Can we have a serious discussion about eroges who punish you for having sex?

[Ambir]

Like damn, what do you want from me? this is a hentai game i will treat it as such ,do you want to teach me as lesson on self control? I'm sorry, i don't have that.

Like this extends beyond hrpgs with corruption systems, visual novels have a habit of making you feel bad for dirtying their female protagonists, even worst hiding their best and truest ending behind staying a virgin the entire game just infuriates me.

Question, what kind of games are you playing? Because there are tons of games out there that don't shame you at all for sex... In fact, I'd say that games that make you feel bad usually revolve around select fetishes, maybe? Have you thought about maybe trying different kind of games?

 

[TheGhostPizza1234]

Question, what kind of games are you playing? Because there are tons of games out there that don't shame you at all for sex... In fact, I'd say that games that make you feel bad usually revolve around select fetishes, maybe? Have you thought about maybe trying different kind of games?

i know there's a lot of games out there that don't do that, this is specificaly a problem in the female mc department, is less shaming and more punishing, imagine Emergence the infamous doujinshi that everyone knows at this point, that's a perfect example of the "corruption" tag, seeing an innocent naive character dip her toes into the adult world only to get exploited, raped, turning into a uber slut or all of the above, yes i could just play games without corruption tag, but way too many have it, even if corruption isn't a mechanic the game , locking the best endings behind not having sex is still shitty and common.

I could play games with male mc's to avoid this but the female characters in male mc oriented games might as well be cardboard cutouts, i like having an attachment with the female characters, it makes the h-scenes more impactful. This is just my own fetish and the reason why i keep running into games like this.


edit: I'm not that angry, this is just a mild inconvenience, i just think it sucks, i won't stop playing eroges because of it.

 

[Ambir]

i know there's a lot of games out there that don't do that, this is specificaly a problem in the female mc department, is less shaming and more punishing, imagine Emergence the infamous doujinshi that everyone knows at this point, that's a perfect example of the "corruption" tag, seeing an innocent naive character dip her toes into the adult world only to get exploited, raped, turning into a uber slut or all of the above, yes i could just play games without corruption tag, but way too many have it, even if corruption isn't a mechanic the game , locking the best endings behind not having sex is still shitty.

I could play games with male mc's to avoid this but the female characters in male mc oriented games might as well be cardboard cutouts, i like having an attachment with the female characters, it makes the h-scenes more impactful. This is just my own fetish and the reason why i keep running into games like this

I understand your problem perfectly. In fact, it is for this very reason that I now avoid those games. I used to like them, but I'm just a very happy person that likes to feel good, and games like this usually make me feel really shitty, so no matter how hot these scenarios can be, in the end, I just figured it wasn't worth it to play them, because I just want to have fun playing a neat game, and those aren't it.

I don't really know what else to say to you, honestly. My tastes have changed, and I'm more into vanilla games, so at this point, I'm not very interested in building corruption games anymore...

 

[Rafster]

The Female MC games should be like the male MC in gay games, where he is a slut from minute 1, and the game is an endless fuck fest from beginning to end (well, with some exceptions on the VNs. But in sandboxes it plays like that, hell my own game is like that)

But again, there is that fetish with the pure and innocent girl that slowly gets so slutty that she ends taking the whole town into her pussy. And let's not talk about rape stuff or we wouldn't end.

 

[Jinsoyun]

i know there's a lot of games out there that don't do that, this is specificaly a problem in the female mc department, is less shaming and more punishing, imagine Emergence the infamous doujinshi that everyone knows at this point, that's a perfect example of the "corruption" tag, seeing an innocent naive character dip her toes into the adult world only to get exploited, raped, turning into a uber slut or all of the above, yes i could just play games without corruption tag, but way too many have it, even if corruption isn't a mechanic the game , locking the best endings behind not having sex is still shitty and common.

I could play games with male mc's to avoid this but the female characters in male mc oriented games might as well be cardboard cutouts, i like having an attachment with the female characters, it makes the h-scenes more impactful. This is just my own fetish and the reason why i keep running into games like this.


edit: I'm not that angry, this is just a mild inconvenience, i just think it sucks, i won't stop playing eroges because of it.

I kind of understand your point. I thought about something a while ago and realized that while by number i mostly play games with male MCs, my top favorites have female MCs in them. The explanation is quite simple: i don't really associate myself with the MC when i play, even if i rename or customize them, and in games where the protagonist is a guy there are usually only 1-2 women i find interesting or fun and the rest of them tend to become fillers, while if i don't like a female MC i drop the game fast, but if i like her, then i'm guaranteed to have a girl i like through the whole story.

