Ren'Py Brothel King [v0.3] [Goldo]

[Jman9]

Trying this out in Android using Joiplay...

For example: The back button is small to touch and I mistakenly press something else instead.

I assume the right-click equivalent is even worse?

 

[Suwi]

I assume the right-click equivalent is even worse?

Yeah, it's bad to play it in Android but!

I figured it out, it's just that my dumbness that got to me and I made the game work out just fine and now currently at Chapter 2.

 

[Rexdot The Seeker]

```
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "/storage/emulated/0/Download/Brothel King/Brothel_King-pc/game/script.rpy", line 126, in script
init -2 python:
File "/storage/emulated/0/Download/Brothel King/Brothel_King-pc/game/script.rpy", line 133, in <module>
config.keymap['game_menu'].remove('mouseup_3')
ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "/storage/emulated/0/Download/Brothel King/Brothel_King-pc/game/script.rpy", line 126, in script
init -2 python:
File "renpy/ast.py", line 914, in execute
File "renpy/python.py", line 2028, in py_exec_bytecode
File "/storage/emulated/0/Download/Brothel King/Brothel_King-pc/game/script.rpy", line 133, in <module>
config.keymap['game_menu'].remove('mouseup_3')
File "renpy/python.py", line 731, in do_mutation
ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list

```


I barely need help

 

[Paitryn]

Can't you just do nothing? If you only have one girl who's in bed and recovering, what are you spending money on?


These actually have been changed so that if you have max goons, no warning is triggered. Mostly because at that point you really can't do much more about it.


GO? What hurt her, an event or a girl-beater?

Goons admittedly scale kinda poorly after chapter 1 during actual security events. Reserving some AP and being strong or a Warrior are pretty good there.


Ramias? Spend money to get more stock? Admittedly, I've never had to experience this myself because Bonanza-Ramias is positively drowning in hardware.


GO screens? Luck (RNG) in security? Opening? Merchants selling you lots of weapons without excessive re-stocking? I'm afraid you're losing me here.

You really need to relearn how the start of the game works. You can't do most of the things you suggest until you finish the first chapter. By the time you can purchase the stock upgrades you can get the three girls to sell dedicated supplies quickly and its already a non issue.

If you spend anything, its on flowers early game because its hard to aquire good named girls without them. You see a flower in a color you dont have, you buy it. Yeah takes longer to get out of chapter one, but its worth it when you start chapter two with whores that are both named and would damn near die for you in loyalty.

GO = Game Over screens.

I went for a complete start over and really getting through the first chapter legitimately is a milestone. Everything else is just gravy after that. But once you have the second girl it's pretty much set.

Now if I knew a damn thing about modding I would bring back selling off the girls you seduce. I mean it only makes sense if you want to be the kind of pimp that seduces women into a life of prostitution and slavery to be able to sell them off when you're done with them.

 

[Jman9]

File "/storage/emulated/0/Download/Brothel King/Brothel_King-pc/game/script.rpy", line 126, in script

I barely need help

That's good, because your error seems to be a self-inflicted one. There should not be a 'game/script.rpy' at all unless you're playing it through the SDK or something similar. In which case you're on your own.

The game proper manages that shortcut in BKinit.variables.rpy.

You really need to relearn how the start of the game works. You can't do most of the things you suggest until you finish the first chapter.

Maybe. I never actually learned any of this, because I never played vanilla for more than about a month in 2019.

Yet:

• Doing nothing is largely a chapter one thing and freely available.
• Reserving AP can be done at any time.
• Ditto for training a girl until she can handle quests and then doing those.

Shop upgrades and customer management are admittedly a chapter 2+ thing.

I'm also still not clear what exactly is injuring your girls. Remember, I'm from the paradigm where the brothel starts off being a complete fire hazard, rapists injure girls, the MC pushing them too hard does as well, arsonists are the bane of your life in the slums and every time you let even one coin peek out from under your mattress the cat burglars invade en masse. So I get easily confused as to what is actually affecting you if you're not clear.

If you spend anything, its on flowers early game because its hard to aquire good named girls without them. You see a flower in a color you dont have, you buy it.

Yeah, locking the flowers until chapter 4 has been one of my biggest issues with Goldo's shop routine. My shop always stocks all colours, or nearly so.

I went for a complete start over and really getting through the first chapter legitimately is a milestone. Everything else is just gravy after that.

I thought higher difficulties and taxes crippled your game pretty harshly later on?

Now if I knew a damn thing about modding I would bring back selling off the girls you seduce.

Easy. Search BKscreens.rpy for "dismiss" (with the quotes). There should be four lines with 'Return' and then "dismiss". There's an if girl.free: before each. Change it to if False: x4.

