RPGM Defenestration [v0.5g] [Fresh Mulan]

[Shadowndev99]

What?! Summertime saga 70$k? For what? Game looks like piece of . This is disappointed... Mulan create so great game with beautiful art, but only 2,3k$

summertime is good game but the devs takes super long to make a update they simple milking people and this games great as well the devs know what they doing everything beautiful except they they put aloooot of words to explain scenes but the problem if we get a update every six month thats alot of time which mean we will able to play it twice in year ... I hope they will make it 3 or 4 time a year like many devs because this game is gem

 

[AlisaB]

2,3k/month when theres an update twice a year means almost 14k$ for literally few, new h-scenes. Not bad for basically a hobby project that takes probably several hours/week of actual work.

 

[shadow415]

And you make it sound like Russinas should be paid less because they are Russians. You do not know where I live, you do not know my financial situation, so let me tell you - no, this amount is not enough for me and my partner in crime to support our basic human needs. Not to mention any “profit”.

Well If you delivered regular significant updates you probably would have been making more than most people on this site. There's a reason some people make significantly more from their Patrons and thats also not because which country they are from.

 

[Readerf2b]

In what way cookie milking his patreon make mulan better?
And having 2,2k$ income in Russia is very good, most people have third of that money for 5\8 job. And every scene is definitely not 170+ hours of work.

 

[Mr.Storm]

Hi , there are several stories are not completed such as ( ghost of communism , Enemy within , Shroediger's patient ) and can't progress more , is it solvable in the next update ??

 

[Shadowndev99]

In what way cookie milking his patreon make mulan better?
And having 2,2k$ income in Russia is very good, most people have third of that money for 5\8 job. And every scene is definitely not 170+ hours of work.

first I am not going to defend the devs of this game but I will speak as I see it so .... first 2K or 3k its not alot in every place place because if we count food and rent and health and tech and time and and and thats depend on the different every person and dont forget this game have two devs thats mean each one get 50 percent each one and having that not alot and any good person who create sweet game like this one to me deserver more but not alot now second this game if we going to have a update every six month thats bad thing and to me its milking every game should at least have 3,4 update a year with good enough content thats good thing to watch the devs doing the best for his fans and as I see it the support getting bigger by every update in any game and by the content that have been add it ...third summertime is good game but the devs are milking it so bad they getting 70k+ and they didnt finish the game or they releasing good updates and as you can see they take each time more time to release the next update ..... anyway I hope people will start thinking very well about supporting and start using they brains

 

[Dilya]

Most of dialogs are missing and blinking. Mostly NPC's.
Options and inventory consist of invisible lines that blinking sometimes.
What am I doing wrong?

 

[KonD:R]

first I am not going to defend the devs of this game but I will speak as I see it so .... first 2K or 3k its not alot in every place place because if we count food and rent and health and tech and time and and and thats depend on the different every person and dont forget this game have two devs thats mean each one get 50 percent each one and having that not alot and any good person who create sweet game like this one to me deserver more but not alot now second this game if we going to have a update every six month thats bad thing and to me its milking every game should at least have 3,4 update a year with good enough content thats good thing to watch the devs doing the best for his fans and as I see it the support getting bigger by every update in any game and by the content that have been add it ...third summertime is good game but the devs are milking it so bad they getting 70k+ and they didnt finish the game or they releasing good updates and as you can see they take each time more time to release the next update ..... anyway I hope people will start thinking very well about supporting and start using they brains

Actually 2-3k is a lot there in Russia (in most of the CIS and Asian countries fyi). Tech? Doubt that it require high technologies to make games in RPG maker (maybe only Moana needs some stuff to make classy pictures for us) Time? They (Mulan especially) works on this project for 1-2 hours per week at best. I am here from the very beginning dude and the amount of content added from the very first release is a maximum 1-2 hours of an actual gameplay, almost 4 years dude... I've been one of the 1st people supporting him on patreon and quit it 1.5 years ago. There are tons of great projects (NSFW/non NSFW) on crowdfunding platforms (Patreon, Kickstarter, etc.) and their devs can't even hit 2k in YEARS to bring their ideas to life. These people need your money for an actual product, whilst here you're being milked. Don't get me wrong, Mulan made an exceptional demo, but I don't think that he is really interested in finishing this game (easy 2k+ per month for decades to come). I do not urge you to cancel your subscriptions/pledges, just here to bring my "nobody asked for" opinion

