All NSFW games on Itch are now hidden by default.

[OsirisGames]

is there any reason to upload games on itch?

 

[balitz Method]

is there any reason to upload games on itch?

Itch is generally a really solid platform with a lot of traffic. The ability to set your game's price to free but allow people to support you if they like it allows you to grow a supportive fanbase without a barrier to entry.

 

[Count Morado]

Funny. Because you literally did say, in this thread, its "right" because its the law.


Someone says its not right that you can stone a gay to death in the ME, and the law needs challenging, and you say "no it IS right because its the law, doesnt matter what you THINK is right, its 100% to do with what is legal"
laws change, bub. Payment processors should not be involved in legal transactions. Period

They are a SERVICE, they also benefit from the lack of accountability, if I pay for ** using their SERVICE, they arent held accountable. And yet they want their cake and eat it too because they also want to be able to dictate what I can and cannot pay for by using their service as a weapon. They dont want accountability for the consequences of being hands on, but they want the benefits of being hands on. Cant have it both ways

The insidious thing of this duopoly is "if you use an alternative payment partner, we will pull our service" This blatantly violates EU anti trust trading laws. You cannot, for example, cut someones power because they used a competitor, thats how you get monopolies.

But let me guess, you will either ignore this entirely, cherry pick responses and ignore arguments you cant fight, or just deflect with a bad faith take because all you can do is suck the cock of the corporations.
You cannot even understand the simple concept of the canary that just died in the coal mine and why we all think this is bad.

Please point to me saying what you claim. Because you quoted me out of context. Go back and read. it has nothing to do with what you thought it did.


If everything I said is factually correct, it does make me right.

I did NOT say what is being done is right. I never said that. I said what is being done is legal.

Know the difference.

So your first paragraph's example is void because it was set up on a false premise. If it was legal to stone someone to death - I would not say it is right. I would say it was legal - no matter my personal view. Know the difference.

They do NOT lack accountability - interstate commerce is one of, if not the most highly regulated industry in the world, outside of maybe weapons manufacturing. They are accountable to laws - state, national, international - on all scopes of commerce. They are also accountable to their stockholders.

Speaking of accountability - several governments are in the process of holding visa, master card, etc accountable for possible antitrust violations. However, unless I missed something, those tactics are not being used with Steam, Itch, etc - not affecting the topic of this thread. If I missed it, I again, would say that appears illegal and they should be held accountable (and it appears governments are moving forward).

This is not a canary in the coal mine --- what this is a perfect example of is "the sky is falling."

Steam fucked up and should have had these rules in their TOS from day one. They are at fault with that.
Itch has had the rules on their site for at least a decade. It's their fault they didn't enforce their rules.

While all these actions are coming all at the same time, remember that Gumroad, Patreon, Pixiv, etc have all had to do the same enforcement months and many years ago. The payment processors and the platforms haven't changed what is being removed --- just that they are actually being removed. Games that shouldn't have been on their sites in the first place, based upon their own TOS and agreement with payment processors.

And again, developers who have been flying under the radar this whole time is at fault for trying to pull a fast one. developers who didn't read the rules to begin with is at fault for not making sure they knew they were in compliance from the start. This is not a new conversation - it's one that has been had for years on this site and many others about "how to get away with it" instead of "how to change it."

 

[peterppp]

It's almost like my first comment was a reply to someone.

Again, you might want to read the comment threads before you post here. lol

i have read all posts, so you can stop using that excuse. here is your reply and what you replied to

and it's their entire reply to you. and no one in that chain of the discussion used political slurs.

on another note, i think all of you should stop discussing collective shout's political leaning. it's pointless.

 

[The Goblin Archives]

Is there anywhere indies like me can go to upload their stuff now? Maybe I'm overreacting but this is devastating news for me.

 

[Aveert]

I don't know where the org is against abortion. I could see that though. However, nothing I've seen they have been against immigrants. They're against human trafficking, is that what you mean? Because that's not immigration, that's slavery. lol

The founder and the leader of this organization is a well-known conservative who talks about a lot of conservative agendas. Just check her Wikipedia page.

You must be registered to see the links

 

[EETPMC]

And again,

You must be registered to see the links

was an article on cuties. I'm not saying I 100% agree with her viewpoint, but I don't think it's really a solid argument point in this particular discussion. It comes across as more of a strawman than anything.

