VN Ren'Py Blurring the Walls [v0.5.4] [Torimiata]

[The Loli Lover]

All of this is correct, but as many have said in the past, it is either extremely coincidental timing or bad acting that the remake started the moment "actual action" was ramping up, and again the "reworking of old content" > The current game's content is fine as is. You're free to work on your game how you please - but let's propose a few logical things that could happen, hopefully none of them do, but: You could lose all care and abandon the project, funding could dip to the point you can't "afford" to do the project (you may do it sparingly in freetime, but will lose the drive with low financial return), Patreon could outright remove the game (rules for erotic games have been more strictly pushed as time has gone on. They could eventually outright ban all content using AI in any capacity, which gets your game off the platform OR ANOTHER REMAKE...) Finally, and this one we hope for the least, cause you're a person before a creator, you could pass away - terrible to think, but all of these are very real possibilities.

There have been games that ended literally one update before the finale (e.g. Girlfriend Tapes); it's not inherently just impatience, but by every metric, the longer the game goes on, the less chance of it seeing an ending. You were confident the release window would be quicker. We're not even remotely close to where we were, and I'd bet we won't be back to where we were for the 2.5 or 3-year anniversary... 3 years of game development with no actual "intimacy with the bull" in a NTS game is INSANE. I always appreciated the slow burn, but this story was meant to be a week(?) long getaway of a couple where they open up their sex life

Before you came along, we had Fallen Eros say he thought the game (Hana) would be done in about 2 years of development. It's been nearly 4 years, and what do we have now? 1 incomplete main game, a disjointed side part of the main game which was meant to be for a side character ntr(s) of Hana (yet it still focused on Yuma...), and a side game called "Gravure...". In addition, we have the other game "... Aiko", likely made so he didn't have burnout just solely working on Hana anymore.

DarkCookie (Summertime Saga dev) literally did one of the most horrendous things a dev could do, which was full reworking the game like 7 years in or some bs, who is to say you won't just do another remake when AI gets EVEN better as we get back to the party again this time next year?

It becomes an issue when you're trying to make a finished product and you consistently push it back to "improve it" Your vision matters, but people want a finished product for once. A ridiculous amount of these games get put on hold, abandoned, or become a co-project along with another. No one would fault you had it been this way from the start, but even if we add the additional starting 7 months development time, we wouldn't be where we were.

I don't really read manga, yet I was told the My Dress Up Darling Manga was cut short due to the mangaka getting ill, and she didn't wanna risk not giving it an ending (so in anime terms, she cut around 6 episodes worth of content and gave it an ending). Did this upset some? Yeah, obviously. But while you can be happy she's alive, you have to admit it's commendable to at least FINISH the project.

I worry that this game will literally take the next 5 years to finish for a trip that in-universe is meant to take place over a week and doesn't involve time travel of any kind...

Again, all respect for the work being put in, no part of me has or will say the product itself is shit - it's not, and people would be delusional to say say.
But most people expected more progress by 2+ years of development, and based on track record, it's a real possibility that you remake again... no one wants a 2nd remake

 

[quandin]

Appreciate the detailed feedback. You clearly care, even though you've moved on, and I respect that.

Going to address the main points

I get the frustration about still being on Day 3, it's valid from a timeline pov. It's taking longer than I hoped to get back to the Party Arc.

But let me be blunt: if I wanted to milk this, there would be significantly better ways to do it. This is a solo side project and despite the support (which I'm grateful for), it can't even match half of a full-time job salary.

The remake already has more words, CGs, and animations than the OG ever did. Last update alone had 200+ CGs. That's not milking.

Days are just denser and more complex now... more depth, choices, character development.

The pool/hot-tub scene alone has more physical escalation than OG Day 4 ever had. This sets up a much more interesting rest of the holidays.

If that's not important to you, totally fair. But the work and dedication is there.

I'm making the game I'd want to play and I'll stick with that vision, even when some decisions turn out controversial. I do still hope players give it another go at a later time and enjoy the new content!