 

[Kaustubh 03]

I have played this game and i really liked it. It is perfect just wanted to know when's the next update

 

[slavegal]

Just like you, I'd like to see updates more often. I believe you are just like me, we want more because we like this game, or we wouldn't care at all.

unfortunately, there are no formal agreements between devs and patrons. devs don't make any commitment to a "measurable" quantity of content.

The reality is: devs decide how much content they want to update, patrons decide how much money they want to pay. Patronization is not a purchase though, it is more like an appreciation to a talented artisan. it is not unusual for an artisan to procrastinate in history.

Anyway, when patrons "patronize" an artisan, they are literally giving their money away because they like the artisan or works of this artisan. It is not necessary for them to get something back.

So, am I a "gullible" altruist? No, I merely have realized it sadly: this is how devs develop those attractive games for us. Of course, I would love to go to Steam and buy completed adult games with my favorite fetishes. But it is not how it works. The gaming market has its rules, I don't like them, yet I can't change them either.

it is not pleasant for us, I believe it is not pleasant for devs either. Coding and painting might not be the only difficulties devs need to overcome. Patronization is not a stable income that could secure a stable future, nobody wants to bet everything on it. it is nice to have it, but you can't live on it.

 

[Shadowndev99]

Actually 2-3k is a lot there in Russia (in most of the CIS and Asian countries fyi). Tech? Doubt that it require high technologies to make games in RPG maker (maybe only Moana needs some stuff to make classy pictures for us) Time? They (Mulan especially) works on this project for 1-2 hours per week at best. I am here from the very beginning dude and the amount of content added from the very first release is a maximum 1-2 hours of an actual gameplay, almost 4 years dude... I've been one of the 1st people supporting him on patreon and quit it 1.5 years ago. There are tons of great projects (NSFW/non NSFW) on crowdfunding platforms (Patreon, Kickstarter, etc.) and their devs can't even hit 2k in YEARS to bring their ideas to life. These people need your money for an actual product, whilst here you're being milked. Don't get me wrong, Mulan made an exceptional demo, but I don't think that he is really interested in finishing this game (easy 2k+ per month for decades to come). I do not urge you to cancel your subscriptions/pledges, just here to bring my "nobody asked for" opinion

I am with you of what you saying but there some points first the money to me 2-3k its not enough its deserver little bit more because they are two people and we dont know about they life status maybe they truly need every penny of that money and second yes rpg maker is very easy tool I use it before and I talk about too but the art really need time I know the art of this game not great but its really good one and story and writing they need time about the idea and content of course and I wish they write less and make it more simple in the next updates three and if you saying the game its been about 4 years and didnt finish yet and update every six month well thats milking ... I wish one day we will have some law and rules in these stuff to make sure the devs do really and we get good content every update with big way to support the devs in work so no side take the advantage on the other side devs or fans and supportive and not in this game only on every game ....

 

[Hexydezimal]

I am with you of what you saying but there some points first the money to me 2-3k its not enough its deserver little bit more...

THEN DON'T PAY IT.

 

[meltyquestfan]

complex map. not going to learn a game just to play it max 10hrs. Keep up the good work I see potential

 

[Zetsuko]

I am with you of what you saying but there some points first the money to me 2-3k its not enough its deserver little bit more because they are two people and we dont know about they life status maybe they truly need every penny of that money and second yes rpg maker is very easy tool I use it before and I talk about too but the art really need time I know the art of this game not great but its really good one and story and writing they need time about the idea and content of course and I wish they write less and make it more simple in the next updates three and if you saying the game its been about 4 years and didnt finish yet and update every six month well thats milking ... I wish one day we will have some law and rules in these stuff to make sure the devs do really and we get good content every update with big way to support the devs in work so no side take the advantage on the other side devs or fans and supportive and not in this game only on every game ....

