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But allow me to finally ask a much simpler, more to-the-point question: does Callum ever actually show any sign of actually caring about any of these women as more than potential penis-receptacles?
The countryside is cursed by a magic circle that makes the MC or people around the place to do perverted stuff, but they contain themselves to not do it, like a hidden switch, MC don't remember the stuff that happened in the past because the magic circle makes the people go numb, and so he forgets easily or simple doesn't know sometimes why is he doing stuff, but at the same time he just embrace it at this point, because at first he was scared and innocent, (you can tell if you start a new game) but the more time he spends in that place, the more perverted the things gets!

That's the theory
 

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Gameplay for this game is unbelievably bad sometimes. The need for a guide and the lack of guidance for getting events is frustrating.

Why do I have restart my progress and go to older saves if the progression system bugs rather than resetting my progression and triggering the requirements?
Why are some characters require # of Progression and some just 1 less to activate scenes?
Why can't there be a map displaying possible events?

And I speak as someone who has made games myself (SFW). I think content wise, this game is great but the gameplay is so horrendous at times it's not worth it. The above is frustrating to figure out even with cheats.

It took me a thirty minutes to find out Mae requires you to say no to get the horse bath and an hour to find out Emi is bugged if you don't see her after the first request to see her at 1PM permanently. You need to go to another save.

Game is in a sad state code-wise. Just too many bugs and in terms of gameplay design, it's really bad user experience.
I love the art, story, and vision but it's gotten to a point there's more time spent figuring out how the game works and what it is than playing the game.
 
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The countryside is cursed by a magic circle that makes the MC or people around the place to do perverted stuff, but they contain themselves to not do it, like a hidden switch, MC don't remember the stuff that happened in the past because the magic circle makes the people go numb, and so he forgets easily or simple doesn't know sometimes why is he doing stuff, but at the same time he just embrace it at this point, because at first he was scared and innocent, (you can tell if you start a new game) but the more time he spends in that place, the more perverted the things gets!

That's the theory
While I would be somewhat interested to hear how this theory is substantiated - that is, what evidence points to this being the case - it also sounds like a "no" to my question. Don't get me wrong, it would make him less of a scumbag if he really was being influenced by something outside of his control, but in the time I spent playing back then I don't recall seeing anything pointing to any other conclusion than Callum being influenced beyond him just seeming weirdly inconsistent.
 

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But allow me to finally ask a much simpler, more to-the-point question: does Callum ever actually show any sign of actually caring about any of these women as more than potential penis-receptacles?
It feels odd to call the little toerag by a first name when beyond the default he doesn't have one, but on the other hand repeatedly typing 'the MC' is kind of... I don't know. I'll probably waver back and forth. Anyway.

I couldn't tell you about Mabel, because I haven't gone down her path past the first two or three or so beats. Other than that?
It depends on how you prefer to see it or think it should be expressed. Callum to my knowledge never comes straight out with a "I know I'm acting like an utter lech right now but I actually care truly and deeply about all the people I interact with *wink*" but also never expresses that anybody is disposable or forgettable, or that he's trying to powderize his own pelvis out of greed. So now that we've covered the extremes... I do have an example or two of him not acting in his immediate sex-centric self-interest.

Elphaba, the witch in the woods, is kind of a magical segregationist. The magic beasties have their world, we have ours, it just works. There's an event on her route that lends a lot of credence to her thought process. Pixie does small-scale agricultural business outside of her world, which puts her in direct conflict with Elphaba's ideals. Callum would like to put his penis in both women. Elphaba catches and near-fatally drains the energy out of Pixie, which Callum puts a stop to by being very loud and whiny. Naturally, this does lead to a sex scene. But he wasn't angling for that by acting out, he just wanted Pixie safe.