Could you maybe still have the cg's for the previous versions expected blowjob scene?

 

[weenmaster1]

Honestly I know this game is supposed to just be a week getaway but lowkey if barely anything happens in that week like just some flirting/touching with Terrace and the game goes on and see's stuff happen later on after the trip that would be fine with me especially if it leads to a future Halloween story because seeing Ayumi in the recent special was hot

 

[FMarshallboy]

I remember Torimiata saying that Ayumi only performed fellatio on Terrace, but there was no sex, unless I missed one of the many announcements on Discord.

 

[The Loli Lover]

Honestly I know this game is supposed to just be a week getaway but lowkey if barely anything happens in that week like just some flirting/touching with Terrace and the game goes on and see's stuff happen later on after the trip that would be fine with me especially if it leads to a future Halloween story because seeing Ayumi in the recent special was hot

See he could change his mind on this, but I believe he said he didn't want to add to the game endlessly. As in he wanted to make it "the trip" and done, perhaps returning to the couple or other characters for side stories or alternate routes if he thought it good later on.

Main point is I'm pretty sure he doesn't want it to be an Indecent Wife Hana in which it goes from something that should be "this sorta time frame" to "infinitely long sandbox game" (Hana isn't sandbox, but that game was meant to be finished 1-2 years ago, hard max).
The main hope would be that the game has a snowball effect, that once Ayumi and Terrace have done SOMETHING, it's repeatedly flowing from there. If he keeps up the current time spacing between progression of sexual content when there has been new progress, that'll be milking.

Even the most successful netorase games do one of two things: sex-sex-sex - break for plot reasons (perhaps husband gets insecure, yada yada) OR, and this is more common, long build up - sex-sex-sex.

Current formula is: ton of text - minimal bull progress - ton of text - minimal bull progress. If we get her to stroke his dick or blow him, and then it remains "ToT - MBP", that'll just be beyond boring. Even in real life, cuckold dynamics snowballing is the norm.

We can just hope that Tori genuinely means well and that he has good progress planned.
My main worry has been and will continue to be all these needless side characters... I, along with 99% of people, do not give a fuck if the MC is fucking other women; we have Ari for that if the dev wants an option. Instead, I see these designs and they're clearly made provocative in order to sell their sex scenes. Even if Terrace is the one dicking them down, I won't care much.

It's just strange to me that atelier sakura and other huge NTS releasers have games featuring "MC, Wife, bull 1, bull 2, bull 3 (max)." Those bulls usually have their own specific routes, so it's technically only 3 characters at a time.
Yet this game now has 6 characters, 8 once we reach the party (white haired guy and the party girl from the maze).
I will be very blunt in saying, I don't even care for Ari most of the time - I don't want a ton of lesbian scenes in a netorase game, there's a reason Japanese devs barely do it: It's a very small niche. I'm fine with some kissing, a couple threesomes with Terrace, but 1 on 1 constant lesbian action? Meh

 

[luluxor]

Wait, how much do you all earn in america? How is nearly 3300 dollars of earnings per month for the game about half of a full time job, I was lied to about america's salary.

 

[dale73]

Wait, how much do you all earn in america? How is nearly 3300 dollars of earnings per month for the game about half of a full time job, I was lied to about america's salary.

In my state minimum wage is $32000 a year. So if you have an actually carreer in my state, you would be making alot more.

The US median household income was $83,730 in 2024, and the median weekly earnings for full-time workers was $1,196 in the second quarter of 2025. While the average household income was higher at $121,000, the median is a more accurate representation of a typical household's earnings because it is less affected by very high incomes.

 

[luluxor]

In my state minimum wage is $32000 a year. So if you have an actually carreer in my state, you would be making alot more.

The US median household income was $83,730 in 2024, and the median weekly earnings for full-time workers was $1,196 in the second quarter of 2025. While the average household income was higher at $121,000, the median is a more accurate representation of a typical household's earnings because it is less affected by very high incomes.

