Unity Abandoned Corrupting Mia [v0.11.5] [Boola]

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I don’t think you’ve really got the moral right to claim any ownership over, much less profit off of, something you made in large part through stealing other people’s work. If you want to use gen ai and put it out for free, that’s… fine, I guess (still didn’t get permission from the artists whose data was scraped, but I won’t split hairs). If you want to make it with all your own art, assets, coding, and writing, then charge money for it, that’s fine too. But you don’t get to have your cake *and* throw it at the walls of your glass house.
Dude, you're living in your own fantasy world. Do you think every IT product is 100% written by a single company? Wrong! Open any project, and you'll see dependencies containing ready-made solutions from other developers. I can confidently say that no project is 100% written by a single team or a single developer. We all use open-source frameworks and libraries. And these open-source libraries are specifically available for use. The team developing AI models for image generation makes them publicly available. And sells future models with improved graphics. If you don't want your code or AI model used without your permission, don't publish it. If you publish it, you give permission.
 
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Imagine you've programmed several functions and created a library from them. You then made your code publicly available for other developers to use.

But one of the developers was working for another country's military and decided not to write the code himself, but to use yours to solve a problem. Then, your country's secret service comes to you and asks why your code is being used for military purposes in another country. What would you tell them? You'd say you're not responsible for how or by whom your code was used, and you want nothing to do with it.

BUT if a multi-billion dollar company uses your open source code, you'll write them an angry letter, "Where's my money?"
 
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I'm agree with you — just want to clarify one thing though. If you're working with a free base model from something like Daz Studio and build your own stuff on top of it (Victoria 3, Genesis 7, whatever), then sell it commercially — you're completely in the clear. Daz actually encourages this. Their devs can't come after you because they explicitly want creators to build and sell products based on their base figures and tools.

With AI-generated images, it's even more open. There's no single "owner" of the AI models themselves — most are distributed freely. But here's the thing: if you publish on CivitAI, you've got full control over your work. You can disable downloads, restrict redistribution, prevent people from training LoRAs based on your models — all the way up to subscription-only or donation-based access if you want.

So yeah, you're absolutely right — I just thought it's worth spelling this out for anyone who's not familiar with the legal side of things. Honestly, I only figured all this out myself fairly recently.
 

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I don’t think you’ve really got the moral right to claim any ownership over, much less profit off of, something you made in large part through stealing other people’s work. If you want to use gen ai and put it out for free, that’s… fine, I guess (still didn’t get permission from the artists whose data was scraped, but I won’t split hairs). If you want to make it with all your own art, assets, coding, and writing, then charge money for it, that’s fine too. But you don’t get to have your cake *and* throw it at the walls of your glass house.
Hey there.

I honestly don't get the logic behind your accusation — if there's any at all. You sound more like a troll than someone making a serious argument. But even if you're not, your claims are baseless and, frankly, pretty silly.
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So... I'd suggest you check the facts before throwing accusations around. Right now, your words carry about as much weight as... a vacuum.

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1. “Presumption of innocence applies — you can’t accuse someone of copyright infringement without proof.”
2. According to standard copyright law (e.g., DMCA in the US), using openly licensed or freely distributed models does not constitute infringement.
 
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Dude, you're living in your own fantasy world. Do you think every IT product is 100% written by a single company? Wrong! Open any project, and you'll see dependencies containing ready-made solutions from other developers. I can confidently say that no project is 100% written by a single team or a single developer. We all use open-source frameworks and libraries. And these open-source libraries are specifically available for use. The team developing AI models for image generation makes them publicly available. And sells future models with improved graphics. If you don't want your code or AI model used without your permission, don't publish it. If you publish it, you give permission.
the resources in open source libraries are explicitly made open source by their creators. They give consent for them to be used freely. The AI tools you use scrape the web at large and use, as part of their training data, the work of people who never consented to such. Generative AI isn’t in any way comparable to open source libraries.
 
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Hey there.

I honestly don't get the logic behind your accusation — if there's any at all. You sound more like a troll than someone making a serious argument. But even if you're not, your claims are baseless and, frankly, pretty silly.
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So... I'd suggest you check the facts before throwing accusations around. Right now, your words carry about as much weight as... a vacuum.

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1. “Presumption of innocence applies — you can’t accuse someone of copyright infringement without proof.”
2. According to standard copyright law (e.g., DMCA in the US), using openly licensed or freely distributed models does not constitute infringement.
What do you think I am, a lawyer? I’m arguing ethics and morality, not making an accusation of criminality. My issue isn’t stealing someone’s model. I wouldn’t care if they did. My issue is that these models use works as part of their training data without the consent of their creators. Anything produced by them is morally, definitionally, plagiaristic. Making money off of the output of these models is an even worse affront.
 