Douie is married to an asshole, Mr. Carter, who cheats on her in the vineyard with some random ho on the weekends. They're both really bad at sex talk. Anyway, Callum hears about this from Mae, who doesn't really react too negatively to it. She's not happy about it, but since it works for them, it works for her, I guess? Callum doesn't share this line of thought, and thinks it's kind of fucked. It's not going to stop him from trying to pipe down Douie, naturally; I doubt he'd refrain from trying even if the marriage was healthy and Carter wasn't a dickhead. I can't blame him.
This one is more thought than action, but it counts for something that (unless I forgot, it's been a hot few minutes) he isn't trying to manipulate Douie to cheat because her husband does, he just wants to fuck her.

While I would be somewhat interested to hear how this theory is substantiated - that is, what evidence points to this being the case
I'd forgotten about the circle. It's a thing! It is a thing that is in the game. Pixie tells you about it, but it's a part of the script where the ESL hits a little harder, so the explanation seems kind of garbled at points. What I got is that it seems to soften inhibition and aversion to the odd, and that since Callum was away for a while, he's resistant to it. But he makes up for it with spirit.
 

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Elphaba, the witch in the woods, is kind of a magical segregationist. The magic beasties have their world, we have ours, it just works. There's an event on her route that lends a lot of credence to her thought process. Pixie does small-scale agricultural business outside of her world, which puts her in direct conflict with Elphaba's ideals. Callum would like to put his penis in both women. Elphaba catches and near-fatally drains the energy out of Pixie, which Callum puts a stop to by being very loud and whiny. Naturally, this does lead to a sex scene. But he wasn't angling for that by acting out, he just wanted Pixie safe.
Eh, I mean... I guess "I don't want a person I want to have sex with to literally die" is a kind of caring, but it also seems like a really low bar to pass. Still, I suppose I might have to give him some credit for taking action, though obviously without context I don't really know whether Callum was in any way under the impression that interrupting would put himself at risk.
Let me put it this way: if he thought what he was doing represented a danger to himself that'll do a lot to convince me that he might actually care, but if he had good reason to believe that he would be safe regardless... less so. At that point it just becomes save a person's life for free or just let her die, and rather than evidence of him exhibiting self-sacrifice it would just be evidence that he isn't a total psychopath. So for this example I think that context is extremely important.

Douie is married to an asshole, Mr. Carter, who cheats on her in the vineyard with some random ho on the weekends. They're both really bad at sex talk. Anyway, Callum hears about this from Mae, who doesn't really react too negatively to it. She's not happy about it, but since it works for them, it works for her, I guess? Callum doesn't share this line of thought, and thinks it's kind of fucked. It's not going to stop him from trying to pipe down Douie, naturally; I doubt he'd refrain from trying even if the marriage was healthy and Carter wasn't a dickhead. I can't blame him.
This one is more thought than action, but it counts for something that (unless I forgot, it's been a hot few minutes) he isn't trying to manipulate Douie to cheat because her husband does, he just wants to fuck her.
Eh... while I guess I appreciate that he at least has the decency to think cheating is wrong, the last part sort of negates any points that would give him. Having the opinion "I think cheating on your spouse is wrong" coexist with "I am going to have sex with this married woman" just makes him a hypocrite. That's a point against him in my book, not one in his favor.
But again I suppose context could matter, albeit less so than in the prior example: when he expressed that Mr. Carter cheating was "kind of fucked," did he do so from a place of morals ("it's fucked that he cheats on his wife") or out of sympathy ("Poor Douie, it's kind of fucked that her husband is cheating on her...")?

I'd forgotten about the circle. It's a thing! It is a thing that is in the game. Pixie tells you about it, but it's a part of the script where the ESL hits a little harder, so the explanation seems kind of garbled at points. What I got is that it seems to soften inhibition and aversion to the odd, and that since Callum was away for a while, he's resistant to it. But he makes up for it with spirit.
Ah, so it's not actually a theory but rather stated as a fact in dialogue. I'm undecided on what to think about that... and they say that Callum is resistant?! Holy shit, it's a wonder everyone else in town even bothers to wear clothes! If they're affected more strongly than him, they must spend every free moment masturbating or having sex with each other!
EDIT: It's also a wonder that there's no pregnant women around if inhibitions are lowered that much.
 
