Ren'Py Blood Ties [v0.2.10] [BaconLake]

[ProtDan]

Ngl, I'm here more for the flame war than the game itself at this point, more entertaining. The game is pretty DOA for me, honestly no chance of any type of redemption considering the hedonism is baked into the setting. You'll take your used up whores, with literal miles of dick taken up various holes, and like it. :V

Still, I am yet again baffled by seemingly forum or AVN veterans utterly failing the vibe check for their game. Is it inflated confidence that they can pull off what almost every other game failed at? Do they just forget their experience in the forums when they started making the game? Is it trying to cast a wide net without committing or is it single mindedness towards their story? What makes them so blind to the very obvious first impression and backlash that always comes with stuff like this?

Anyways, always kinda funny when the author is apparently a forum user but somehow missed the myriad dead games, of a genre that they actually like, that tried this ambiguous approach to tags vs actual content. Like, what the tags imply and what was shown is miles apart, lmao. Even the many "not NTR" renders wasted so much production time that could have been used for literally anything else, like moving the story along or giving more depth to the characters(outside of them being mega hoes), or quite literally procrastinating and not making them. At least the romance tag got removed, now it's just the harem boys that have issues, the romance boys can't complain. :V

Honestly, removing the harem tag and leaving the group sex one should fix everything. You don't advertise to the harem(and romance) crowd anymore and they will slowly stop posting after a while. What you're left with afterwards is anyone's guess but them's the breaks.

 

[ffive]

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And...? So this game tries to cater to two different crowds. A game trying such thing doesn't mean these two are the same people. Just like games which have paths for NTR and NTS address different interests of different folks.

3. The most important one, because mfers pushing the virginity retardation are always, 10 out 10 times going for the mom fucked dad joke/gotcha when its clear that virginity has fuck all to do with peoples issues.

I think people mainly go for these jokes because it clearly triggers (some) harem people and make them go malding how "no this is absolutely not about virginity, i'm just deathly allergic to learning a character had sex with someone other than my MC, this is crucial difference, see".

Funny you should use an example that perfectly proves my point, what does the clothing shops flashback scene in SL add narratively?

Funny you would think this proves your point, where the actual point was that the uproar was about entirely optional scene that people who "just don't want to see it" simply didn't have to see. But merely knowing that the completely optional scene was there was enough to send them into frenzy. Which hardly matches the claims how "it's not about sex itself, it's about having to see it".

Its such a weird hill to die on, I think for whatever reason you made this group your mortal enemy and instead of blocking the 10-15 extreme accounts, you instead project them into the entire spectrum. Its actually bizarre, becasue I've seen you around the forums a lot and this is the first topic where I cannot find logical reason for why you insist on this easily disprovable take.

Hmm i think i see the possible issue here -- the thing is, i'm not projecting the extreme on the entire spectrum. I'm talking specifically about the extremes. I suppose you may thus feel wrongly included and accused of things which aren't true for you, and this is the source of your objections?

I am known among the friends group as the guy that always goes for the bad bitch, if I cared about virgins, Quinn, Riona, Camila, Sage, Bella, Nicole wouldn't be in my top 10. Hell, of the top of my head the only virgin I actually like is Layla from Intertwined, so, think about it, if I am making this argument its because the disingenuous nature of the discourse.

OK, so you specifically don't care about characters having sexual experience. Then, consider this, maybe this discussion doesn't apply to you, but to those folks who actually are bothered about characters having previous sex way more than you are? You don't need to bat for them in this case, they can fight their own fights if they feel so inclined.

To use your christians analogy, this seems sort of like a situation where a person talking about fundies calls them simply christians, but this cause a non-fundie feel wrongly portrayed, but they counter this not with acknowledging the existence of actual spectrum, but instead push back with "all christians are actually very reasonable folks (because i, personally, am)"

I suppose i could switch to using "the allegedly fringe group of harem enjoyers who are overly sensitive to any mention of sex with characters other than MC", instead of simply "harem enjoyers" if that makes things better and help you feel not swept up with the radicals? It's a bit of a mouthful, though.

 

[oidex]

The whole thread has devolved into baseless speculation and projection at this point.
I mean, what do we actually know about the LIs so far?

The Mother - For all we know she might have only touched a man twice in her life. Once in the flashback and once at the conception of the MC. Probably not, but hell, if we blindly speculate in one direction, why not the other? After all, we only ever see her interacting with women after that.

Abi - While sexually active, we don't see her with any guy, and she even makes it a point that, while she joined the mile high club, it was with a women, and she didn't sleep with the prince, but his sister. For all we know, she might have kept her male v-card for the MC because she always had a crush him or whatever.