2-3K split between two people is a lot more than I make, and I live in Spain, in the Basque country. I can live here with 1300$ a month, and Russia is about 4 times less expensive than Spain. Now go figures.

 

[Readerf2b]

Russia is about 4 times less expensive than Spain.

Not Moscow. Actually just renting a flat within a couple of hours ride to center will be around 1k. Yeah, in other regions you can have it for 100-200.

 

[Zetsuko]

Not Moscow. Actually just renting a flat within a couple of hours ride to center will be around 1k. Yeah, in other regions you can have it for 100-200.

It is 1k where I live, and I can still live with 1300$
That is, also having to pay for public transport and all that.

Honestly tho: Your job is online, quite literally, nothing attaches you to your place other than having to move everything and maybe friends or wahtever, but if you live somewhere expensive go live somewhere less expensive. I can't cause I would have to take hours of public transports or more than an hour of car travel, but they can do it perfectly.

This ain't at all about "not being able to live with that money", it's about living comfortably with no changes or effort.

I like the game and all, and I support creators here and there, whenever I can. Maybe I pledge for a month, then take it back when I need it for my life stuff...This doesn't mean I don't think 90% of patreon creators are quite lazy and milking people for their money. I work 40 hours a week to pull minimum wage. They probably work 10-20 hours a week to pull, in this case, 1.3k each, but some creators pull about 10k each and deliver literally no content. Wanna tell me art takes time? Programming takes time? Doe, I have both programmer and artist friends. That's bullshit, sometimes you can get stuck in programming, yeah, but you can fix it in a few hours. If all creators were to spend certain amount of time(Not even a full shift, just a half shift) of about 6 hours daily 5 days a week, they would be pulling games faster than you could play them. The art, though, does take some basic time. BUT, it doesn't take nowhere as much as they make people believe it does. If you guys get any artist friends you'll know this; Not even "good good good" art takes more than a week for each doodle if you dedicate time to it, and this ain't even full art, it's Renders most of the time. If you look at the files, the body is in pieces so it can be put in the game without redrawing the character everytime. (Some art is a full pic, tho, but that's because it has no variations.)

They are not interested in developing that fast, because they can just keep going with a slow as fuck updated game and people will keep paying.

 

[slavegal]

It is 1k where I live, and I can still live with 1300$
That is, also having to pay for public transport and all that.

Honestly tho: Your job is online, quite literally, nothing attaches you to your place other than having to move everything and maybe friends or wahtever, but if you live somewhere expensive go live somewhere less expensive. I can't cause I would have to take hours of public transports or more than an hour of car travel, but they can do it perfectly.

This ain't at all about "not being able to live with that money", it's about living comfortably with no changes or effort.

I like the game and all, and I support creators here and there, whenever I can. Maybe I pledge for a month, then take it back when I need it for my life stuff...This doesn't mean I don't think 90% of patreon creators are quite lazy and milking people for their money. I work 40 hours a week to pull minimum wage. They probably work 10-20 hours a week to pull, in this case, 1.3k each, but some creators pull about 10k each and deliver literally no content. Wanna tell me art takes time? Programming takes time? Doe, I have both programmer and artist friends. That's bullshit, sometimes you can get stuck in programming, yeah, but you can fix it in a few hours. If all creators were to spend certain amount of time(Not even a full shift, just a half shift) of about 6 hours daily 5 days a week, they would be pulling games faster than you could play them. The art, though, does take some basic time. BUT, it doesn't take nowhere as much as they make people believe it does. If you guys get any artist friends you'll know this; Not even "good good good" art takes more than a week for each doodle if you dedicate time to it, and this ain't even full art, it's Renders most of the time. If you look at the files, the body is in pieces so it can be put in the game without redrawing the character everytime. (Some art is a full pic, tho, but that's because it has no variations.)