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While I would be somewhat interested to hear how this theory is substantiated - that is, what evidence points to this being the case - it also sounds like a "no" to my question. Don't get me wrong, it would make him less of a scumbag if he really was being influenced by something outside of his control, but in the time I spent playing back then I don't recall seeing anything pointing to any other conclusion than Callum being influenced beyond him just seeming weirdly inconsistent.
Choose the fairy path and play it to the end, and you see how things change
 

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The countryside is cursed by a magic circle that makes the MC or people around the place to do perverted stuff, but they contain themselves to not do it, like a hidden switch, MC don't remember the stuff that happened in the past because the magic circle makes the people go numb, and so he forgets easily or simple doesn't know sometimes why is he doing stuff, but at the same time he just embrace it at this point, because at first he was scared and innocent, (you can tell if you start a new game) but the more time he spends in that place, the more perverted the things gets!

That's the theory
That's a cool theory and explains the witch and pixie stuff.

Man... cum for the gameplay, stay for the philosophical debates. This game and thread is a treat.

So... yeah... TL;DR: Is the PC of this game an abusive scumbag, or am I missing something?
Regarding if the MC/ PC/ Callum is good or evil... we definitely gotta factor in he's a child, right? If this was real life the police/ judge/ people would be looking at Daisy like, "You could've and should've just not f**ked the kid".
 
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Regarding if the MC/ PC/ Callum is good or evil... we definitely gotta factor in he's a child, right? If this was real life the police/ judge/ people would be looking at Daisy like, "You could've and should've just not f**ked the kid".
Remember that weird chapter of the "Odd Parents" when Timmy Turner reveals that he has 50 years old in reality, it's basically like that but more complex
 
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Regarding if the MC/ PC/ Callum is good or evil... we definitely gotta factor in he's a child, right? If this was real life the police/ judge/ people would be looking at Daisy like, "You could've and should've just not f**ked the kid".
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That was conveniently posted just last page.
 

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That was conveniently posted just last page.
Come on, of course he is a shota (a kid). We simply can't properly stablish that he's obviously a kid because of rule 7 here, but many characters are obviously NOT 18 :ROFLMAO:. There are several games that also act like the main character is 18 even though literally everything points to the opposite.
 
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I don't know what to say I'm new to this but it's my point of view I see that some see callum as an evil character or a character who takes advantage of girls without any feelings towards some of them but what would happen if instead of a simple or normal character Well, that's the way I see it, but what would happen if the character was NTR? I imagine that they would say that he is a kind and gentle person full of goodness and who cares about women without abusing them, but what can I say, maybe I'm wrong or not but as I say it is a point of view a simple opinion please do not hate me :WutFace:
 

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That was conveniently posted just last page.
You're right, you're right... hahahaha Callum /is/ "definitely" an adult.

Remember that weird chapter of the "Odd Parents" when Timmy Turner reveals that he has 50 years old in reality, it's basically like that but mire complex
Maybe he's got that Benjamin Button thing? hahaha Fairly Odd Parents was great!
 
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Ima be honest with yall, I love how the MC is. Reasons why? He aint a bitch. Straight to the shit, no games. None of that "O a womans body i cant look" shy bull shit. Dev if u are reading this make him the goat that he has the potential to be!
 

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and they say that Callum is resistant?!
He's not resistant, he just hasn't been soaking in it for years. The most its likely done is made everyone in the valley a little more calm towards things like Callum and his insane libido.

I'm coming at things from the position of 'it's a porn game', so I'm not expecting to see sterling examples of altruism or children's-cartoon levels of moral explanation. The MC is just looking to paint things white. Callum hasn't done anything truly reprehensible in that pursuit, so I'm still here.
All I can really say at this point is, however far you made it last time, give the game another shot and go a little farther. I'll be honest, it's mainly because I really don't feel like playing all those bits of the game again to see what was said. I already made it through the slog once, dammit!

Carter's infidelity is towards the front of Douie's path, the circle explanation is later on Pixie's, and you need to do both Elphaba and Pixie for their confrontation.
Give some of the other paths a shot in the meantime, while you grind out the relationships. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the 'blackmail' was really more of a 'mutually assured detention' sort of deal if you want to look at Mabel's route again.
 
