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This article gave me some hopes it is very recent case oct 20 2021 but i will reseaching more about it i also try to communicate with the lawyer with help of my friend and wainting when the lawyer give me an appointment.
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This article gave me some hopes it is very recent case oct 20 2021 but i will reseaching more about it i also try to communicate with the lawyer with help of my friend and wainting when the lawyer give me an appointment.
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The lawyers comment being regarding it ideally shouldn't be considered the same has ZERO to do with the actual legality. It's just an expression of what he thinks it should be.
Just saying don't get your hopes up over this.
Also if I was in your spot and wanted to make a change and prevent future incidents like that article.
Get a bunch of people and petition that police department why they haven't charged the individual who claims to paid to watch the video for paying for it and receiving the material.
That should force the police to arrest the shit head who turned them in.
That will make the news and deter others from turning people in.
 

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The lawyers comment being regarding it ideally shouldn't be considered the same has ZERO to do with the actual legality. It's just an expression of what he thinks it should be.
Just saying don't get your hopes up over this.
Also if I was in your spot and wanted to make a change and prevent future incidents like that article.
Get a bunch of people and petition that police department why they haven't charged the individual who claims to paid to watch the video for paying for it and receiving the material.
That should force the police to arrest the shit head who turned them in.
That will make the news and deter others from turning people in.
Hey friend, first of all you are 100% right on your opinion. It was a lawyer who was just giving his thoughts about the case and it doesn't matter whoever he is cause the law will not change. But the way I see it(I could be wrong) I think Indian government is only trying to prohibit any kind of sexual activity in public. That also means trying to sell adult materials in public places. Cause there are plenty of Indian pornography in internet and some actresses also have Patreon accounts but the authority doesn't give a sh*t cause it isn't a big deal and in our cases we are not gonna provide any kind of real sexual acts(also will not even advertise it in public or social media platforms). We just want some tips if you've seen and liked our games and it is also up to you. I know there are people who're doing worse sh*t than this everyday and they're totally fine but I want to find a legitimate way to do it because I like to think I'm an responsible citizen.
 

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Yeah. Same. Please share updates about this once you get cleared in is it legal or not or punishable in future.
 

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Hey friend, first of all you are 100% right on your opinion. It was a lawyer who was just giving his thoughts about the case and it doesn't matter whoever he is cause the law will not change. But the way I see it(I could be wrong) I think Indian government is only trying to prohibit any kind of sexual activity in public. That also means trying to sell adult materials in public places. Cause there are plenty of Indian pornography in internet and some actresses also have Patreon accounts but the authority doesn't give a sh*t cause it isn't a big deal and in our cases we are not gonna provide any kind of real sexual acts(also will not even advertise it in public or social media platforms). We just want some tips if you've seen and liked our games and it is also up to you. I know there are people who're doing worse sh*t than this everyday and they're totally fine but I want to find a legitimate way to do it because I like to think I'm an responsible citizen.
The only way I can see the law getting changed is if people get upset over it.
There are a old classic Indian movies with nudity in it and soft core action. I know that because of friends I had as a child. As an example if those suddenly became censored I wonder what type of up roar it might cause? What I don't understand is I don't remember Indian culture being so prudish when I was a child. What caused the change? That was 35 years ago.
If you get people in India to start seeing the law as a threat to their cultural heritage then it will go away a lot faster.
My guess is there has been a change in demographics and culture that has brought about this stupidity.
 
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Hey friend, first of all you are 100% right on your opinion. It was a lawyer who was just giving his thoughts about the case and it doesn't matter whoever he is cause the law will not change. But the way I see it(I could be wrong) I think Indian government is only trying to prohibit any kind of sexual activity in public. That also means trying to sell adult materials in public places. Cause there are plenty of Indian pornography in internet and some actresses also have Patreon accounts but the authority doesn't give a sh*t cause it isn't a big deal and in our cases we are not gonna provide any kind of real sexual acts(also will not even advertise it in public or social media platforms). We just want some tips if you've seen and liked our games and it is also up to you. I know there are people who're doing worse sh*t than this everyday and they're totally fine but I want to find a legitimate way to do it because I like to think I'm an responsible citizen.
Thats main reason you told we are responsible citizens thats the reason for not breaking the law and regarding celebs they have money and power if somthing happens to them they can hire a good lawyer and lawyer finds the loop holes for them and free them from it. Even EA sports a big gaming company opt-out its sales of the game dragon age inquisition because of IT Act 2000
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Thats main reason you told we are responsible citizens thats the reason for not breaking the law and regarding celebs they have money and power if somthing happens to them they can hire a good lawyer and lawyer finds the loop holes for them and free them from it. Even EA sports a big gaming company opt-out its sales of the game dragon age inquisition because of IT Act 2000
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After reading the article I've searched the game and it was pretty easy to download and there was no restriction. Even in the article they've described how an Indian can buy a physical or digital copy of the game using a VPN connection. Well are they really writing about why it was banned in India or how you can buy it from India?lmao
 

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Here's a recent article by recent law grads about it:
First, off keep in mind I oppose the law and the way it is written.