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What do you think I am, a lawyer? I’m arguing ethics and morality, not making an accusation of criminality. My issue isn’t stealing someone’s model. I wouldn’t care if they did. My issue is that these models use works as part of their training data without the consent of their creators. Anything produced by them is morally, definitionally, plagiaristic. Making money off of the output of these models is an even worse affront.
You keep mixing up using data with stealing it — and that’s a pretty fundamental misunderstanding of how AI training works.

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The only thing that's actually immoral in this discussion is accusing someone of theft by literally calling them a "thief" outright.

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Think about this: you accuse the author of plagiarism or theft, yet you're using the result of his long, hard work — for free... isn't that the height of hypocrisy?

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You keep mixing up using data with stealing it — and that’s a pretty fundamental misunderstanding of how AI training works.

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The only thing that's actually immoral in this discussion is accusing someone of theft by literally calling them a "thief" outright.

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Think about this: you accuse the author of plagiarism or theft, yet you're using the result of his long, hard work — for free... isn't that the height of hypocrisy?

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One human taking inspiration from the work of others is a transformative process. They contribute their own creativity and ideas, creating a distinct and novel work. In cases where they don’t contribute enough of their own creativity, we regard it as plagiarism, or at the very least call it derivative and unoriginal. Generative AI isn’t a conscious entity and can’t contribute anything to a work. It simply outputs the average of its training data, which as I mentioned, is comprised in large part of stolen work. It’s like instead of stealing a car, you steal car parts from many different people and put them together into a car.

also, yeah, piracy is a form of theft, and I partake in it, but I think it’s a lesser form of theft than selling other peoples’ work as your own, and my original complaint was the creator bitching and whining about the game being “stolen” and uploaded on this site when its production involved a more egregious form of theft. How are you going to complain about somebody stealing something that you stole in the first place?
 

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One human taking inspiration from the work of others is a transformative process. They contribute their own creativity and ideas, creating a distinct and novel work. In cases where they don’t contribute enough of their own creativity, we regard it as plagiarism, or at the very least call it derivative and unoriginal. Generative AI isn’t a conscious entity and can’t contribute anything to a work. It simply outputs the average of its training data, which as I mentioned, is comprised in large part of stolen work. It’s like instead of stealing a car, you steal car parts from many different people and put them together into a car.

also, yeah, piracy is a form of theft, and I partake in it, but I think it’s a lesser form of theft than selling other peoples’ work as your own, and my original complaint was the creator bitching and whining about the game being “stolen” and uploaded on this site when its production involved a more egregious form of theft. How are you going to complain about somebody stealing something that you stole in the first place?
Whats the point of complaining about the ethics of AI here or if you think he should profit off of it, people will pay for it if they want to and you aren't gonna do anything about it
 

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You’re stepping on your own heels here… and, as a skilled orator would put it, you’re twisting definitions and distorting reality.
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Please tell all atoms in the universe, quarks, gluons, quark-gluon plasmas, etc., that they are plagiarists with no right to exist.
 
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You’re stepping on your own heels here… and, as a skilled orator would put it, you’re twisting definitions and distorting reality.
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Please tell all atoms in the universe, quarks, gluons, quark-gluon plasmas, etc., that they are plagiarists with no right to exist.
I'm your fan.
 
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Mia is not ready to give blowjobs to two guys at once. These games are difficult for her. On the one hand, she does it for the guy, although she understands that it is wrong. But gradually she begins to immerse herself in it and enjoy it (this can be seen in version 0.9.0, when she forgets to tell the guy about another "game" with Bob, although earlier she did it for the guy's fetish). Mia begins to like it, but she still feels that she is doing something wrong, and does not want to suck two cocks in a row, because she will feel like a slut (Mia has a rule - no more than one cock per day, but this is not yet revealed in the plot).
Fourth - Hidden Achievement! You like to notice details in pictures, right? Then you should enjoy finding this achievement too.
if shes messing with bob behind his back thats not NTS route then, thats ntr cheating. and does she really not have sex with the MC in nts and just everyone else is going too? havent gotten very far but im out if this isnt proper nts.
 
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if shes messing with bob behind his back thats not NTS route then, thats ntr cheating. and does she really not have sex with the MC in nts and just everyone else is going too? havent gotten very far but im out if this isnt proper nts.
You're misunderstanding the concepts of NTR and NTS. NTR is cheating on your regular partner secretly, without them even realizing it, while NTS is cheating on your partner at their initiative or with their direct involvement. The idea is that the partner experiences arousal from sharing their significant other and is naturally aware of everything that's going on. If you'd like to make it simpler, NTR is about cheating, and NTS is about cuckolding.
 
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