RPGM Demon Deals [v0.06.5a] [Breadman Games]

[vankaajsar]

I actually loved the game , i started yesterday and i am only reached till first Boob-job and 1st day of school with dolly route
i am actually playing slow and taking time to read the story even read the class intro
and i loved the story and character development , every action has meaning behind it.

And you are right I shouldn't had just slammed the milker tag when i didn't know the dev, it's just the way it is on these type of games and when update cycle get's as long as 6-9 months.


So far Loved the Passion behind the game and I agree it takes time to hand draw stuff specifically animations...
might sub to him if the content of rest of the game stay this great.

There are many creators fitting your first description, BreadMan sure is not among them. Since it is your first experience with the game, you will see this product is different, both in quality and development. The team is very responsive to questions ( "When is the next Leslie update ?"being the TOP 1, every update, ) and everything around Demon Deals is truly special. If you're not on Discord yet, I would suggest you follow the community there. You will have insights on every step in the game.

 

[Stanky]

My bet is Ashley will have her scene first. She is the closest person to MC who knows about what he is going through. It wouldn't surprise me if we already got a scene with her by v.08.

But I do wonder about Leslie, she is already doing everything with the MC but penetration and is madly horny for him too (with a pinch of denial). I have no idea what the devs will do in between v.06.5 til v.10 to keep the momentum going, especially considering Leslie is the only girl guaranteed to have new content every update.

My prediction: Since Ashley will have her scene first, and the seed of full-on incest including her daughter has been planted on Leslie's head. We will get a lot of development between Leslie, Ashley, and MC throuple relations (maybe even the aunt and cousin) before we finally get to v.10.

I totally agree with you. I mean the dev is just going to release the same Leslie scenes (titjob, blowjob) with different angle until 10-ish ? Also in my opinion, she is already depraved and has no resistance

 

[Count Morado]

I have no idea what the devs will do in between v.06.5 til v.10 to keep the momentum going, especially considering Leslie is the only girl guaranteed to have new content every update.

I totally agree with you. I mean the dev is just going to release the same Leslie scenes (titjob, blowjob) with different angle until 10-ish ? Also in my opinion, she is already depraved and has no resistance

Well, perhaps the developer has more imagination than the two of you give them credit for. Guess we'll all wait and see. And be happy with all the new lovely Leslie content that is offered over the next 6-ish updates before the consummation.

 

[BreadManGames]

BreadManGames
Really enjoyed the game so far. The artstyle is not my favorite, and more critically I think that there's some pretty bad "same-face syndrome" with the older women specifically. However, the characters are surprisingly cute beneath the mountains of boobs. Leslie and Ashley are particularly charming.

I was very surprised by the generally well written slow-burn between the MC and Leslie. They feel rational, their emotions are communicated well, and it makes for a much more engaging and sexy story. Not every character gets as much of a proper personality and story arc (Candice is probably the most dissapointing so far) but Ashley, Cassie, and Sabrina feel real enough to care about.

On Sabrina - there were two important things missing from the conflict in the library after Sabrina's failed summoning. The first is that Sabrina is aware that John just attempted to mind-whammy her, and the second is that Sabrina is refusing to work with John after she endangered his life and his mother's. Sabrina's defensive personality is fine - nothing to touch there, but the story needs a way for John to breach her walls and right now she basically does a complete 180 after he... rescues her stuffed animal. Even worse, Lilith basically gives it to him, so we're doubling down on him cheating through this situation. The development between the two characters doesn't feel earned. It's humorous and that fits in the tone of the game, but considering how abrasive she was up until this point, and the points I mentioned, I don't believe they should be buddy-buddy over a doll.
Sabrina yells at him as she runs out of the library that she doesn't need his or anybody else's help. I latched onto that when I read it; she just botched a summoning, almost got raped and killed, and loosed a group of demons onto the public. She should be confronted with this; John has a very good reason to want to know what she's doing, why she's doing it, and what she knows. He has no guarantee that she isn't going to go and summon an even bigger demon and unleash a bigger mess (and that is in fact exactly what she's planning to do.) I wanted to see John force Sabrina to realize how badly she screwed up, because that very naturally leads her into having a reason to cooperate with John, who has already made a deal with a demon and can provide insight and muscle into what she's doing.
The mind-whammy works in two directions here. For one, it does indicate that John is "legit" and might actually bring something to a partnership. On the flip side, he used it on Sabrina, or at least attempted to. This should be a bigger deal; I don't think it was really commented on after she flipped out on him at first. I don't remember exactly what he was trying to do with it, but if my memory is correct and he was trying to figure out what she was doing, then he can make the argument that he was trying to protect himself/his mother, or even that he's trying to help her so that she doesn't go botch another summoning. He could say that it's involuntary and manifests when his emotions are running high. All of these at least have some element of the truth to them, if the goal is to protray John as at least somewhat heroic.
All in all, I think some minor dialogue edits and inserts into that scene would go a long way to make their partnership feel genuine and earned.