Their first problem is that they take this as a challenge to right to privacy.
The law is centered around targeting those people who manufacture and distribute porn.
You can't argue you have a right to privacy when you are selling the content publicly. That right to privacy is vacated by your own action in regard to that act. Just think of it as having sex in the middle of the street you have no assumed right to privacy because you did it in the public.

Their next big argument is there are terms that are undefined or vague. They try to push that through the rest of the rest of the articles.
Examples given are ‘published’ and ‘transmitted’. Those are more than clearly defined legally even in India's legal system and others.
They rely to heavily on the legal code alone. There is case law that also has to be considered.

They also seems to fail to grasp the law is primarily targeting online porn.

As you can see here the law isn't written as obscurely as he makes out.





Then they also seems to fail to loosely defined terms are used in law for a reason. That reason is to allow for a greater scope of coverage. You don't want to create a law such as it is illegal to murder someone with a handgun. Otherwise it doesn't cover the person who uses a knife or some other object. There are countries and even US states that have laws written that stupidly.

Criminalizing consent:
Thier bitching about law meeting article 14 of the constitution "14. Equality before law.—The State shall not deny to any person equality before the law or the equal protection of the laws within the territory of India."

Their complaint about a case in which a man published online a video of his ex-girlfriend without her consent and was prosecuted for it. His issue is with him being charged for transmitting the video not the violation of privacy. Well technically she gave him consent to view and record that so they can't get him for violating the privacy unless they had a written contract that made it clear the privacy extended to him not being allowed to distribute it. They didn't charge him for production because under that circumstance it was a legal act between two adults and wasn't originally intended to distribution. So they can't charge him or her for the production. So the only crime in this was the illegal transmission / distribution of the video. Which is exactly what he was charged with.

India's constitution: (warning it's a book 256 pages.)


The case we talked about prior to this article were the old man turned in the couple for making porn would have made a much better argument for article 14 of the India's constitution yet still failed in this case. That's the same law not being applied equally if the couple is charged and the man who turned them in is not. However, that isn't a failure in the law at that point because the law is written to apply equally. That would be a failure in the people not doing their job. Article 14 isn't about people failing to do their job its about making it illegal to create legislation that only applies to a portion of the populace or grants a portion of the populace more privileged. In this case that isn't the issue the law is directed at everyone equally.

They pretty much beats the narrative of ambiguity to death through both article sections.
Not a very good argument for someone graduating from Symbiosis Law School, Pune.
Honestly, after reading it I'm surprised he graduated from any law school what-so-ever.

The only part of this article that might hold any weight is the argument regarding obscenity being two ambiguous.
Even in US law we loosely define obscenity. We have a obscenity law in the us and it is based on what the general populace views. It however isn't enforced to the greater extent. Consider 70% of the populace doesn't view porn. You could argue the majority of the populace considers it obscene. Yet, we allow porn under freedom of speech. Primarily because it was first distributed and protected under the freedom of press. And it was printed at the time and the court took press as a literal term.
This can be further scene as evident when you look at the publishing later on of cryptographic algorithms in books wouldn't land you in jail and doing so on the internet could. That later was changed and the internet became accepted as a form of publishing.
Still to this date printing something in a book is still more protected.
You can write a book on how to make all sorts of devices and weapons but publish the same thing online you will can in many cases end up in jail.

The law was primarily passed under the idea that porn and so on was harmful to the society.
If there is any hope of getting that law repealed or changed it would be on attacking that point.
Understand they used no scientific proof to create that argument.
I don't know if India's legal system allows attacking the law for being passed for a false or unproven reason.
Secondly, what level of harm is required for that to hold true?
As I said above they didn't use any science to back up their claim. That doesn't mean there isn't such proof they could have used. In fact we know there are studies showing that porn can have adverse effects on individuals. If an individual is harmed that also carries out to the society. It could simply be their behavior change has a negative effect on society. In the US we have a higher requirement than something to that effect to be used to create laws to some extent. We at one point didn't we used to lock people up in mental institutes who we deemed nuts until Ronald Reagan let the crazies out.
India's laws are vastly different in regards to aspects like that. You can actually be locked in a mental hospital without a court order against your will.

So unless you have a base or level of what is considered to be harmful to society established it may be next to impossible to get the law repealed under normal legal means.


That leaves two other options prove that the law causes greater harm or public outcry.

How would you prove greater harm. Take for instance a lot of the people who may be producing porn are low educated females with poor job opportunities and some may have children to fee. If they can't do stuff like porn on the web they could resort to prostitution which is worse than doing porn.
It's more risky in multiple ways. Women often run into bad Johns and risk of STDs increases in the society when unregulated prostitution occurs.
A better alternative to letting that happen would be to regulate prostitution and better which would cost the government money to pay to still enforce.
Alternatively let the women do the online porn and regulate the adult porn industry. Create a two types of licenses one for women who do solo and another for those who act in person on person sex in porn. The second would need to be tested for STDs. The first license can't do anything other than solo porn.
They can thus make money outside of prostitution and the risk of STDs is reduced in society.

