by .
 

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I understand the hate, I just don't accept it, cause it's usually gen-Zers yelling the loudest following the dumbest people possible, but for some reason when I YELL AT YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKING TEENAGER TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LISTEN, you never follow my good ideas, let alone my bad ideas. Skirts with sneakers in the summer, ARE YOU DENSE, 15 YEAR OLD GIRL? Call the fucking fashion police and have this teenage girl's rights to be called a "she" removed since you gen-Zers are so obsessed with pronouns. "Social justice warrior" the most superficial kind of justice for the dumbest possible things ever. Go to China & India with that bullshit you pussy.

Cause unlike most people I'm always behind the scenes to know what good AI art looks like, how it's made, I listen to smart engineer-tier people who know what they're talking about. I see original AI art everyday and not that garbage you see from a Google search. I browse threads with artists posting entire art. Proper AI art requires you to make your own models & LoRAs and inpaint a shit ton. Stable Diffusion or Dall-E 1 started from impressionism art because the way the AI works is similar to your human eye looking far away and imagining things, like seeing something that looks like a cute girl till you see her upclose at all her detail and what you imagined wasn't what matched from memory and your own imagination. That's why AI art is still so fever dream and blurry looking when upclose. They're trying to make the case now that AI doesn't even understand the words you throw at it , even if throw the dictionary and the thesaurus at it.

I love how all these know nothings yell about "muh art" meanwhile 2009+ artists adopted a retarded practice en masse and you all accepted it as normal. Tracing the lineart from a 3D model you posed instead of drawing the character pose from scratch by a 2D reference. It started much earlier, but it was popularized by some retarded artist from Marvel because "it was fast & optimized" more like talentless and lazy as all hell. And then people kept wondering "Why does this art look 3D as hell or copied from somewhere?" jeez I wonder why. Art programs went as far as including a 3D model pose for "artists" to trace from. To the point they'r tracing the goddamn facial features and copying the exact lighting from their 3D models. Same with AI art.
Imagine showing an artist from the 1500s infinite paint and simply removing the paint all for free, with no funding from a king ... and kids these days still can't art worth a shit and act all entitled about everything. Musicians don't act so smug cause musicians are littered with copyright laws on top of laws on top of more laws and they're obligated to work together with others like sound editors, designers, vocalist, etc.
If 2008 writing schools didn't disband then instead of the early messages of "don't sell out and don't pander to others ... unless you're certain you'll become rich" the message would have become "if you thought abstract art was the death of art(and it was) then wait till you see the aftermath of what it caused, wait till you get a look at these entitled talentless hacks that draw worse than a 6 year old yet demand $1500 plus tip for their drawings that don't even deserve to be put on the fridge". Try to put any artist nowadays to do sketch concept art work and they completely fail because almost every industry on very front died in the 2008 with the economic crash and got replaced by blind men guiding other blind men. I've heard horror stories at SCAD of actual talented kids who went thinking they'll learn something only to them themselves up teaching those retarded 30 year old TEACHERS AT A COLLEGE how to animate a goddamn basic walk cycle. They ask you to take a million courses filled with these 30 year old young know nothings and sometimes 50 year olds who have no business with the trade who got hired on nepotism cause they knew the dean just to have a job. They're destroying an entire industry. I was in contact with a veteran Disney animator and he told everyone who listened to his stream that he had the worse HR possible, incredibly anti social, incredibly passive, incredibly with the head in the clouds. And incredibly young and talentless like putting a literal 15 year old giving out pamphlet flyers to hire a fucking 65 year old veteran and even going through retarded shit like "Prove to use you can animate... okay let me give you a questionaire which I have no idea how to answer myself but I'm looking at the answers at the end." Human Resources used to be something quality, it used to be about making connections and keeping in contact with the person and telling him what future jobs they have in stock for him, giving him motivation to work and knowing what he's working. Today's HR is literally a 15 year old child who doesn't belong there ruining your company. HOW CAN YOU HIRE A CHILD FOR HR, ARE YOU INSANE? No no, I'll say it like it is; this is a combination of global sabotage and imbecility, imbecility caused by elites and natural factors of people being dumb and young generations of executives inheriting companies they were never thought how to handle. So they hire another bunch of know nothings. Companies used to teach how you to do things, you used to learn at the job, now they expect you to know everything cause they themselves have no idea how it's done. But they have no idea how to do anything, not even keep in contact with you. I 50% blame the internet on this lack of social skills on the fucking HR of all things, the organ that was suppose to be the most sociable that was suppose to act like a manager giving you offers like a newsletter and making connections for you, just like musician and actor managers, WITH TODAY'S HR INSTEAD ... they expect you to do the connections for yourself, they expect you to come to them after you're done with your job instead of the fucking HR doing their job supervising you and coming in to check you. A bunch of generation of mentally stunted womanchildren & manchildren. Even the fucking women have become socially maladjusted freaks who stare in their phones or stare blankly at you not knowing what the hell they're suppose to do. Yet when somebody intelligent comes to tell you what you do you ignore him, because doing what he tells you to do takes effort and he tells you in a serious manner, not in that retarded lingo with emoticons like we're playing fucking Runescape drawing penines out of qpw and doing a little roleplay with Suzie in Habbo Hotel at the age of fucking 25 or 32, for fucks sake when will you mature the fuck up?