There is another scene that I feel more mixed about: John asks Leslie to give him a BJ/swallow after she wakes him up, and she comes to her senses and gets angry with John and with herself. She is still angry when they meet again in the evening (or the following day?) and she chastises John for wanting her to do "disgusting things" and asking why he wants to "degrade" his mother. John's response (possibly in a later conversation?) is that he's sorry, that he understands that she has boundaries and that he respects those, that he doesn't want her to do anything she doesn't want to herself, and that he understands that there are lines that they cannot cross. Leslie angrily asks if that means that he wanted her to want to do those things, to which, IIRC, he apologizes again.
I don't really like this. I have mixed feelings about John cursing himself for saying something so stupid; it fits for an extremely horny young guy to feel like the mistake was simply putting his foot in his mouth, but it still falls short of the mark for me. I definitely do not like the fact that John is basically lying in his apology to Leslie. It's true that he doesn't want to force his mother into any of this, that much is fine. But there is nothing in this story that has led me to believe that he doesn't desire and intend to go all the way with his mother. There are no lines he does not intend to cross; he has pushed and pushed with all the other women. Aunt Cassie is a perfect example; he lies at first saying that he has no sexual intentions, exploits his "illness" (curse) and powers of suggestion, and by the end of the current update, is smirking down at her while she sucks his dick. Furthermore, John knows that even if he doesn't want to cross those lines, his situation with Lilith means that his power to prevent that from happening is limited. He knows that Leslie's own boundaries are liable to corruption. One way or another, it is an empty promise.
My issue with the empty promise isn't really a moral one - this is a porn story about a guy who made a pact with a demon - but that of characterization and storty-telling. This lie isn't out of character for John persay, but there are plenty of other things he has said and done that made me feel like this course is at least not the only possible one he could have taken. I also think that it is the least interesting; is this just a pause on the current course? Is this a crude way to stretch out the will-they-won't-they phase?
John loves Leslie. He does not like his father. He does not appreciate the way his father treats Leslie or Ashley, and he has already made a point of telling Leslie that he is frustrated that she's taken his father's criticism of her body to heart (referencing her considering getting a breast reduction.) Time and time again, John has praised Leslie's beauty and shown his desire for her sexuality. That scene with "Dr. Faust" comes to mind; John hyper-focuses on Leslie and very obviously lusts after her. So when Leslie says that she is upset that he wants her to degrade herself by doing disgusting, sexual things with him, he should absolutely be protesting. Everything she's done for him has made him happy, their intimacy has made him love her even more and John wants her to feel the same way. Nothing about their "situation" has been degrading and disgusting to him; he doesn't see her as a terrible mother or disgusting woman for trying to help him with what she believes is a serious medical condition, nor for pleasuring him in privacy. While it would probably be stupid to say this, I think John should at least think to himself that her calling herself a disgusting slut for being intimate is his father speaking through her.
I think the scene can basically end the same way as it does in the game. There doesn't need to be some long monologue for this to work, just some protest from John that he doesn't think that she's awful for doing this for him, that he loves her even more after this intimacy, that he's sad that she has felt so guilty about doing something he was enjoying, and that regrets saying something that made her feel that way. No longer than what is currently in the game, and effectively ends the same way: with Leslie relaxing, feeling like she blew up at im, and remembering that John really has tried to be good to her.