Oh woah, I had no idea, I always assumed the salaries were simliar to the ones we have in europe but I guess it makes sense actually, thank you I'll sleep less dumb tonight haha

 

[dale73]

Oh woah, I had no idea, I always assumed the salaries were simliar to the ones we have in europe but I guess it makes sense actually, thank you I'll sleep less dumb tonight haha

Yeah every state has their own minimum wage but they cannot set it lower then the Federal minimum wage. My state is pretty high for minimum wage. Now $3300 a month is a very nice side hustle tho lol

 

[BingusCollective]

I'm not positive but I do also think Tori lives in Hawaii, which is one of the highest cost of living states in the US.

 

[Gollok69]

our neighbor, Vivienne View attachment 5375061

 

[weenmaster1]

See he could change his mind on this, but I believe he said he didn't want to add to the game endlessly. As in he wanted to make it "the trip" and done, perhaps returning to the couple or other characters for side stories or alternate routes if he thought it good later on.

Main point is I'm pretty sure he doesn't want it to be an Indecent Wife Hana in which it goes from something that should be "this sorta time frame" to "infinitely long sandbox game" (Hana isn't sandbox, but that game was meant to be finished 1-2 years ago, hard max).
The main hope would be that the game has a snowball effect, that once Ayumi and Terrace have done SOMETHING, it's repeatedly flowing from there. If he keeps up the current time spacing between progression of sexual content when there has been new progress, that'll be milking.

Even the most successful netorase games do one of two things: sex-sex-sex - break for plot reasons (perhaps husband gets insecure, yada yada) OR, and this is more common, long build up - sex-sex-sex.

Current formula is: ton of text - minimal bull progress - ton of text - minimal bull progress. If we get her to stroke his dick or blow him, and then it remains "ToT - MBP", that'll just be beyond boring. Even in real life, cuckold dynamics snowballing is the norm.

We can just hope that Tori genuinely means well and that he has good progress planned.
My main worry has been and will continue to be all these needless side characters... I, along with 99% of people, do not give a fuck if the MC is fucking other women; we have Ari for that if the dev wants an option. Instead, I see these designs and they're clearly made provocative in order to sell their sex scenes. Even if Terrace is the one dicking them down, I won't care much.

It's just strange to me that atelier sakura and other huge NTS releasers have games featuring "MC, Wife, bull 1, bull 2, bull 3 (max)." Those bulls usually have their own specific routes, so it's technically only 3 characters at a time.
Yet this game now has 6 characters, 8 once we reach the party (white haired guy and the party girl from the maze).
I will be very blunt in saying, I don't even care for Ari most of the time - I don't want a ton of lesbian scenes in a netorase game, there's a reason Japanese devs barely do it: It's a very small niche. I'm fine with some kissing, a couple threesomes with Terrace, but 1 on 1 constant lesbian action? Meh

I agree that there may be an excess amount of characters and I also don't really care for Ari either but Tori made the post introducing Vivienne pretty promising and I can see some use and potential for her as a character although if he kept it minimal and just straight to the point we would be getting quicker updates but I trust his vision and I am in no rush to see the end of this game

 

[Mori91]

I'm not positive but I do also think Tori lives in Hawaii, which is one of the highest cost of living states in the US.

I though he was living in Japan.

 

[snajones]

Amazed that people still pay this scam artist money. When will you all learn. lol he's cucked all his paying customers for 3 years.

 

[The Loli Lover]

Amazed that people still pay this scam artist money. When will you all learn. lol he's cucked all his paying customers for 3 years.

With all due respect, adding 12 months is hilarious... If we remove the first 12 months entirely, we would get the original game gone entirely, at which point no single person would be complaining about the old speed vs the new speed. But you've went even further back and thrown on an additional 12 months of "scamming" claim.

