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Bacace124

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The art is actually incredible, the style is like... super soft and extremely cute. My only gripe is that I hope interaction with guys is more avoidable but whats in now is fine tbh. There are already some really hot scenarios so it can only go up from here :)

Also ran into a bug when trying to open the message history to the guy. I chose to send him the non-selfie pics after exploring all the other options (taken by the redhead best friend).
 

dev_muffin

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Using the mouse wheel is a natural thing to Renpy game players; if it's not available then as you can see most will just presume this option was blocked (as that's something Renpy games can do, too) If you aren't blocking it on purpose then it's probably best to just bring it back.
yea, I try to figure out the problem for the next release.
 

ffive

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Goddammit, I don't want to be the trap, I want to fuck the trap. Why is every trap game focused on mc's feminization? That shit's fucking gay.
Well, if you want to fuck a trap then the "fucking gay shit" should be right up your alley..?

(slightly more seriously, there's games out there which let MC fuck dickgirls, including traps; so feminization is hardly something every trap game focuses on)
 

Bacace124

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Goddammit, I don't want to be the trap, I want to fuck the trap. Why is every trap game focused on mc's feminization? That shit's fucking gay.
I can't tell if this is a joke or what LOL

If you want to fuck men even if the men are feminine then I mean you are gay asf - but yeah I think there are probably a good chunk of games that focus on the small femme pov
 

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Goddammit, I don't want to be the trap, I want to fuck the trap. Why is every trap game focused on mc's feminization? That shit's fucking gay.
Dude, don't get hung up on it. In our country, if someone jerks off to femboys or futanari, it means he does not fill his head with stupid reasoning. He's already a man and he determines what to jerk off on. So much a man that everything around is too feminine and some guy with the habits of a woman is perceived as a woman. This is already on the subconscious. Harsh Chelyabinsk men after a shift each time arrange a gachi fight to identify the dominator for this evening. You also need to not think about morality and self-identification, but just decide for yourself what you want to masturbate to. You associate yourself with the protagonist, but you have to put your dick on top of everything and just jerk off to the action
 

Creiz

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He got that ass tho.
Aye, which is good. You know, ass can make up for a lack of titties. But both is always best.

Yeah and I think its better this way. looks more like a "femboy" that way. Besides we have lovely other chars with big fat tiddies
Sure. It's better *for you*. Him having huge titties is better *for me*.

It's always nice to have some options. Not because something is possible does it mean you *have* to do it.
 

balitz Method

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If you looked not only at Leviticus, but at Genesis, Corinthians and Romans, you would be left with the impression that there is categorical opposition to same-sex relations.
It's kind of an interesting subject that requires a bit of historical context to properly parse.

The short version is that most ancient historical texts, including the Bible, which make some mention of condemning particular homo practices do so in the context of viewing the act as one of domination and humiliation. It was common for a conquering army to not only enslave those they conquered but to rape the men in order to physically cement their loss, by 'lying with them as though they were women' (a familiar phrasing) and in doing so lower their status to that of women (property). This is a mindset that continues to inform attitudes toward m/m relations. Anyone who's read/seen/played an erotic game with feminine boys, whatever they happen to call them, has seen a scenario where the boy is physically lowered in status (feminized) as part of the play.

We can know this by both looking at what homosexuality it does forbid and what it doesn't. There's no mention of f/f relationships being verboten and likewise none condemning father/daughter relations (and it is so very thoroughly specific about listing each and every one - there's a passage about an uncle's wife married into the family - that any omission is significant) and, in context, this was because women belonged to either their father or their husband. While it might not have been good for a father to have sex with his daughter it was within his rights; by that same token any relations with other men, even if they were consensual on her part, were considered rape. As they understood rape a woman could not violate another woman and so there isn't a passage that calls it abomination.

That word, too, in its original definition does not refer to something inherently bad but rather 'terrible to a particular person/group under certain circumstances'. What we see in these texts, then, is usually a condemnation of status-lowering rape and kadesh - which were those aforementioned underage boy sex slaves/prostitutes that were often dressed up as girls.
 

dev_muffin

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Okay, that's cool. But will there also be more? Like a lot more? Will it be possible to avoid women, if not totally, then at least mostly?
yea, there will be a lot more. but not so fast :)
I'm not full-time developer of this game :p do something only in evenings, and art takes much time actually, for the artist.
 

dev_muffin

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Well, if you want to fuck a trap then the "fucking gay shit" should be right up your alley..?

(slightly more seriously, there's games out there which let MC fuck dickgirls, including traps; so feminization is hardly something every trap game focuses on)
well, yea, maybe everygame. but here it's not about "feminization", it's more about "femboinization" :D
femboys and futanari here are not "modifications" of male or female, it's kinda of separate "sex".