That being said, i think the key to your opening question is in the term "corruption". Finding such a powerful satisfaction in hedonism that one would give up everything else for it is a powerful fantasy. In these games i think that's the goal and so the full corrupted, full lust ending is the true one, while the pure and happy end is only there to emphasize the power of pleasure by showing what the MC gave up for it.

In this sense you are not punished for picking the sex filled route, rather the pure one is only there for set dressing.

Personally i prefer a lighter approach where these games and stories are in a "hentai universe" with it's own set of logic. One of my favorites, the game that brought me to this forum is a fantasy game with female MC and technically corruption mechanics as she becomes more accepting to more taboo things as her lust stat grows. But while she starts the game with the only goal of dying to get revenge, over the story and through this "corruption", she finds not only lust, but acceptance, friendship and love in most endings.

So yeah, even tho i checked out a good amount of genres here out of curiosity, i found out that i'm also not looking for misery.

 

[Dagoth Urgers]

I have a solution. How about those of you who just want to collect CGs go do that instead of playing games and then complaining to the rest of us that it's not what you wanted.

 

[Ambir]

I have a solution. How about those of you who just want to collect CGs go do that instead of playing games and then complaining to the rest of us that it's not what you wanted.

Hi, sorry if I sound dumb, I just genuinly do not understand how your post relates to OP. Could you explain to me? I really want to understand how you went from 'I don't like games that try to teach me morals' to 'All I want is to collect CGs'.

 

[desmosome]

The vast majority of "corruption" is the ahegao mind break type. I don't know what you are playing. At most, they cry the first few times before starting to enjoy it. Metamorphosis is an extreme example. 99% of hentai stories are not so bleak.

I don't even understand your complaint though. Why do you consider corruption and rape as punishment? Most people playing those games will see it as a reward. The fact that you don't like rape but insist on playing some female protagonist corruption game is baffling.

 

[morphnet]

Hi, sorry if I sound dumb, I just genuinly do not understand how your post relates to OP. Could you explain to me? I really want to understand how you went from 'I don't like games that try to teach me morals' to 'All I want is to collect CGs'.

Op's last reply on page one " i'm just collecting cgs. " i think that is where he got it. If he is " i'm just collecting cgs. " then there is no need to play the game, just extract or download the cg's.

 

[Ambir]

Op's last reply on page one " i'm just collecting cgs. " i think that is where he got it. If he is " i'm just collecting cgs. " then there is no need to play the game, just extract or download the cg's.

I kinda agree with that, tbh. This is exactly why I avoid games like OP described nowdays. The scenes might be hot, but the game themselves aren't really my taste, so I just don't bother with them at all. I've extracted some CGs, but honestly without the context, they are often not that hot when you think about it.

 

[morphnet]

I kinda agree with that, tbh. This is exactly why I avoid games like OP described nowdays. The scenes might be hot, but the game themselves aren't really my taste, so I just don't bother with them at all. I've extracted some CGs, but honestly without the context, they are often not that hot when you think about it.

I find sometimes gameplay clips are a good middle ground, giving some context but i can skip the lead in which i don't enjoy and jump straight to the scenes. But alot of the time CG's or skipping the game is better.

 

[Ambir]

I find sometimes gameplay clips are a good middle ground, giving some context but i can skip the lead in which i don't enjoy and jump straight to the scenes. But alot of the time CG's or skipping the game is better.

Idk... Lately, I'm just looking for games with a nice story or great gameplay. I dedicate a lot of my time to making my own games, so the time I am willing to spare to play games is limited, and I'd rather it be spent with games I enjoy.

 

[TheGhostPizza1234]

I kinda agree with that, tbh. This is exactly why I avoid games like OP described nowdays. The scenes might be hot, but the game themselves aren't really my taste, so I just don't bother with them at all. I've extracted some CGs, but honestly without the context, they are often not that hot when you think about it.

Thank you, usually when i'm done playing a hentai game i start to go through all events and unlock all scenes, and then there's one where is like:

"Miki-chan went to change her clothes in the changing room, Miki-chan was ambushed by 7 men and raped, Miki-chan is now broken, unable to marry and has a permanent debuff, if only you hadn't chosen to change clothes you monster"

i did not write the fucking scene, i did not know she was going to get raped, who gets raped in a changing room in broad daylight in a full mall, how did y'all fit in there?

I said this 3 times now, i am not complaining, i'm not even angry, i exaggerated my reaction for the sake of comedy, op said it best i just don't like hentai games that preach to my morals, but guess what? there's not exactly a warning, even in hrpgs without corruption mechanic.