Finally, something that isn't really critique and more just venting. Demon Deals is not an adventure story where we get to chose what John is like and where the outcomes of the story are at least implied to be the player's choice. As such, I can't really criticize it as a piece of media for this... trope... the same way I would for a VN or whatever. But I absolutely hate when games suddenly take control away from me, hand the MC the idiot ball, and make me watch the train wreck that unfolds. John's interactions with Brenda are kind of irritating in general; there's no real reason or strategy behind his needling, she just pisses him off and he does something childish to get back at her. It is a little ridiculous to see this kind of behavior from an 18-19 year old, but I've seen people much older than that do worse than John when someone pushed their buttons. It's frustrating to me, but I wouldn't criticize it as bad writing by any means.
But holy fuck is it frustrating! He wants to - he needs to fuck these women. John's explicit goal, as stated by the man himself, is to eventually break Brenda in and fuck her. So it's not just empty antagonism here; John does want something out of her, but after blackmailing her, he continues to mouth off and antagonize her? I don't even think it's cheap to criticize his behavior after being shown that she's recording him. Why are you blabbing about robbing and blackmailing your professor in public? Why are you talking about it at all??
Well, because he's stupid and enjoys the power over her. He has her by the (proverbial) balls and gets a kick out of making her squirm.
I just don't want to play as a stupid MC. I don't need him to be a gigachad Sherlock that does everything right and isn't afraid of anything, but ffs take the educated woman with a massive ego and temper seriously - especially if you're trying to get her on her knees at some point.

I can't respond to every point here but wanna say I really appreciate the time it took to write an insightful, helpful critique like this. I agree with most of it, especially MC saying or at least thinking to himself about Leslie's attitude toward using her mouth at first being Paul speaking through her, I like that and it totally makes sense. I'll take what I can into account and see if there's things to tweak in those scenes.
As far as the back end of the response, I agree that MC can be a little dense at times, and I understand that it can be frustrating to not have as much control over the MC as players might in other games haha but I'm a first-time dev and my background is in story moreso than game and this was the approach I took to telling this story, maybe the next game in the far future will have more freedom of character choice

 

[pisstaker]

Well, perhaps the developer has more imagination than the two of you give them credit for. Guess we'll all wait and see. And be happy with all the new lovely Leslie content that is offered over the next 6-ish updates before the consummation.

It's not a matter of imagination, it's a matter of contrivance. Leslie is too far gone. If she starts giving BJs under the table next to her husband with the help of her daughter for example, It wouldn't be in character if she was still drawing the line at sex.

In my opinion, new elements and roadblocks need to be introduced to explain why she doesn't take the next step because her lust is very much at its limit. The problem here isn't "muh, why no sex yet", but how a character this horny can keep her cherry in check for so long without crawling up the walls.

 

[manul527]

It's not a matter of imagination, it's a matter of contrivance. Leslie is too far gone. If she starts giving BJs under the table next to her husband with the help of her daughter for example, It wouldn't be in character if she was still drawing the line at sex.

In my opinion, new elements and roadblocks need to be introduced to explain why she doesn't take the next step because her lust is very much at its limit. The problem here isn't "muh, why no sex yet", but how a character this horny can keep her cherry in check for so long without crawling up the walls.

I agree but again as some developer said, you are not counting on Breadman´s imagination, he came up with the Leslie´s super powers, why he can´t come up with another fictional thing, like now sleeping together sometimes, buttjobs, footjob, and other fictional abilities, threesome with her sister (w leslie unable to fuck him in front of her sister but enjoying seeing fucking cassie) or other stuff, idk, if I can think on something I bet Breadman does x100. relax bro, 4 real.

 

[Sukme]

I agree but again as some developer said, you are not counting on Breadman´s imagination, he came up with the Leslie´s super powers, why he can´t come up with another fictional thing, like now sleeping together sometimes, buttjobs, footjob, and other fictional abilities, threesome with her sister (w leslie unable to fuck him in front of her sister but enjoying seeing fucking cassie) or other stuff, idk, if I can think on something I bet Breadman does x100. relax bro, 4 real.

