HTML Course of Temptation [v0.6.1c] [Anthaum]

[johnysanchez01]

This might be in the realm of just making shit up, but sometimes I feel like the devs get off to the systems they're building more than the porn. I feel like there's so many avenues they've created that are ripe with just slotting in more porn, but they want to make more systems instead.

This is a very common occurrence in life sim games on here. They're often very wide in terms of features but very lacking in terms of depth of content. Stuff like adding descriptors for the minutiae of everyone's physical features is rendered pointless when those aspects of characters don't apply to the story much. Same thing with all the inclinations, which mostly just serve to modify stats and make it easier/harder to juggle the needs values.

If you look at games like Dwarf Fortress, Rimworld, or even the Sims, you'll find that the most memorable moments that players chase are the ones where a storyline is created. Systems like inclinations, needs, and the appearance descriptors should exist for the sake of telling stories, not to serve as statjuggling minigames that space out h-content. The h-content and scenes should be woven into the standard gameplay loop.

The lack of noncon scenes isn't a big issue imo, especially for games like this they break immersion since it just makes serious events like rape a mere inconvenience. What needs to be there are more scenes that build off or connect to each other. If that means pruning a bunch of dead end scenes that have planned content coming Soon™ then so be it. Just focus on a core bunch of scenes with multiple variants depending on the different game states that are relevant narratively, and build more scenes off of each other.

 

[damndatboi12345]

it's a sims game with porn, in the sims you make your family and keep having children till you create a huge family tree, i dont see how the devs can create some sort of pressure other than the mom's payment, without including some sort of mafia a la summertime saga, or some fantasy a la DoL, maybe they need to create a short main story you can complete and after that you roam the game having sex or working in what you like, the game is great as a simple life sim that ends when you want

In the milkshake storyline we do know there's a sort of rich upper-class society which could have dirt on us, there's also the Greek houses but we don't know much about them yet.

 

[checheuseche]

This is a very common occurrence in life sim games on here. They're often very wide in terms of features but very lacking in terms of depth of content. Stuff like adding descriptors for the minutiae of everyone's physical features is rendered pointless when those aspects of characters don't apply to the story much. Same thing with all the inclinations, which mostly just serve to modify stats and make it easier/harder to juggle the needs values.

If you look at games like Dwarf Fortress, Rimworld, or even the Sims, you'll find that the most memorable moments that players chase are the ones where a storyline is created. Systems like inclinations, needs, and the appearance descriptors should exist for the sake of telling stories, not to serve as statjuggling minigames that space out h-content. The h-content and scenes should be woven into the standard gameplay loop.

The lack of noncon scenes isn't a big issue imo, especially for games like this they break immersion since it just makes serious events like rape a mere inconvenience. What needs to be there are more scenes that build off or connect to each other. If that means pruning a bunch of dead end scenes that have planned content coming Soon™ then so be it. Just focus on a core bunch of scenes with multiple variants depending on the different game states that are relevant narratively, and build more scenes off of each other.

Joining in a bit with what you say, the problem is that he had a vision until about 4 months ago when he came on Patreon to tell him "the rules of Patreon" and so on! (violations among other things... are prohibited.) The idea at the beginning went to the trash because of that. And if you played it from the beginning you know that it had pressure tones, like leading to prostitution, drugs, harassers for your streams while playing or chatting, like when you went up to the other platform to the racy ones and so on. Like the pain he had due to situations that were intended to be reduced by reducing exposure or how he intended to reduce pain with "drugs".

But from that moment on, everything changed. Then he left the plot line a bit empty, the jobs were complements but not the bases of the game. As now it is almost like the main one, and it is what is giving it life. "Money took a backseat" Like including pregnancy and things like that, which in the long run may give you some play! But it's not giving you anything. In the long term.

I think that no matter how many jobs and things they put in, they lost their way a bit. Because the vision they were going for can't be developed directly because Patreon cuts that off! And it's very blunt in that rule.

I had a lot of faith in the game, I've tried to make sense of it lately but there's no reason to work other than to buy clothes or pay your parents. And at one point with the bar job it's already more than meaningless.

The story line has to be completely reformed, and that takes time. Like changing lines of endless code that you may have already had in the future. He's putting in things, only he knows where the story line is going, because prostitution and other things with the Patreon rules limit you a lot. Coercion also limits you (that's why the lines of the class bully, as well as your roommate's boyfriend, are stopped)

Pregnancy can give you play, but to what extent?

 

[johnyakuza1]

Good thing they removed the rape tag from this, because there's nothing to be found here, and whatever supposedly non-con exists is quite abysmal at best. So far, I've only encountered two such events.

This is when the game warns, ‘You might not be in control’ with some NPCs, but there was nothing forceful about this. It took some save scumming and picking the ‘push cock in’ just to get this screen. Classic consensual encounter because it's “your” choice to let it happen.