It's the same problem as Flash animators who can't use the tween option worth a shit , they have no idea when to use tween, for what its used, when to use, how to animate with it.
Only the truly talented can utilize it properly, while phillipinos, canadians and other low-effort scum slide those sliders all over the place like they're animating a levitating ball on a character that should obey weight to feel believable. Toonboom nowadays has 3D capabilities where a 3D model has a 2D texture and a certain lighting applied to make it look 2D like Paperman. It used to be in-house only available to Disney, before Toonboom Harmony released.
 
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my answer was to op specifically, because of what he said.
if the issue for him is not quality or morals that leaves out something he himself is unaware of i.e. his own , which guess what? sexual arousal is controlled by,
and by .
but it could just as well be that he finds the art unappealing when noticing things like the lighting which rubs him the wrong way. then it's about the ai making it unappealing to him, not that his mind makes it unappealing purely because of association to ai
that's what association means in this context yes
 

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he literally says it is not the images but the association to ai that makes you lose interest. if ai art is crappy and you don't like crappy art then you would lose interest independent of realizing it is ai or not. so the opposite of what he is saying.
One could argue that saying all ai art is crappy proves the opposite of what you are trying to say. But first, not all AI art is of humans or at least approximations of the human form (elves, fantasy stuff, etc.) So I need you to clarify your statement. Is your statement actually "all ai art is crappy" or "all ai art that approximates a human form" crappy? Because, the first statement is ludicrous. The second one has some merit due to limitations of AI currently. (I.E. approximation of emotion, finer details, etc.)
 

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but it could just as well be that he finds the art unappealing when noticing things like the lighting which rubs him the wrong way. then it's about the ai making it unappealing to him, not that his mind makes it unappealing purely because of association to ai
that's what association means in this context yes
now you are just being pedantic, lighting? really? op himself said he doesn't know why, trying to speculative on things another person is unaware of is pointless,
for all we know he stubbed his toe when viewing AI generated images and now associates it bad memories.
 

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I'm ambivalent towards it persoanlly

Some of it can look real good if done correctly. I tend to avoid games which use it but I'm willing to give it a chance as long as the artwork looks decent.
 

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now you are just being pedantic, lighting? really? op himself said he doesn't know why, trying to speculative on things another person is unaware of is pointless,
for all we know he stubbed his toe when viewing AI generated images and now associates it bad memories.
uhm, he was the one who said it was about the "lightning pattern [sic]", i'm just referencing what he said. he didn't know why the lighting turned him off. and it could be because the ai makes it in a way that turns him off which means it is the ai not the association that makes it crappy to him. since he doesnt express the sentiment that "knowing it is ai makes it crappy", it supports that is is not the association
 

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uhm, he was the one who said it was about the "lightning pattern [sic]", i'm just referencing what he said. he didn't know why the lighting turned him off. and it could be because the ai makes it in a way that turns him off which means it is the ai not the association that makes it crappy to him. since he doesnt express the sentiment that "knowing it is ai makes it crappy", it supports that is is not the association
he said the lighting makes him realize it's ai which doesn't mean anything by itself.
 
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he said the lighting makes him realize it's ai which doesn't mean anything by itself.
that's not what he said. that's your interpretation of it, which is at best speculation on your part. i'm not gonna quote him again to prove you misrepresent what he actually said because i've already corrected you once. if you want to discuss what's been said, make sure you actually know what's been said