"he came up with the Leslie´s super powers"

Leslie has superpowers?!?
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Aaaahh!...Huge Bewbies...right...sorry...
Carry on.

 

[vankaajsar]

I totally agree with you. I mean the dev is just going to release the same Leslie scenes (titjob, blowjob) with different angle until 10-ish ? Also in my opinion, she is already depraved and has no resistance

I believe this new stage it is just as exciting. Leslie has accepted being the Secret Girlfriend and has given herself to the lust and that's why it will be even more hot: she has proved and enjoyed and now there's the final line and remember that's not only Leslie fighting, it is Jon as well. He didn't even want to touch Ashley. As for the handjob, titjob, blowjob and — let's not forget — thighjob, I am a fan of them all way more than the actual sex. I'm all for it. There are some many opportunities where they can foreplay now: Car, theater, beach, school, book store, shopping, hospital, the park.. and we must remember that the drunk head of Paul will certainly mess everything. Some pearl of Leslie's necklace is still left below Jon's bed in his parents house and that cockblock will most likely find it (if some Russian or Irish mafia guy doesn't find him first). No need for fillers once so much has been happening .

 

[pisstaker]

I agree but again as some developer said, you are not counting on Breadman´s imagination, he came up with the Leslie´s super powers, why he can´t come up with another fictional thing, like now sleeping together sometimes, buttjobs, footjob, and other fictional abilities, threesome with her sister (w leslie unable to fuck him in front of her sister but enjoying seeing fucking cassie) or other stuff, idk, if I can think on something I bet Breadman does x100. relax bro, 4 real.

The possibilities are limitless and I do have faith that the devs will be able to keep the momentum going. (hell, for a brief time it was all about jacking in front of her during movie nights and the sexual tension was great).

We (or at least me) are pretty much just conjecturing because we don't know what is to come (I'm 100% sure they have a bucket list of ideas and realistically won't use half of it). It's just my writer's fear of seeing the devs ending up writing themselves in a corner. Good thing they are already setting up the arcs for Leslie, so we will get progress on other fronts than just "How far is she willing to go".

 

[wetjuicywetjuicywetjuicy]

I can't respond to every point here but wanna say I really appreciate the time it took to write an insightful, helpful critique like this. I agree with most of it, especially MC saying or at least thinking to himself about Leslie's attitude toward using her mouth at first being Paul speaking through her, I like that and it totally makes sense. I'll take what I can into account and see if there's things to tweak in those scenes.
As far as the back end of the response, I agree that MC can be a little dense at times, and I understand that it can be frustrating to not have as much control over the MC as players might in other games haha but I'm a first-time dev and my background is in story moreso than game and this was the approach I took to telling this story, maybe the next game in the far future will have more freedom of character choice

I'm gonna offer a counter perspective.

I actually appreciate the "frustrating" aspects of John's personality. I think John being too overtly proud of what he's doing would be weirder than not. I think the fact that you acknowledge that this John is not a very ethical nor moral person in a lot of ways is fine, actually! I prefer it immensely! It grounds the entire thing in ways this sub genre of stories rarely do.

The corruption angle is actually key, and it's important to remember what that means, imo. John does care and love the women around him, but him being morally and ethically compromised but also feeling guilty about it is good character writing. The fact it's not only a matter of life and death, but also of him being dragged to hell, raises the stakes to motivate him to cross lines he knows is wrong. I think he both lies in his apologies while being paradoxically honest. A big part of this is he has to. He impulsively touched a random DEMONIC SIGIL, it got him into this mess, and he might as well enjoy the powers while trying to win. We root for him, maybe he'll get the best of Lillith, wouldn't that be fun? I'd like to see him have a happy ending, which would subvert the normal way faustian bargain stories go.

It's because from what I get, John was forced into this situation by Lillith, and the conflict comes from him trying to figure out a way to navigate his scenario. He both wants to and has to corrupt the women around him, cross fundamental taboos and lines, but doesn't want to totally surrender into being the worst version of himself possible. In other demonic pact type games, you just have a protagonist basically becoming a rapist/slave master and the narrative going "yes, good".