Just thinking about the "gender" is wrong word to describe the difference like tried to did it before.
I hope, sequences in new update will describe it better.
 
Mar 4, 2022
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```
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "renpy/common/000statements.rpy", line 569, in execute_call_screen
store._return = renpy.call_screen(name, *args, **kwargs)
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 7, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 7, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 8, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 12, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 13, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 13, in keywords
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 14, in <module>
AttributeError: 'Location' object has no attribute 'image_name'

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpyc", line 4, in script
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ast.py", line 2015, in execute
self.call("execute")
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ast.py", line 2003, in call
return renpy.statements.call(method, parsed, *args, **kwargs)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/statements.py", line 278, in call
return method(parsed, *args, **kwargs)
File "renpy/common/000statements.rpy", line 569, in execute_call_screen
store._return = renpy.call_screen(name, *args, **kwargs)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/exports.py", line 3136, in call_screen
rv = renpy.ui.interact(mouse="screen", type="screen", roll_forward=roll_forward)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ui.py", line 298, in interact
rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 3325, in interact
repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, pause=pause, pause_start=pause_start, **kwargs)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 3737, in interact_core
root_widget.visit_all(lambda i : i.per_interact())
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 568, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 568, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 568, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/screen.py", line 436, in visit_all
callback(self)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 3737, in <lambda>
root_widget.visit_all(lambda i : i.per_interact())
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/screen.py", line 447, in per_interact
self.update()
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/screen.py", line 637, in update
self.screen.function(**self.scope)
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 7, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 7, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 8, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 12, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 13, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 13, in keywords
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 14, in <module>
AttributeError: 'Location' object has no attribute 'image_name'

Darwin-21.6.0-x86_64-i386-64bit
Ren'Py 7.4.11.2266
Becoming a Femboy 0.1.0
Thu Oct 20 08:29:36 2022
```
 

ffive

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Just thinking about the "gender" is wrong word to describe the difference like tried to did it before.
I hope, sequences in new update will describe it better.
I think describing it as "gender" is fine, it's just the game isn't all too clear that MC have landed in the universe which recognizes 4 different genders instead of 2 the player is used to -- the explanation you get from the nurse can be skipped and i suspect quite a few players have done exactly that.
 

dev_muffin

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```
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "renpy/common/000statements.rpy", line 569, in execute_call_screen
store._return = renpy.call_screen(name, *args, **kwargs)
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 7, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 7, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 8, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 12, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 13, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 13, in keywords
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 14, in <module>
AttributeError: 'Location' object has no attribute 'image_name'

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpyc", line 4, in script
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ast.py", line 2015, in execute
self.call("execute")
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ast.py", line 2003, in call
return renpy.statements.call(method, parsed, *args, **kwargs)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/statements.py", line 278, in call
return method(parsed, *args, **kwargs)
File "renpy/common/000statements.rpy", line 569, in execute_call_screen
store._return = renpy.call_screen(name, *args, **kwargs)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/exports.py", line 3136, in call_screen
rv = renpy.ui.interact(mouse="screen", type="screen", roll_forward=roll_forward)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ui.py", line 298, in interact
rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 3325, in interact
repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, pause=pause, pause_start=pause_start, **kwargs)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 3737, in interact_core
root_widget.visit_all(lambda i : i.per_interact())
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 568, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 568, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 568, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/screen.py", line 436, in visit_all
callback(self)
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/core.py", line 3737, in <lambda>
root_widget.visit_all(lambda i : i.per_interact())
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/screen.py", line 447, in per_interact
self.update()
File "/private/var/folders/cf/112pfq5s20xg2wt8rz3gsbg00000gn/T/AppTranslocation/8E12BBD9-5D30-44C7-891E-6F00E1A3BC1E/d/becoming_a_femboy.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/display/screen.py", line 637, in update
self.screen.function(**self.scope)
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 7, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 7, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 8, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 12, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 13, in execute
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 13, in keywords
File "game/scripts/features/map/map_screen.rpy", line 14, in <module>
AttributeError: 'Location' object has no attribute 'image_name'

Darwin-21.6.0-x86_64-i386-64bit
Ren'Py 7.4.11.2266
Becoming a Femboy 0.1.0
Thu Oct 20 08:29:36 2022
```
probably, problem is you tried to play with the save from demo version. try to start a new game.
 
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It's kind of an interesting subject that requires a bit of historical context to properly parse.

The short version is that most ancient historical texts, including the Bible, which make some mention of condemning particular homo practices do so in the context of viewing the act as one of domination and humiliation. It was common for a conquering army to not only enslave those they conquered but to rape the men in order to physically cement their loss, by 'lying with them as though they were women' (a familiar phrasing) and in doing so lower their status to that of women (property). This is a mindset that continues to inform attitudes toward m/m relations. Anyone who's read/seen/played an erotic game with feminine boys, whatever they happen to call them, has seen a scenario where the boy is physically lowered in status (feminized) as part of the play.