And like i said a for the third time, it's just not my fetish, i won't stop playing h-games because of it, I understand there's people who like it, hrpgs tend to try to fit the max amount of fetishes as possible into a game, old man, ugly bastard,ect. But i still don't like this particular one

 

[Ambir]

"Miki-chan went to change her clothes in the changing room, Miki-chan was ambushed by 7 men and raped, Miki-chan is now broken, unable to marry and has a permanent debuff, if only you hadn't chosen to change clothes you monster"

That would honestly give me a good laugh. It's so ludicrious, it's hilarious

 

[TheGhostPizza1234]

I find sometimes gameplay clips are a good middle ground, giving some context but i can skip the lead in which i don't enjoy and jump straight to the scenes. But alot of the time CG's or skipping the game is better.

yeah i know, i do that sometimes, there's a game called Ariadne, the game is way too good for a hrpg, but i did not like the hscenes because Fran is a good girl and doesn't deserve all that suffering, even the person who wrote the walktrough i was reading avoided mentioning the hscenes like the plague (only mentioned the mandatory spanking scene one in a game with over 30 scenes) and actively encourages you not to get them, so i guess i'm not the only one, half way through the game i gave up collecting h-scenes and downloaded a 100% file to replay events, even then i did not really like them so i skipped most of them.

It won't make me stop playing the game tho

 

[TheGhostPizza1234]

I kind of understand your point. I thought about something a while ago and realized that while by number i mostly play games with male MCs, my top favorites have female MCs in them. The explanation is quite simple: i don't really associate myself with the MC when i play, even if i rename or customize them, and in games where the protagonist is a guy there are usually only 1-2 women i find interesting or fun and the rest of them tend to become fillers, while if i don't like a female MC i drop the game fast, but if i like her, then i'm guaranteed to have a girl i like through the whole story.

That being said, i think the key to your opening question is in the term "corruption". Finding such a powerful satisfaction in hedonism that one would give up everything else for it is a powerful fantasy. In these games i think that's the goal and so the full corrupted, full lust ending is the true one, while the pure and happy end is only there to emphasize the power of pleasure by showing what the MC gave up for it.

In this sense you are not punished for picking the sex filled route, rather the pure one is only there for set dressing.

Personally i prefer a lighter approach where these games and stories are in a "hentai universe" with it's own set of logic. One of my favorites, the game that brought me to this forum is a fantasy game with female MC and technically corruption mechanics as she becomes more accepting to more taboo things as her lust stat grows. But while she starts the game with the only goal of dying to get revenge, over the story and through this "corruption", she finds not only lust, but acceptance, friendship and love in most endings.

So yeah, even tho i checked out a good amount of genres here out of curiosity, i found out that i'm also not looking for misery.

This is honestly this is the most satisfying answer, thank you op

 

[Asia Argento]

The face you make when OP doesnt know our lord and savior Jesus Christ.
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[MandyF]

Personally, I like it. Makes it feel like I'm losing myself to depravity and loser-ness whenever I fuck myself over in the game just to get a sex scene. I do get why it would be annoying if that isn't something you're into.

 

[woody554]

having the characters wake up crying was the cherry on top of the awful cake. Like damn, what is this? i didnt come here for this i didn't want this

you definitely signed up for it. I mean you heard about the game and quite literally went out of your way to seek that game out.

on a more general note, the experience of shame seems to be a very big and pervasive aspect of japanese view on sexuality. often it feels like japanese stories very deliberately gear towards shame even when the story doesn't seem to need it. they're all about shame jizz.

similarly for the general rapeyness. in japan the main female reaction while getting fucked is to moan "no! no!" where as in west it's "yes! yes!". and I don't mean that as somekinda joke of how 'japanese think rape is normal sex' but that saying 'no' really is the idiom they use. that is their vanilla. which already frames the whole act of sex from a very different angle which to US seems more rapey than it's meant to. but what it really is about is once again about shame jizz, the female is getting off from the idea of roleplaying a chaste woman who's ashamed of being fucked. "stop making such lewd sounds!", "No! don't look at it!", "ieee! hazukashiiii!" we've all read those words a million times in japanese porn.

 

[Multy2k]

This reminds me of Monster Girl Quest

I wanted to have some action, but I will lose if I did it. And all scene is rapey rapey femdom...
This frustated me until the end... I still finished it for completion sake...

I think most side scrolling and corruption ero also punishes you for having ecch too many times.

No other genre ever punished me from doing ecch other than those I`ve mentioned...