This is when the FMC is stuck in the laundry machine. They can't even bother keeping the consent dubious, the FMC has to signal the consent in order to allow a supposed non-consensual event occur.

 

[johnyakuza1]

Regardless of whether it's rape or not, I wish CoT had things to worry about or actively try to avoid so that it could be more like a game. There's almost no pressure, consequence, or lasting effects for anything, and the only goal is to find new content. Maintaining your needs is trivial, making money is trivial, and getting perfect grades is trivial. Rather than a lifesim, it overall feels more like some sort of grindy CG hunter except the CGs are purely in text form. The only true resource in the game is your patience, and you simply spend those patience points to raise money, level skills, or go through the motions of the near meaningless quasi-lifesim busy work to let time pass so that you can see more scenes or extended variants of the same scenes.

Facts. Could not have said it any better. The funny thing is the content options specify—

1. Wandering Hands: Scenes involving being groped or exposed without forewarning.​

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When does the “groped” part ever happen? If the MC has a rival or a bully, they can suddenly pull down her skirt, but there's a blatant warning with a physical stat check, so how is that exactly without any forewarning?​

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I've played the game for a while, and I'm still yet to see the MC being groped without any consent or warnings. There are no random wandering hands, not even in the classrooms.​

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2. Bad Situations: Situations alluding to physical force or coercion that you may find it difficult or impossible to escape from.​

This is the biggest joke of all time, because this literally NEVER occurs.​

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You may think suddenly something bad may happen to the MC, but nothing ever happens. All the encounters are consensual; they are almost always initiated by the MC. During sex, they will always listen to MC's requests; even when the game says you might not be in control, the NPCs will give up after picking resist a few times. The only thing they won't listen to is your requests, but you can keep resisting infinitely.​

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There is no physical force or coercion; every encounter can be ended and escaped. There are no bad guys on the streets to watch out for... even while running naked at night, nothing ever happens even after getting caught. Passing out after being intoxicated? Nothing. Pathetic.​

 

[Oirgans]

Regardless of whether it's rape or not, I wish CoT had things to worry about or actively try to avoid so that it could be more like a game. There's almost no pressure, consequence, or lasting effects for anything, and the only goal is to find new content. Maintaining your needs is trivial, making money is trivial, and getting perfect grades is trivial. Rather than a lifesim, it overall feels more like some sort of grindy CG hunter except the CGs are purely in text form. The only true resource in the game is your patience, and you simply spend those patience points to raise money, level skills, or go through the motions of the near meaningless quasi-lifesim busy work to let time pass so that you can see more scenes or extended variants of the same scenes.

One of the first instances I noticed in regards to this when playing is that doing laundry affects absolutely nothing unless you have bodily fluids on them. I thought at some point wearing the same clothes over and over would more harshly affect your hygiene stat over time, and/or ruin your chances of getting with someone because they'd notice your clothes that haven't been washed in weeks, but nope. Never becomes a factor at all. Heck, you could actively be covered in fluids while going around and nobody really cares.

 

[johnysanchez01]

I can't seem to figure out how to actually gift anyone anything. What menu is it supposed to be from?

 

[GokutheG]

One of the first instances I noticed in regards to this when playing is that doing laundry affects absolutely nothing unless you have bodily fluids on them. I thought at some point wearing the same clothes over and over would more harshly affect your hygiene stat over time, and/or ruin your chances of getting with someone because they'd notice your clothes that haven't been washed in weeks, but nope. Never becomes a factor at all. Heck, you could actively be covered in fluids while going around and nobody really cares.

I could be wrong but I think if clothes are stained you get a hygiene penalty and people who would normally like the style of the stained clothes won't.

 

[AH1488]

Not to harp on the issue but on the subject of non-con there are still a few events where the player character can be some sort of "victim." On the other hand there are zero events that I can recall where you have the chance to be the perpetrator. For example you can get groped on the bus, but you can't do any groping yourself.

 

[ray3dave]

I can't seem to figure out how to actually gift anyone anything. What menu is it supposed to be from?

Talking to people gives that option. Left side panel "people" "Talk to him / her" and "offer gift". Might turn out not the most amazing feature ever, though.

 

[johnysanchez01]

Talking to people gives that option. Left side panel "people" "Talk to him / her" and "offer gift". Might turn out not the most amazing feature ever, though.

Yeah I found. Turns out you can only gift certain items like books. Not clothes or sex toys... Kinda disappointing but here's hoping that'll be expanded on.

 

[AccidentalGryffindor]

Yeah I found. Turns out you can only gift certain items like books. Not clothes or sex toys... Kinda disappointing but here's hoping that'll be expanded on.

Only a whore accepts clothes from strange men.

 

[alitaisirhasan]

I could be wrong but I think if clothes are stained you get a hygiene penalty and people who would normally like the style of the stained clothes won't.