As for John acting stupid, well, he's still a teen guy, and they can act like children. They can self-sabotage and act contrary to their own interests, even when the stakes are high. A 17-19 year old guy will do the stupidest shit you ever heard of. Like, in this case, see a glowing Pentagram Sigil on his wall and just touch it. So don't sweat that, it makes sense that he acts on his impulses first. I don't want to play a machievellian mastermind teenage boy. If he was that smart it'd be less believable than him acting like a moron sometimes. What keeps John interesting is it's a kernel of goodness that course corrects his actions,and lets him find alternative solutions to problems while expanding his harem. I've played a couple demonic pact smut games and sometimes the writers are too scared to make the most obvious source of conflict- between the protagonist and their demonic patron- the driving narrative thru-line. John having a little bit of goodness in him, trying to avert the most cruel and malicious side of his situation, provides a nice push and pull between him and Lillith.

So yeah, I can see their point, but I honestly show up to this game because of all this stuff, not in spite of it.

 

[manul527]

"he came up with the Leslie´s super powers"

Leslie has superpowers?!?
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Aaaahh!...Huge Bewbies...right...sorry...
Carry on.

Did you play the game? Did you see her deepthroat the hole mc cock without problem? thats a super power.

 

[HabibiX]

View attachment 4491341 sunny positions. (This update will be good)

Oh lord number 8

 

[HabibiX]

It would be nice to have some scene where leslie comes to see her friend, hears her moaning loudly, quietly peeks and sees MC just fucking her silly, then starts imagining getting fucked like that wondering how it feels. Maybe even fingering herself.

This.

 

[HabibiX]

BreadManGames
Really enjoyed the game so far. The artstyle is not my favorite, and more critically I think that there's some pretty bad "same-face syndrome" with the older women specifically. However, the characters are surprisingly cute beneath the mountains of boobs. Leslie and Ashley are particularly charming.

I was very surprised by the generally well written slow-burn between the MC and Leslie. They feel rational, their emotions are communicated well, and it makes for a much more engaging and sexy story. Not every character gets as much of a proper personality and story arc (Candice is probably the most dissapointing so far) but Ashley, Cassie, and Sabrina feel real enough to care about.

On Sabrina - there were two important things missing from the conflict in the library after Sabrina's failed summoning. The first is that Sabrina is aware that John just attempted to mind-whammy her, and the second is that Sabrina is refusing to work with John after she endangered his life and his mother's. Sabrina's defensive personality is fine - nothing to touch there, but the story needs a way for John to breach her walls and right now she basically does a complete 180 after he... rescues her stuffed animal. Even worse, Lilith basically gives it to him, so we're doubling down on him cheating through this situation. The development between the two characters doesn't feel earned. It's humorous and that fits in the tone of the game, but considering how abrasive she was up until this point, and the points I mentioned, I don't believe they should be buddy-buddy over a doll.
Sabrina yells at him as she runs out of the library that she doesn't need his or anybody else's help. I latched onto that when I read it; she just botched a summoning, almost got raped and killed, and loosed a group of demons onto the public. She should be confronted with this; John has a very good reason to want to know what she's doing, why she's doing it, and what she knows. He has no guarantee that she isn't going to go and summon an even bigger demon and unleash a bigger mess (and that is in fact exactly what she's planning to do.) I wanted to see John force Sabrina to realize how badly she screwed up, because that very naturally leads her into having a reason to cooperate with John, who has already made a deal with a demon and can provide insight and muscle into what she's doing.
The mind-whammy works in two directions here. For one, it does indicate that John is "legit" and might actually bring something to a partnership. On the flip side, he used it on Sabrina, or at least attempted to. This should be a bigger deal; I don't think it was really commented on after she flipped out on him at first. I don't remember exactly what he was trying to do with it, but if my memory is correct and he was trying to figure out what she was doing, then he can make the argument that he was trying to protect himself/his mother, or even that he's trying to help her so that she doesn't go botch another summoning. He could say that it's involuntary and manifests when his emotions are running high. All of these at least have some element of the truth to them, if the goal is to protray John as at least somewhat heroic.
All in all, I think some minor dialogue edits and inserts into that scene would go a long way to make their partnership feel genuine and earned.