I mean, they didn't call No Mercy a "cultural artifact". That article is 180 compared to the stuff they have written in their other posts. It's extremely hypocritical to their mission statement which is very hardline. There really is no defense to their posts if they truly are what they say they are.

 

[Fluffy_Kaeloky]

Is there anywhere indies like me can go to upload their stuff now? Maybe I'm overreacting but this is devastating news for me.

I would be interested as well.

 

[Insanatee]

Have to believe this is not permanent. These types of movements run out of steam quickly after a few months. Either that or they end up pushing too hard and have to retreat.

 

[DuniX]

Is there anywhere indies like me can go to upload their stuff now? Maybe I'm overreacting but this is devastating news for me.

You are here.
Getting paid is another question.

 

[EETPMC]

Itch is generally a really solid platform with a lot of traffic. The ability to set your game's price to free but allow people to support you if they like it allows you to grow a supportive fanbase without a barrier to entry.

Does itch really have that much traffic though? In an hour on F95 devs usually have like way more upvotes and comments than most itch game pages that have been up for a year. A lot successful devs here don't even have an itch.

 

[The Goblin Archives]

You are here.
Getting paid is another question.

Sure, f95 is amazing but I can't really post devlogs/progress updates about my game outside of the comment section or making unrelated posts on my profile, unless theres something i'm missing?

 

[EETPMC]

The founder and the leader of this organization is a well-known conservative who talks about a lot of conservative agendas. Just check her Wikipedia page.

You must be registered to see the links

Well see, I'm not relying on a wiki page, I'm getting my info DIRECT from what they have actually posted on their website and Twitter feed.

 

[anne O'nymous]

In a year or two, they'll come for fellatio, then facesitting, maybe anal after that. Then it's NTR's turn, and in the end, they'll come for vanilla.

Edit: If it's not clear who "they" refers to, it's payment processors.

How long is "a year or two"? I'm asking because I'm hearing this since Patreon started it's ban late 2017, and I'm pretty sure that it was more than 7 years ago...

 

[EETPMC]

Sure, f95 is amazing but I can't really post devlogs/progress updates about my game outside of the comment section or making unrelated posts on my profile, unless theres something i'm missing?

From what I have seen people post devlogs in patreon/substar/discord. Most people on F95 don't care about progress updates, only releases. People who care enough to donate are going to be on your links.

Itch dev updates have very low engagement from what I have seen. Usually less than 10 upvotes even for popular games.

 

[bigfapper6969]

Fellow fappers, it's over for itch. F95 remains the final bastion for our NSFW games.

 

[The Goblin Archives]

From what I have seen people post devlogs in patreon/substar/discord. Most people on F95 don't care about progress updates, only releases. People who care enough to donate are going to be on your links.

Itch dev updates have very low engagement from what I have seen. Usually less than 10 upvotes even for popular games.

It is low, but outside of an update is the only source of engagement I get. So I guess I'm screwed lol

 

[Fluffy_Kaeloky]

From what I have seen people post devlogs in patreon/substar/discord. Most people on F95 don't care about progress updates, only releases. People who care enough to donate are going to be on your links.

Itch dev updates have very low engagement from what I have seen. Usually less than 10 upvotes even for popular games.

From experience, even though there isn't that many likes on dev updates themselves, the game does receive a huge boost in views and downloads on itch after an update or new release.

We wouldn't have the current support we have if we didn't post our game on Itch and had the visibility that it offers. No SubscribeStar, Discord, or Patreon (And even F95) can do that at the scale that Itch did for our game. And that's why this worries me.

 

[Lunarius]

Non-con NSFW for now. Although considering "Collective Whatever" seems to be one of the main instigators behind this, i wouldn't be surprised if they eventually decide to go after the actual-con games too...

Also, non-con Japanese will be mostly unaffected, i assume. It's Western non-con that's taking a massive hit

The Visa-Mastercard monopoly has already been going after Japanese outlets like DLsite for half a year now, though...

Case in point: "DLSite just deleted the 'petite' tag and blocked off access from overseas " - X (Twitter)

I even suspect that this is how Collective Shout and like-minded agitators got the idea. "Hey, why not turn them against Steam and Itch.io as well?"

 

[RPDL]

Is there anywhere indies like me can go to upload their stuff now? Maybe I'm overreacting but this is devastating news for me.

You are overreacting But it's to be expected given the position you're in.

Give it a week or two and wait for the dust to settle. Itch will remove the games they don't want and things will go back to normal. Unless your game is about incest or rape obviously, in which case I'd probably start rewriting your script.