They are not interested in developing that fast, because they can just keep going with a slow as fuck updated game and people will keep paying.

we are keeping talking about Russian living conditions here, But I really think it is irrelevant.

Actually, what you said exactly explains why devs milk around. In the conventional industry, where you and I are working, time is money, efficiency is everything. A company could move to the next project earlier if it finishes one more quickly, it makes more profit in this way. you and I could get a bonus or a commission by "hard-working". So we have a strong motivation to speed up.

But with patronization, devs literally get less by "hard-working". The better quality arts need more time to accomplish, by "hard-working", devs are devaluating their works, the more diligent they are, the earlier they lose their patronization. Why would anyone want to terminate their prize earlier by "hard-working"? Especially those who are trying to give good quality arts --- the quicker, the better ---the more they lose. People always argue: don't go against human nature, this is it.

Patronization is not a market behavior, many are judging a non-market action with the market principles here.

Many programmers work at a fast pace because their prize is not "patronization", their payments are from the Apple store, Steam, etc. The earlier they finish their job, the earlier and more they can make from millions on the Apple store or Steam. I talked with a friend about the idea of making a game on Patreon. he almost choked himself by laughing at me, to him, patronization is not even an "income" at all.

Many devs who developed those deviant games love games and fetishes, this is their motivation. They are actually doing this in their spare time.

If we judge devs with the traditional market rules, none of them would satisfy the market standard. Don't take me wrong though, I also want to see more content. But it is not the devs fault, nor our fault, if that is not happening.

 

[Zetsuko]

we are keeping talking about Russian living conditions here, But I really think it is irrelevant.

Actually, what you said exactly explains why devs milk around. In the conventional industry, where you and I are working, time is money, efficiency is everything. A company could move to the next project earlier if it finishes one more quickly, it makes more profit in this way. you and I could get a bonus or a commission by "hard-working". So we have a strong motivation to speed up.

But with patronization, devs literally get less by "hard-working". The better quality arts need more time to accomplish, by "hard-working", devs are devaluating their works, the more diligent they are, the earlier they lose their patronization. Why would anyone want to terminate their prize earlier by "hard-working"? Especially those who are trying to give good quality arts --- the quicker, the better ---the more they lose. People always argue: don't go against human nature, this is it.

Patronization is not a market behavior, many are judging a non-market action with the market principles here.

Many programmers work at a fast pace because their prize is not "patronization", their payments are from the Apple store, Steam, etc. The earlier they finish their job, the earlier and more they can make from millions on the Apple store or Steam. I talked with a friend about the idea of making a game on Patreon. he almost choked himself by laughing at me, to him, patronization is not even an "income" at all.

Many devs who developed those deviant games love games and fetishes, this is their motivation. They are actually doing this in their spare time.

If we judge devs with the traditional market rules, none of them would satisfy the market standard. Don't take me wrong though, I also want to see more content. But it is not the devs fault, nor our fault, if that is not happening.

They are earning much more than most people with a "normal job" in their "spare time" and still cry about money. That's the critizism.

This is like a Streamer doing 3 hours a day and crying about not getting enough money. Work a half shift, or a full shift, instead of 3 hours, then.

 

[Mr.Storm]

I have 2 questions
1- Every time I go to the imperator , the guards told me ( you are not allowed to pass ) , what should I do ?
2- on mission ( get inside energy factory city gate area ) , I already entered and put the Jammer then then gate did not open , what should i do ?

 

[shadow415]

Why would anyone want to terminate their prize earlier by "hard-working"? Especially those who are trying to give good quality arts --- the quicker, the better ---the more they lose

That's somewhat true. It is the easy and lazy way to make money of patrons but there are cases where people that have actually work hard and delivered constant good quality content kept getting more and more money. Some have grown to the point to be able to hire enough staff to be considered a small indie studio and all of it being supported by patrons. So it shows that hard work is also rewarded by patron.