We can know this by both looking at what homosexuality it does forbid and what it doesn't. There's no mention of f/f relationships being verboten and likewise none condemning father/daughter relations (and it is so very thoroughly specific about listing each and every one - there's a passage about an uncle's wife married into the family - that any omission is significant) and, in context, this was because women belonged to either their father or their husband. While it might not have been good for a father to have sex with his daughter it was within his rights; by that same token any relations with other men, even if they were consensual on her part, were considered rape. As they understood rape a woman could not violate another woman and so there isn't a passage that calls it abomination.

That word, too, in its original definition does not refer to something inherently bad but rather 'terrible to a particular person/group under certain circumstances'. What we see in these texts, then, is usually a condemnation of status-lowering rape and kadesh - which were those aforementioned underage boy sex slaves/prostitutes that were often dressed up as girls.
Romans 1: 26-27 "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Granted, I've only read the Old Testament once, but I believe that Incest was frowned upon, as laid out in Leviticus and even if technically not forbidden (as in the case of Father-Daughter) relations, stigmatized, as it would seem to be the case from the story of Lot.

From some quick research on my part, I would gather that abomination (and the two jewish terms from which it derives, merged into one in both English, and my native German (giving me pause, as the first lines of the first source I consulted made it seem as if Luther had been perhaps somewhat unfaithful) is far greater in the breadth of its condemnation.

I reckon neither of us is a theologian, nor a historian of biblical circumstances and happenings, but it would seem curious to disagree as mightily as we do.
 

balitz Method

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I reckon neither of us is a theologian, nor a historian of biblical circumstances and happenings, but it would seem curious to disagree as mightily as we do.
I'm a bit rusty on it, this was mostly a cooledge side interest in ancient civilizations that naturally included historical-religious texts, but I did write an old paper that was on this subject specifically. I thought it was interesting how different the modern interpretations of these are from their classical contexts.

As far as Romans goes it's not as cut and dried as it seems.

First here's the whole context:

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the degrading of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen.


For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.


And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind and to things that should not be done. They were filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, craftiness, they are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, rebellious towards parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. They know God’s decree, that those who practise such things deserve to die—yet they not only do them but even applaud others who practise them.
(Romans 1:24-32)


First, their sin is very particularly said to be giving up God for a lie. They have abandoned God and so God has abandoned them to their lusts. It has nothing to do with what they’re doing but rather why they’re doing it - and we can see that because the passage in question is not in isolation but in the context of describing what became of them for this abandonment.

Second, the use of the word 'unnatural' here is marked. The Bible actually has an example of what a 'natural' homosexual love looks like in the story of David and Jonathan:

I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan;
greatly beloved were you to me;
your love to me was wonderful,
passing the love of women.
(2 Samuel 1:26)


Then Jonathan made a covenant with David, because he loved him as his own soul. Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that he was wearing, and gave it to David, and his armour, and even his sword and his bow and his belt. David went out and was successful wherever Saul sent him; as a result, Saul set him over the army. And all the people, even the servants of Saul, approved. (1 Samuel 18:3-5)


This is something that's not often brought up because it seems very out of place in the contemporary understanding to have a scene that celebrates both a love between men that surpasses that of their love of women and is sanctified and tacitly approved of by those around them. If this is a homosexuality based in love that is to be celebrated then these people described in Romans are having unnatural relationships not because they're homosexual but because they are defined by pure carnality (note the use of 'degrading' passions and remember the contexts in which homosexuality is seen as domination/brutality rather than expressions of love) rather than by a legitimate attraction. Thus, along with all the other vices they're described as falling into, the thrust is their subservience to the flesh and lack of any tenderness for each other.

How can we be convinced that it was not the homosexuality itself that was being called out? Well, take a look: that list of bad things, which are called evil unambiguously, not only fails to mention the homosexuality but doesn't use the word 'unnatural' to describe any of them. Homosexuality is specifically singled out not to say that it's bad on its face but rather to say that their homosexual relations became the unnatural sort - the lustful sort. That's where our 'abomination' distinction is important. This is not a softer type of condemnation but a specific rather than a general one; one that is bad under certain conditions and to certain people.

This attitude is another one that we can see reflections of today. People still tend to make a distinction between faggotry, which is seen as degrading, shameful, driven by pure lust and so on and gayness, which has love woven into it and whose virtues can be recognized by most. You might even say that the best answer to the old 'are traps gay?' argument, if you -really- care to have an answer at all, is that traps and femboys are driven by love and are therefore quite natural while sissies &c, the ones that focus solely on emasculation, are faggy/unnatural/pretty gay.
 
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