Chloe - Ok, wasn't a fan of her backstory/being forced either.

The twins - They are shown to fool around with each other a little. Given that they were slated to be bound to the MC, it's not at all unlikely that they might have kept themsevles (relatively) "pure" for him.

Maya - We know jack shit about her, apart from that we have some kind of connection and that we never see her with another man, flashback or otherwise.

The Maid - Depends an your choice. If you chose to treat her like property, she's going to be treated like property. If you chose the friendly approach, the most phyiscal contact with another man she might have had, may have been a single spanking.


Given that the dev stated that there won't be any NTR, what makes all the "ran through"/"public toilet"/"taken miles of dick" speculations more likely than the above?

PS: Before anyone homes in on the virgin part, that was just for the sake of argument. I'm into MILFs, I don't give a shit about virginity.

 

[Juerhullycin]

I mean, what do we actually know about the LIs so far?

Nothing

because there are no characters in the game.

I just quote myself

The worst approach you can make when you target the harem crowd is to lead with the sexuality of the LIs. Yeah, Yeah, we get it, you are making an Adult Visual Novel with Adult themes. But did you know that there are different themes which make a story adult besides sex? Conflicts arise for other reasons besides sex, and people can be motivated by other stuff besides sex.

and probably the most important point the overwhelming majority of Harem fans are vanilla as fuck, they dont want to see their LIs in sexual situations with other People, nobody cares if she found god and was reborn after the scene, nobody cares if it as 100 years ago, nobody cares if they didn't know MC exists at that point in time.

Would you want to see a 1-hour clip of the highlights of her past sex live every time you date a girl? IF so, weirdo! But I don't, I don't want to see her with others, I don't want to even think about it.

you tagged the game with romance, you can see how that would clash with the portrayal of the Lis we got in the first part?

 

[xibuf]

well, im just here to say I like the game. keep the updates coming man.

 

[Danilo marques]

Is this game a harem with NTR?

 

[daycallmebiggnutt]

Is this game a harem with NTR?

No, none of the girls are your actual girlfriends yet so every sex scene except one is you watching the girls fuck other people or you watching flashbacks of the girls having sex with other people. The dev did say that when the girls become part of the harem they will stop having sex with other people, however at this point, they are still having sex with other people because none of them are in the harem yet.

 

[W4Yt20]

And...? So this game tries to cater to two different crowds. A game trying such thing doesn't mean these two are the same people. Just like games which have paths for NTR and NTS address different interests of different folks.


I think people mainly go for these jokes because it clearly triggers (some) harem people and make them go malding how "no this is absolutely not about virginity, i'm just deathly allergic to learning a character had sex with someone other than my MC, this is crucial difference, see".


Funny you would think this proves your point, where the actual point was that the uproar was about entirely optional scene that people who "just don't want to see it" simply didn't have to see. But merely knowing that the completely optional scene was there was enough to send them into frenzy. Which hardly matches the claims how "it's not about sex itself, it's about having to see it".


Hmm i think i see the possible issue here -- the thing is, i'm not projecting the extreme on the entire spectrum. I'm talking specifically about the extremes. I suppose you may thus feel wrongly included and accused of things which aren't true for you, and this is the source of your objections?


OK, so you specifically don't care about characters having sexual experience. Then, consider this, maybe this discussion doesn't apply to you, but to those folks who actually are bothered about characters having previous sex way more than you are? You don't need to bat for them in this case, they can fight their own fights if they feel so inclined.

To use your christians analogy, this seems sort of like a situation where a person talking about fundies calls them simply christians, but this cause a non-fundie feel wrongly portrayed, but they counter this not with acknowledging the existence of actual spectrum, but instead push back with "all christians are actually very reasonable folks (because i, personally, am)"

I suppose i could switch to using "the allegedly fringe group of harem enjoyers who are overly sensitive to any mention of sex with characters other than MC", instead of simply "harem enjoyers" if that makes things better and help you feel not swept up with the radicals? It's a bit of a mouthful, though.

WORDS!

By the gods...everytime I see a comment of yours, I'm reminded on how utterly patronizing some of the people on this forum really are! Mr. Ffive just go and enjoy your cuck games and be in peace already!

also...its kind of funny that the usual suspects are always on this threads

 

[Maxram]

I hope the dev won't be affected by this. Evaluations are always mixed. Just like everyone encounters various people in their lives, such a promising game should continue.

 

[Danilo marques]

No, none of the girls are your actual girlfriends yet so every sex scene except one is you watching the girls fuck other people or you watching flashbacks of the girls having sex with other people. The dev did say that when the girls become part of the harem they will stop having sex with other people, however at this point, they are still having sex with other people because none of them are in the harem yet.