There is another scene that I wanted to point out: John asks Leslie to give him a BJ/swallow after she wakes him up, and she comes to her senses and gets angry with John and with herself. She is still angry when they meet again in the evening (or the following day?) and she chastises John for wanting her to do "disgusting things" and asks why he wants to "degrade" his mother. John's response (possibly in a later conversation?) is that he's sorry, that he understands that she has boundaries and that he respects those, that he doesn't want her to do anything she doesn't want to herself, and that he understands that there are lines that they cannot cross. Leslie angrily asks if that means that he wanted her to want to do those things, to which, IIRC, he apologizes again.
I don't like this. John's reaction to this argument is cursing himself for saying something so stupid; it fits for an extremely horny young guy to feel like the mistake was simply putting his foot in his mouth, but it still falls short of the standard for his characterization IMO. I definitely do not like the fact that John is basically lying in his apology to Leslie. It's true that he doesn't want to force his mother into any of this, that much is fine, but there is nothing in this story that has led me to believe that he doesn't desire and intend to go all the way with his mother. There are no lines he does not intend to cross; he has pushed and pushed with all the other women. Aunt Cassie is a perfect example; he lies at first saying that he has no sexual intentions, exploits his "illness" (curse) and powers of suggestion, and by the end of the current update, is smirking down at her while she sucks his dick. Furthermore, John knows that even if he doesn't want to cross those lines, his situation with Lilith means that his power to prevent that from happening is limited. He knows that Leslie's own boundaries are liable to corruption. One way or another, it is an empty promise.
My issue with the empty promise isn't really a moral one - this is a porn story about a guy who made a pact with a demon - but that of characterization and storty-telling. This lie isn't out of character for John persay, but there are plenty of other things he has said and done that made me feel like this course is at least not the only possible one he could have taken. I also think that it is the least interesting; is this just a pause on the current course? Is this a crude way to stretch out the will-they-won't-they phase?
John loves Leslie. He does not like his father. He does not appreciate the way his father treats Leslie or Ashley, and he has already made a point of telling Leslie that he is frustrated that she's taken his father's criticism of her body to heart (referencing her considering getting a breast reduction.) Time and time again, John has praised Leslie's beauty and displayed his desire for her sexuality. That scene with "Dr. Faust" comes to mind; John hyper-focuses on Leslie and very obviously lusts after her. So when Leslie says that she is upset that he wants her to degrade herself by doing disgusting, sexual things with him, he should absolutely be protesting. Everything she's done for him has made him happy, their intimacy has made him love her even more and John wants her to feel the same way. Nothing about their "situation" has been degrading and disgusting to him; he doesn't see her as a terrible mother or disgusting woman for trying to help him with what she believes is a serious medical condition, nor for pleasuring him in privacy. While it would probably be stupid to say this, I think John should at least think to himself that her calling herself a disgusting slut for being intimate is his father speaking through her.
I think the scene can basically end the same way as it does in the game. There doesn't need to be some long monologue for this to work, just some protest from John that he doesn't think that she's awful for doing this for him, that he loves her even more after this intimacy, that he's sad that she has felt so guilty about doing something he was enjoying, and that regrets saying something that made her feel that way. No longer than what is currently in the game, and effectively ends the same way: with Leslie relaxing, feeling like she blew up at im, and remembering that John really has tried to be good to her.

Finally, something that isn't really critique and more just venting. Demon Deals is not an adventure story where we get to chose what John is like and where the outcomes of the story are at least implied to be the player's choice. As such, I can't really criticize it as a piece of media for this... trope... the same way I would for a VN or whatever. But I absolutely hate when games suddenly take control away from me, hand the MC the idiot ball, and make me watch the train wreck that unfolds. John's interactions with Brenda are kind of irritating in general; there's no real reason or strategy behind his needling, she just pisses him off and he does something childish to get back at her. It is a little ridiculous to see this kind of behavior from an 18-19 year old, but I've seen people much older than that do worse than John when someone pushed their buttons. It's frustrating to me, but I wouldn't criticize it as bad writing by any means.
But holy fuck is it frustrating! He wants to - he needs to fuck these women. John's explicit goal, as stated by the man himself, is to eventually break Brenda in and fuck her. So it's not just empty antagonism here; John does want something out of her, but after blackmailing her, he continues to mouth off and antagonize her? I don't even think it's cheap to criticize his behavior after being shown that she's recording him. Why are you blabbing about robbing and blackmailing your professor in public? Why are you talking about it at all??
Well, because he's stupid and enjoys the power over her. He has her by the (proverbial) balls and gets a kick out of making her squirm.
I just don't want to play as a stupid MC. I don't need him to be a gigachad Sherlock that does everything right and isn't afraid of anything, but ffs take the educated woman with a massive ego and temper seriously - especially if you're trying to get her on her knees at some point.