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He's not resistant, he just hasn't been soaking in it for years. The most its likely done is made everyone in the valley a little more calm towards things like Callum and his insane libido.

All I can really say at this point is, however far you made it last time, give the game another shot and go a little farther. I'll be honest, it's mainly because I really don't feel like playing all those bits of the game again to see what was said. I already made it through the slog once, dammit!
Carter's infidelity is towards the front of Douie's path, the circle explanation is later on Pixie's, and you need to do both Elphaba and Pixie for their confrontation.
Give some of the other paths a shot in the meantime, while you grind out the relationships. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the 'blackmail' was really more of a 'mutually assured detention' sort of deal if you want to look at Mabel's route again.
In fact, it IS a mutually assured detention because they were both trying to steal the answer sheet for the exams. It's true that Callum decides to do as much as he can (sexually) tho, while she doesn't.
 

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I'm coming at things from the position of 'it's a porn game', so I'm not expecting to see sterling examples of altruism or children's-cartoon levels of moral explanation.
Nor am I. I'm not looking for signs of Callum secretly being a saint, nor do I want him to, as NekoPi put it, be a "bitch"; I'm just looking for baseline human decency. Hell, I'd be fine with him lusting after and seducing every female within a fifty mile radius if he showed at least a little fondness and respect for the women he had sex with. Just a kind word, a hug, a gift without an expectation of reciprocation; anything to suggest that he actually recognizes women as people.

Just "he doesn't straight-up rape anyone" or otherwise does anything cartoonishly villainous isn't enough for me. It is a way broader spectrum than "rapist/villain - normal - childrens' cartoon character/saint."

All I can really say at this point is, however far you made it last time, give the game another shot and go a little farther. I'll be honest, it's mainly because I really don't feel like playing all those bits of the game again to see what was said. I already made it through the slog once, dammit!
And that right there is exactly why I'm not jumping to follow your advice. Why would I, who have doubts regarding whether or not I am going to find the content deeper into the game disturbing on a personal level, go through a game that is apparently a "slog" just to know for certain if Callum really is a sociopath?
Eh, but at this point I feel like I've bothered people in here enough. No one else seem to have no problem with Callum's behavior, so it's probably just my delicate sensitivities getting in the way again. Thank you for humoring me.
 
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Nor am I. I'm not looking for signs of Callum secretly being a saint, nor do I want him to, as NekoPi put it, be a "bitch"; I'm just looking for baseline human decency. Hell, I'd be fine with him lusting after and seducing every female within a fifty mile radius if he showed at least a little fondness and respect for the women he had sex with. Just a kind word, a hug, a gift without an expectation of reciprocation; anything to suggest that he actually recognizes women as people.

Just "he doesn't straight-up rape anyone" or otherwise does anything cartoonishly villainous isn't enough for me. It is a way broader spectrum than "rapist/villain - normal - childrens' cartoon character/saint."


And that right there is exactly why I'm not jumping to follow your advice. Why would I, who have doubts regarding whether or not I am going to find the content deeper into the game disturbing on a personal level, go through a game that is apparently a "slog" just to know for certain if Callum really is a sociopath?
Eh, but at this point I feel like I've bothered people in here enough. No one else seem to have no problem with Callum's behavior, so it's probably just my delicate sensitivities getting in the way again. Thank you for humoring me.
Hey, no bothering happened here. This is a discussion thread and it's here precisely to discuss anything about the game, don't worry about it. I would like if he was a little more thoughtful with the girls as well, like the main characters of Town of Passion or Alvein, but I don't have a problem with how he is right now as long as he doesn't rape.
 

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Open phone. See schedules for each character. It will tell you exactly where X character will be and at what hour. Read.
For anyone confused on "river peeping" quest since this guy's a troll, the game doesn't inform you of Pixie's schedule when she's at the river at progress 6.

It's at 3PM, go to forest -> Up -> You'll see Pixie in the river in her huge form with a love icon on top.
 
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