RPGM Defenestration [v0.5e fixed] [Fresh Mulan]

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ray3dave

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I'll throw in a few words as well. I liked the game a lot in its most advanced version. Same as everybody here I was waiting impatiently how the story would go on. And of course it was a big disappointment what happened after that. I think everybody around here wants to see the very game we got to know to be done. There are two ways to get ot done, rework the existing content, what is happening with Defenestration since some months if not a year (sadly, that's were all the frustration and anger come in). Or they could have started a remake. I am pretty sure "fresh mulan" have discussed their options and maybe understimated the effort it would take. Whatever. Being annoyed does not change a thing.

My suggestion to everybody who loved the first draft (like I did) is to try to stay positive on that project and supportive on the dev. I follow this site for quite some time and many promising games got abandoned (the most bitter loss for me was "Valiant Warrior Astrid"),others seem to get overly complicated in development ("Female Agent" - it's hard to believe that they will deliver something someday, still I keep hoping).

What I am trying to say is, that I am glad that they keep working on "Defenestration", and as much as I am tired of waiting I am positive that after all this time they will come out with something great. The last two releases were a total fiasko. But they did not give up. I would not want to be in their position after that. If we want to see the game come to live we should try to find patience. I am pretty sure "Fresh Mulan" does not intent to annoy us.
 
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ray3dave said:
I'll throw in a few words as well. I liked the game a lot in its most advanced version. Same as everybody here I was waiting impatiently how the story would go on. And of course it was a big disappointment what happened after that. I think everybody around here wants to see the very game we got to know to be done. There are two ways to get ot done, rework the existing content, what is happening with Defenestration since some months if not a year (sadly, that's were all the frustration and anger come in). Or they could have started a remake. I am pretty sure "fresh mulan" have discussed their options and maybe understimated the effort it would take. Whatever. Being annoyed does not change a thing.

My suggestion to everybody who loved the first draft (like I did) is to try to stay positive on that project and supportive on the dev. I follow this site for quite some time and many promising games got abandoned (the most bitter loss for me was "Valiant Warrior Astrid"),others seem to get overly complicated in development ("Female Agent" - it's hard to believe that they will deliver something someday, still I keep hoping).

What I am trying to say is, that I am glad that they keep working on "Defenestration", and as much as I am tired of waiting I am positive that after all this time they will come out with something great. The last two releases were a total fiasko. But they did not give up. I would not want to be in their position after that. If we want to see the game come to live we should try to find patience. I am pretty sure "Fresh Mulan" does not intent to annoy us.
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just can agree with you, valiant warrior Astrid hit me the same way D:
 
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Seipherwood

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I think the major problem is they decided to redo 2 entire parts of the game at the same time. They chose to redraw all the scenes and change how the MC looks (for the worse imo but whatever) and then they also chose to redo a ton of the background mechanics.

At that point, the only thing that hasnt changed was the story, so they kinda had to re-build the entire game.

Makes me wonder if they are still milking their Patreons.
 
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ray3dave

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It is not possible to milk patreons because nobody gets forced to become or stay one.
 
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ray3dave said:
It is not possible to milk patreons because nobody gets forced to become or stay one.
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You forget, this is F95zone. People love to accuse game designers of being scam artists taking it easy off the cash of others. Building a game is easy peasy in the eyes of many people posting here, if you're not pumping out updates every other week, then clearly you are taking advantage of others. Surely writing a story, drawing all the art, coding, and testing a game should only take you a few days- and if you run into unforseen problems or have any difficulty delivering, you're just making excuses.
 
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Aaron A. Aaronsen

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ray3dave said:
It is not possible to milk patreons because nobody gets forced to become or stay one.
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That is assuming that there are no idiots. Some people are naive, others have low self-control and willpower. Add to that psychological effects like sunk cost, delayed gratification or impaired decision making while horny. Let's face it, we all have this friend with shitty self-control who has never saved a cent in his life ("I HAVE to buy those games but I have money again next month").

The truth is there are developers who do the least amount of work for the maximum amount of money and abuse stupid/addicted people. You can call that efficient. You can say that the people are adults with free will. I think it is still unethical.

However I don't think that the defenestration guys fall into that category. I think they are doing a great job, they just underestimated the amount of work doing a rework. They were backed by the patrons however, so everything is fine. I don't have any insight into the code, but from my experience doing something from scratch with new experience is often not much more time consuming than fixing old mistakes.
 
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frrrr

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Did they postpone it again?
New Progress Report is posted on Patreon, can somebody tell me what is it about?
 
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noctred

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They really just need to stop giving release dates.

Every time they fail a deadline they come back with "we are so sorry, we hate that this keeps happening" or whatever. The simple truth is that apologies lose value and meaning when you continue to do the same thing again, and again, and again, and again. At some point it just turns into a sad joke.

If you can't keep to your release dates on a more or less consistent basis, just stop giving release dates.
 
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