At the risk of sounding like a child going "why" ad nauseam, but does that do anything? The only thing of note I've seen about clothes is characters will very unnaturally and robotically say "I love your X TRAIT." I guess maybe their bars go up faster? But I feel like we're getting in an ouroboros of "to what end?"

 

[johnysanchez01]

I don't think that Submissive/Dominant need to be treated as a kind of an official romantic relationship. It would probably make more sense to be considered a separate thing like how Friend is with the Friendship stat since it operates off a different attitude stat than Romance.
The reason why I bring this up is because I think it'd be cool to be able to have Dom/Sub relationships that aren't a romantic relationship thing. There could even be some interplay between existing Dom/Sub statuses and official relationships later down the line.
Any thoughts on this?

 

[Seamonkey]

I don't think that Submissive/Dominant need to be treated as a kind of an official romantic relationship. It would probably make more sense to be considered a separate thing like how Friend is with the Friendship stat since it operates off a different attitude stat than Romance.
The reason why I bring this up is because I think it'd be cool to be able to have Dom/Sub relationships that aren't a romantic relationship thing. There could even be some interplay between existing Dom/Sub statuses and official relationships later down the line.
Any thoughts on this?

I think the sentiment has merit, especially with the two being complementary meaning you could have a dominant or submissive, who also happens to say, be your soulmate, rather than having the two statuses be mutually exclusive.

I can imagine the argument against doing this would be that either the two's terms and event pools get awkwardly mixed, or they need to come up with things to account for both things being true at the same time, which is already added complexity, but the more kinds of potential combinations of relationship type you consider, could very quickly spiral out of control.

 

[johnysanchez01]

I think the sentiment has merit, especially with the two being complementary meaning you could have a dominant or submissive, who also happens to say, be your soulmate, rather than having the two statuses be mutually exclusive.

I can imagine the argument against doing this would be that either the two's terms and event pools get awkwardly mixed, or they need to come up with things to account for both things being true at the same time, which is already added complexity, but the more kinds of potential combinations of relationship type you consider, could very quickly spiral out of control.

I definitely see what you're saying here. The whole reason why this even came up is because I thought it would be awkward to enter a Dom/Sub arrangement with a character only for the game to treat it like an official relationship. I know that for certain Special characters like the Classroom Harasser this is avoided thanks to the built in storylines but for other characters I can see this potentially causing a disjointed narrative.

 

[GokutheG]

At the risk of sounding like a child going "why" ad nauseam, but does that do anything? The only thing of note I've seen about clothes is characters will very unnaturally and robotically say "I love your X TRAIT." I guess maybe their bars go up faster? But I feel like we're getting in an ouroboros of "to what end?"

Yeah I think style also affects if someone likes you or not. An example is that some people don't like when you dress greeky or slutty and that affects your relationship with them.

 

[JustForPorn12]

Facts. Could not have said it any better. The funny thing is the content options specify—

1. Wandering Hands: Scenes involving being groped or exposed without forewarning.​

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When does the “groped” part ever happen? If the MC has a rival or a bully, they can suddenly pull down her skirt, but there's a blatant warning with a physical stat check, so how is that exactly without any forewarning?​

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I've played the game for a while, and I'm still yet to see the MC being groped without any consent or warnings. There are no random wandering hands, not even in the classrooms.​

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you get groped when taking the bus without any notification if your clothes are easy-access, naturally it only advances if you allow it though
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funnily enough, with as cleanly has they have purged any sort of actual non-con elsewhere...just this one bit of actual non-con would be enough to get them kicked from patreon

its a real shame to cause you can clearly see (with pre-patreon version especially) that this game would have been so much better before it got sanitized.​

 

[johnyakuza1]

you get groped when taking the bus without any notification if your clothes are easy-access, naturally it only advances if you allow it though

funnily enough, with as cleanly has they have purged any sort of actual non-con elsewhere...just this one bit of actual non-con would be enough to get them kicked from patreon

its a real shame to cause you can clearly see (with pre-patreon version especially) that this game would have been so much better before it got sanitized.

Nah that's all BS excuses. Patreon is not like Big Brother that's always watching and prowling on their creators and looking for excuses to kick them away. There are a million of creators on Patreon, and there's are many NSFW games on F95 that are doing just fine despite having rape tags and non-con content.

It is simply the developer of this game who is too much of a pussy, and probably doesn't even like non-con anyway. There's literally no way a text-based game that has zero correlations to real life or places would get kicked just because the FMC gets groped on a bus without consent... that's just pure fucking lies.

 

[voerman]

I like the idea of a Patreon Porn Patrol Person who plays every porn game's every aspect extensively to find any instance of problematic content, then after hundreds of hours of playing bills Patreon overtime so they can sit down and write a Weekly Porn Patrol Report.