That makes a bit of sense since in real life there are married women cheating hahaha.

I think the game is more like netori since the MC is going to steal the lovers of the guys they're sleeping with.

 

[BakaHu]

So no virgins all well experinced whores

Sloppy seconds harem game

 

[Juerhullycin]

That makes a bit of sense since in real life there are married women cheating hahaha.

I think the game is more like netori since the MC is going to steal the lovers of the guys they're sleeping with.

There will be no Netori because the "LIs" aren't lovers of anyone. They are whores who sleep with everything, pulse or not, it doesn't matter.

 

[mumudef4]

No, none of the girls are your actual girlfriends yet so every sex scene except one is you watching the girls fuck other people or you watching flashbacks of the girls having sex with other people. The dev did say that when the girls become part of the harem they will stop having sex with other people, however at this point, they are still having sex with other people because none of them are in the harem yet.

The protagonist would need at least three dicks to stop these sluts from having sex with other men.

For example, he has 7 harem members, but he can only fuck 3 per day. The remaining 4 harem members will go find other men to have sex with, because they are all sexually open and slutty vampires. Makes sense, right? Please calculate how many dicks the male protagonist needs to maintain harem stability.

Even if the developer says that these vampires won't have sex with other men after joining the harem, I don't believe it—who's the fool here? The developer literally described these slutty vampires as ones who would die if they don't have sex at least once a day. If you don't fuck them that day, they'll definitely go find other men to do it with, like big-dicked werewolves or something.

 

[chiefkilic]

In its current state, the game is extremely bad. The women all look like they're from a cyberpunk movie, covered in ugly tattoos and with a lot of metal on their faces and nipples. On top of that, they've all been gang-banged multiple times. And they're all lesbians. My only hope for the game is that the developer introduces a few normal women without tattoos and metal on their bodies. Maybe one or two virgins would be good too; after all, vampires love virgins because their blood tastes so good. And please, make some women heterosexual. Not all women in the world are into licking pussies, but if you look at the games here, everyone thinks lesbians are normal, but they're not. (Translated with Google)

 

[Juerhullycin]

The protagonist would need at least three dicks to stop these sluts from having sex with other men.

For example, he has 7 harem members, but he can only fuck 3 per day. The remaining 4 harem members will go find other men to have sex with, because they are all sexually open and slutty vampires. Makes sense, right? Please calculate how many dicks the male protagonist needs to maintain harem stability.

Even if the developer says that these vampires won't have sex with other men after joining the harem, I don't believe it—who's the fool here? The developer literally described these slutty vampires as ones who would die if they don't have sex at least once a day. If you don't fuck them that day, they'll definitely go find other men to do it with, like big-dicked werewolves or something.

MC is now the leader of his Clan and they will probably have a kennel somewhere on the premises. He can keep his LIs there together with the other hounds and bitches. That would also solve the dick problem.

 

[SamualHand]

In its current state, the game is extremely bad. The women all look like they're from a cyberpunk movie, covered in ugly tattoos and with a lot of metal on their faces and nipples. On top of that, they've all been gang-banged multiple times. And they're all lesbians.

Very good summary and we love it!

 

[dddkingddd]

why does the plot advance so quickly?
why does every conversation meander, before falling off a cliff?
why are we being introduced to half a dozen more vapid sluts when we still haven't characterized the ones we've already got?
why is the mc so aloof in all this?
are there any stakes at all? i mean, it's not like they can die right?
so why are we hiding now? is there something that i'm forgetting?

i don't remember anyone's name and i'm still upset about that.

 

[RNasc4444]

i don't remember anyone's name and i'm still upset about that.

I've played this 3 times. I'm enjoying so far. But it's hard to disagree with your points.

The characters are dreadful, theres no way around that. They all act and sound the same. Like vapid bimboes. There is no variety of thought, personality or design to them. The dialogue is poor. But if you read the codex, the lore is pretty damn good imo.

I can't remember most of their names either right now. I know there is one purple hair bitch called Ines. I know the twins Layla and Kayla and that's it. I just call the 3rd sister "tattooed bitch".

I'm fine with all that, it's only the first update after the original release. What I'm frankly more concerned about after playing this one is the lack of choice/agency on the player's part. There aren't many games anymore that feature forced sexual content because devs learned from prior feedback. Yet here, my MC is forced to engage in sexual activity with the disgusting tattooed bitch and I can't do anything to stop it. That makes the alarm bells start to sound.

If the MC is gonna be forced into sexual activity with all the vamp whores without any input from the players, that's an issue for me. I'm not risking any bloodsucking STD's