Boom. Done. You're again a full-on sweet-talking, waif-enslaving evil pimp, just as Shalia intended.

 

[ekusonas]

If you don't think Goldo should implement these, why mention them? If you do, the previous points about it being too much in terms of dev time still apply.

I think you're missing the point. I'm giving an example of what I would consider additive gameplay elements that could possibly decrease the likelihood of a player to engage in undesirable behaviors (in this instance goldo has specifically identified save-scumming as something he wants to reduce or prevent). It may take more development effort to implement but I argue that it will provide a more positive game experience than employing prohibitive/reductive methods to control player behavior.

 

[Jman9]

I think you're missing the point.

I'm not. But I am starting to think that you are missing mine not just a little but by a mile or more.

Yes, it'd be nice if the anti-Gizel-scumming was more than just a few lines of code. Since Goldo's dev time is very finite, what do you propose he give up instead? And remember, he also needs to like implementing your proposal as well.

And adding a complex feature with a bunch of new magical-trauma traits, 'broken girl' merchants or new spells is by no means guaranteed to make the game better. Game designers play with such ideas all of the time, and a lot if it ends up in the trash bin because what seemed cool actually wasn't.

...in this instance goldo has specifically identified save-scumming as something he wants to reduce or prevent).

He has not. Goldo has expressed a desire to have a singular high-stakes feature involving Gizel he'd like to be more immune to save-scumming than other parts of the game. All other saving and loading will 99%+ likely stay as it is now.

...but I argue that it will provide a more positive game experience than employing prohibitive/reductive methods to control player behavior.

You don't argue. You state with no evidence to back it up (which is a problem since feature creep is a thing one must always watch out for, and especially as a dev with Goldo's limited resources), and under what seems to me to be an erroneous assumption that Goldo (or anyone else) wants to heavily restrict save-scumming or do away with it altogether.



Edit: Ultimately, though, I think your proposals are band-aids. Or at best an attempt to fix a leaky roof by building a whole new house.

What we really need and what would solve both this problem and then some is an alternative, 'evil' method of employing girls that makes having at least some disposable girls attractive. The problem is not 'punishment' - unless you're one of those people to whom a low dice roll is an insult from the gods/developer -, it's that the player is gambling with his seed money and the results will fluctuate too much. Goldo needs to keep this down, for the player's own good. He also wants the feature to be 'realistic' and dramatic. Nobody has yet come up with a solution that ticks all these boxes, for Gizel in particular or 'evil' players in general. We had a small discussion about an 'evil' (and also 'neutral') employment scheme on the now-defunct HHS forums, and nothing anyone came up with looked promising enough for Goldo to start working on it.

 

[__neronero]

I think it would be absolutely hilarious if you could sell/swap traumatised girls with Kosmo. I can already picture how he would fall in love with such girls; boasting about crippling your operation by poaching such raw talent right from under your nose.

Wouldn't really consider that a purely 'evil' act though.

 

[Jman9]

Well, remember the time when I had an issue with the 'valuation' formula that made super-pissed-off, super-unhappy and generally crappy girls the most valuable thing on the slave market...

 

[DougTheC]

Info from HHS+ Discord:

U — 04/18/2022
Sadly, it's not the picture that I see. SSL certificate was created a year ago and just expired today. So this is not a result of somebody's action.

U — 04/18/2022
@Sh Upd: it seems that there is an actually a new certificate from "Let's Encrypt" now. So it's actually probable that somebody actually works on getting the site back.

P — 04/19/2022
The current certificate on the hhs+ website is made for different website called <redacted>.
============

I tried contacting that other website registrant thru info from whois/godaddy, but low chance of response.

Edit: a gmail.com email address that was associated with that website is no longer valid.

Another archive cap from 2018:

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[Rexdot The Seeker]

I wanna ask what images file do? Cause it say i need put my girl pack in There, so did i need to put it or not?

 

[DougTheC]

I wanna ask what images file do? Cause it say i need put my girl pack in There, so did i need to put it or not?

Girl packs are usually downloaded as .zip files, and they should be extracted to the folder "game/girls". When you are done, there will be a folder in "game/girls" with the name of the girl, and maybe other information like what source the girl can be seen in.

The "images" folder is one that the Ren'Py game system will automatically look in for pictures. There may be something wrong with one of your girl packs or your original install, if you continue to get a message like that. Post the message here.

Note that F95zone OP does not yet have latest base game download, needed for current patch.
Here are links if you need to download the

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(v 0.2 Release), followed by

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Best done in new folder to avoid recompile problems; new game required.