God damn a whole book lol

 

[Dorohedoroo]

full save for latest update please

 

[Count Morado]

full save for latest update please

If only there was a search function on this site to find it quickly...

 

[vankaajsar]

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Hear me out, she comes into the office and hears loud moaning so she peeks, then when she sees her son she is outraged and just when she is about to come inside BAM sunny cums so hard she squirts. Leslie is just there frozen, thinking to herself "wow she's squirting? I wonder how that feels" whiled biting her lip. That's when she starts imagining how would it feel and doesn't even realize she is touching herself. When she snaps Out of it, she barges in interrupting them.

From that point on you could have all kind of things happen. I mean leslie is the character that has changed the most in this game, but she is also the character that resist to change the most.

Heck you could have her berating sunny only to realize that she's fainted and thinking to herself "lucky bitch".

Or Leslie would just acknowledge Jon has been dating other ladies and she's not the one and won't ever touch him again since Jon doesn't need her care anymore.

 

[Knight]

Or Leslie would just acknowledge Jon has been dating other ladies and she's not the one and won't ever touch him again since Jon doesn't need her care anymore.

That's only assuming that she isn't the one who wants it, it's pretty obvious Lilith knows that Leslie is sexually frustrated and everything she has done to push MC has been to make him break down social barriers around her giving in to her urges; same with his sister. If anything Lilith is going make sure that Leslie knows that MC is fucking other women once she is sufficiently invested to stoke jealousy and push her to completely give in.

Lilith is building a harem with MC as it's linchpin, there is no way she isn't accounting for social taboo's and personal feelings of the girls. We already know she leaves little to chance with how she arranged Brenda's book deal, I doubt she wouldn't account for something as obvious as Leslie's personal feelings on the matter, else she wouldn't have set up the doctor scenario or be playing mind games with her dreams.

Or in other words, the goal is to make it so Jon doesn't need her to satisfy his his lust anymore, but she needs him and for her to acknowledge it.

 

[pisstaker]

Or Leslie would just acknowledge Jon has been dating other ladies and she's not the one and won't ever touch him again since Jon doesn't need her care anymore.

Leslie might get hurt if she discovered she wasn't the only one.
But she is way past the excuse of doing it "to take care of him".

 

[vankaajsar]

That's only assuming that she isn't the one who wants it, it's pretty obvious Lilith knows that Leslie is sexually frustrated and everything she has done to push MC has been to make him break down social barriers around her giving in to her urges; same with his sister. If anything Lilith is going make sure that Leslie knows that MC is fucking other women once she is sufficiently invested to stoke jealousy and push her to completely give in.

Lilith is building a harem with MC as it's linchpin, there is no way she isn't accounting for social taboo's and personal feelings of the girls. We already know she leaves little to chance with how she arranged Brenda's book deal, I doubt she wouldn't account for something as obvious as Leslie's personal feelings on the matter, else she wouldn't have set up the doctor scenario or be playing mind games with her dreams.

Or in other words, the goal is to make it so Jon doesn't need her to satisfy his his lust anymore, but she needs him and for her to acknowledge it.

Who says so? Leslie is working to keep her marriage despite the drunk Paul being an ass and Leslie herself knowing she's totally into Jon. Seeing Jon hanging out with other ladies might just be the excuse for her to get back home and save the marriage for good. You are working a theory of your own and I'm just taking bits of the current story to remind it is not that simple, it is not giving herself to lust for the lust itself.