Being blunt, the first 7 months are 100% not scummy/scammy in any way. The original game was moving at a very good pace; I didn't see a SINGLE person saying "slow down" or "we're going too fast". The remake has had this issue, but in the opposite way: "too slow-burning now". I even share the sentiment that these new versions are just too slow, but I also just decided to withdraw funding until a version drops that includes new-world content (until we're back at the end of the party).

If we just said he's scamming and that it was indisputable, the scam period can only be 14-18 months, not 3 years

(Edit - even then, he is delivering updates, just at a very slow speed. It went from decent-ish progress speed every 2 weeks or so to now 3+ months per update cycle for some animations that he originally had said somewhere that he didn't feel were worth delaying the game for. The animations are great, but if we assume they're the reason we're getting 3+ months between updates that feel smaller than ever, then it's not a scam, just a weird investment)

 

[Athres]

We can just hope that Tori genuinely means well and that he has good progress planned.

It is pointless. When he again will reach the point of first proper NTS action, he will start another remake, because "current tools are too old and with new one I could do it better and faster" (spoiler: it would be the other way around) or something. Then he will make pace even slower than it is now (Blurring the Wall probably the most slow paced H-game I've ever play in my life). He will add even more characters (Ari alone is already took too much screen and pace time), which make pace even slower and steal screen and pace time from MC.

Worst part - dev doesn't give a damn about players opinion and would "stick to the vision" even if his income for the game reach zero.

P.S. I abandon this thread since april and just looking into some leaks from Patreon and notice 3 key things:
1) There would be no real progress in next update again. More new characters, less time for MC.
2) Time for each update increasing massively, so dev broke his promise again. How many times has he broken his promises?
Point two is one more proof that he lied about "all pics are ready" back in last winter.

And don't take it wrong, I greatly enjoy slow build up and "corruption", but current pace is like ten times slower than bare minimum of "acceptable" for me. This game, which once was my top-2, now is top-1 worst. It would be MUCH faster for you all guys to learn how generate proper AI-arts (+training LORA's) and making Ren'Py games and create you own version of BtW (just for yourself) than wait until first proper NTS action appear in game.

 

[Torimiata]

Things I care about:

• Delivering quality updates
• Constructive feedback from actual supporters (patrons or not)

Last update: 200+ CGs, 40k+ words, multiple routes. Positive feedback. Support still double vs OG.

I get Day 3 timeline frustration - hoped for Party Arc by now too. But the work is there. Escalation already beyond OG too.

Some care more about in-game days than content depth. Check back when it's further along, it will get there.

To those dropping 1-stars while continuing to hate-reading this thread: You are not my audience, you are complaining a steakhouse doesn't serve tofu.

Game continues.

 

[Dimitry710]

Things I care about:

• Delivering quality updates
• Constructive feedback from actual supporters (patrons or not)

Last update: 200+ CGs, 40k+ words, multiple routes. Positive feedback. Support still double vs OG.

I get Day 3 timeline frustration - hoped for Party Arc by now too. But the work is there. Escalation already beyond OG too.

Some care more about in-game days than content depth. Check back when it's further along, it will get there.

To those dropping 1-stars while continuing to hate-reading this thread: You are not my audience, you are complaining a steakhouse doesn't serve tofu.

Game continues.

Some people only seek to generate hatred.
Those kinds of people shouldn't be given even the slightest attention. Good luck with your project, Torimiata.

 

[telly1712]

Things I care about:

• Delivering quality updates
• Constructive feedback from actual supporters (patrons or not)

Last update: 200+ CGs, 40k+ words, multiple routes. Positive feedback. Support still double vs OG.

I get Day 3 timeline frustration - hoped for Party Arc by now too. But the work is there. Escalation already beyond OG too.

Some care more about in-game days than content depth. Check back when it's further along, it will get there.

To those dropping 1-stars while continuing to hate-reading this thread: You are not my audience, you are complaining a steakhouse doesn't serve tofu.

Game continues.

Dont get Frustrated - you are doing Great Tori…

 

[Overnight999]

Yes I agree with the previous post, I enjoy what you're doing. Can't wait next update...