Info from FAQ.

 

[dangermorph]

Now that the website is down. Is there a way to get the Tagging tool with video support??

 

[Leortha]

Now that the website is down. Is there a way to get the Tagging tool with video support??

Not sure if I have the absolute latest, but the version I have definitely have video support. If noone else provides a link to the absolute latest I'll zip up what I have and put it up on my Mega. But I'll give it a day or two for someone else to provide the definite latest. The version I have says that it is 2.8.11

 

[DougTheC]

Now that the website is down. Is there a way to get the Tagging tool with video support??

Not sure if I have the absolute latest, but the version I have definitely have video support. If noone else provides a link to the absolute latest I'll zip up what I have and put it up on my Mega. But I'll give it a day or two for someone else to provide the definite latest. The version I have says that it is 2.8.11

__neronero posted a Mega link for the same 2.8.11 version here, thinks it is recent version: Links from former HHS info

(The 2.7 tool, plus 2.8.11 patch.)

 

[stuffnstuff0]

So when a fight breaks out or goats stampede through or something and you get +100 dirt and you can't afford to clean up immediately so everyone falls sick and no girls can work so you have to get a loan but you just keep losing money so you go bankrupt and it's game over...

What do you do? It seems really imbalanced, like a long drawn out game over situation you can't stop or avoid...

 

[Jman9]

So when a fight breaks out or goats stampede through or something and you get +100 dirt and you can't afford...
...
What do you do?

Avoid being in this situation. Have a reserve for rainy days.

Get enough security to lessen or avoid the blow (e.g. 24+ goons+other security in chapter 2 or 40+ in chapter 3 avoids the problem entirely, 16+/20+ halves the penalty). You can get +security perks/traits on your girls or reserve AP for the MC to do some security work himself and add his Strength to the security value.

There's security furniture, which I think now works. There was a time when it did nothing.

If nothing else, sell girls one by one until you can afford to clean up. At worst, you should end up with one maintenance-free girl due to Sill, and work back up from there.

Play on an easier difficulty, possibly.

Save scum or cheat dirt back to zero if it really bothers you.

Personally, I also dislike how little help the goons are during an actual event (their number gets divided so they contribute roughly the same over the entire game, equivalent to ~8-12 Strength to be precise, despite threats and costs scaling higher and higher). I also dislike how not-random security is. Sometimes hiring one more goon is the difference between getting stampeded and a slightly noisy evening.

If anything, there should be a trainer that allows you to have significantly better security. Alas, Maya is pretty gimped.

 

[Rupert_]

Noticed a curious thing, no idea if it have been mentioned already. When you have a full brother and no space at a farm (but you can buy a pen) and you buy a slave, click on the option to send her to the farm and buy another pen, she gets sent to your brothel instead. Now I have 9/8 girls in my brothel.

 

[DougTheC]

So when a fight breaks out or goats stampede through or something and you get +100 dirt and you can't afford to clean up immediately so everyone falls sick and no girls can work so you have to get a loan but you just keep losing money so you go bankrupt and it's game over...

What do you do? It seems really imbalanced, like a long drawn out game over situation you can't stop or avoid...

I also think this 100-dirt security event is too drastic; we can encourage Goldo to lessen it or provide coping methods, but he has resisted in the past (and this is truly one of the few potential game over conditions here for a game challenge).

After I brought this up elsewhere, others gave me suggestions for handling the aftermath:

• Since the "clean up" immediately button on Brothel screen has a significant cost penalty, you can keep the brothel closed and clean up gradually by maxing cleaners. Requires a cash buffer to pay daily expenses, as Jman says.
• Brothel is closed and therefore not contributing to sickness when no girls assigned to normal jobs or whoring.
• Girls can be assigned to Posting quests or classes, or to farm, with no sickness risk.
• Food and items can help girls who were hurt in the security event, but may be too expensive to use in trying to keep girls working in brothel during cleanup. Stock up on one or two in advance.
• If in later game with Banker location available, consider a small loan for expenses until can finish cleaning & re-open. First-time loan on first going to/below 0 gold is also attractive at no interest, but only puts you to 250 gold in hand.
• And Jman's suggestion of selling off a girl would still be better than Game Over...

 

[DougTheC]

Noticed a curious thing, no idea if it have been mentioned already. When you have a full brother and no space at a farm (but you can buy a pen) and you buy a slave, click on the option to send her to the farm and buy another pen, she gets sent to your brothel instead. Now I have 9/8 girls in my brothel.

Does seem like it needs a fix; a related farm exploit was mentioned but not this one.

I only have three full sisters, so haven't seen this in my gameplay.