Public out cry.
You can try and get the majority of the public to side with you. Not as likely.
Easier would be get a large enough group of people to side with you that you can shut down the legal system for years if they don't change the law.
Imagine a few million people go to an event and share porn with one another. Now they are forced to literally arrest all of them and article 14 does come into effect. It would probably plug up the legal system indefinitely and over fill the jails. They couldn't prosecute normal cases because the court would be inundated with those. If India has a strong jurisdictional set of rules such as you have to be prosecuted in the area you committed the crime you can make this even worse on the legal system by staging it in the area with the smallest legal system and jail.

Find a decent lawyer to discuss that stuff with not the two people who wrote the stupid article above.
 
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Here's part II of their argument, where at least they're citing some case law.


Just for the sake of completeness.

Have there been prosecutions in India involving "virtual'/digital pornography", where the content doesn't depict real-life individuals?
 
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This artical also doesn't give a solid statement about what is punishable or what is not i am tiered of this shit now
Yep the article doesn't this might help answer some of it.



 
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My impression is that India sometimes even has issues with PDA(public displays of affection), so their standards as to what is "obscene" are likely to be less permissive than in many Western countries.
 

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First, off keep in mind I oppose the law and the way it is written.

Their first problem is that they take this as a challenge to right to privacy.
The law is centered around targeting those people who manufacture and distribute porn.
You can't argue you have a right to privacy when you are selling the content publicly. That right to privacy is vacated by your own action in regard to that act. Just think of it as having sex in the middle of the street you have no assumed right to privacy because you did it in the public.

Their next big argument is there are terms that are undefined or vague. They try to push that through the rest of the rest of the articles.
Examples given are ‘published’ and ‘transmitted’. Those are more than clearly defined legally even in India's legal system and others.
They rely to heavily on the legal code alone. There is case law that also has to be considered.

They also seems to fail to grasp the law is primarily targeting online porn.

As you can see here the law isn't written as obscurely as he makes out.

Then they also seems to fail to loosely defined terms are used in law for a reason. That reason is to allow for a greater scope of coverage. You don't want to create a law such as it is illegal to murder someone with a handgun. Otherwise it doesn't cover the person who uses a knife or some other object. There are countries and even US states that have laws written that stupidly.

Criminalizing consent:
Thier bitching about law meeting article 14 of the constitution "14. Equality before law.—The State shall not deny to any person equality before the law or the equal protection of the laws within the territory of India."

Their complaint about a case in which a man published online a video of his ex-girlfriend without her consent and was prosecuted for it. His issue is with him being charged for transmitting the video not the violation of privacy. Well technically she gave him consent to view and record that so they can't get him for violating the privacy unless they had a written contract that made it clear the privacy extended to him not being allowed to distribute it. They didn't charge him for production because under that circumstance it was a legal act between two adults and wasn't originally intended to distribution. So they can't charge him or her for the production. So the only crime in this was the illegal transmission / distribution of the video. Which is exactly what he was charged with.

India's constitution: (warning it's a book 256 pages.)


The case we talked about prior to this article were the old man turned in the couple for making porn would have made a much better argument for article 14 of the India's constitution yet still failed in this case. That's the same law not being applied equally if the couple is charged and the man who turned them in is not. However, that isn't a failure in the law at that point because the law is written to apply equally. That would be a failure in the people not doing their job. Article 14 isn't about people failing to do their job its about making it illegal to create legislation that only applies to a portion of the populace or grants a portion of the populace more privileged. In this case that isn't the issue the law is directed at everyone equally.

They pretty much beats the narrative of ambiguity to death through both article sections.
Not a very good argument for someone graduating from Symbiosis Law School, Pune.
Honestly, after reading it I'm surprised he graduated from any law school what-so-ever.

The only part of this article that might hold any weight is the argument regarding obscenity being two ambiguous.
Even in US law we loosely define obscenity. We have a obscenity law in the us and it is based on what the general populace views. It however isn't enforced to the greater extent. Consider 70% of the populace doesn't view porn. You could argue the majority of the populace considers it obscene. Yet, we allow porn under freedom of speech. Primarily because it was first distributed and protected under the freedom of press. And it was printed at the time and the court took press as a literal term.
This can be further scene as evident when you look at the publishing later on of cryptographic algorithms in books wouldn't land you in jail and doing so on the internet could. That later was changed and the internet became accepted as a form of publishing.
Still to this date printing something in a book is still more protected.
You can write a book on how to make all sorts of devices and weapons but publish the same thing online you will can in many cases end up in jail.

The law was primarily passed under the idea that porn and so on was harmful to the society.
If there is any hope of getting that law repealed or changed it would be on attacking that point.
Understand they used no scientific proof to create that argument.
I don't know if India's legal system allows attacking the law for being passed for a false or unproven reason.
Secondly, what level of harm is required for that to hold true?
As I said above they didn't use any science to back up their claim. That doesn't mean there isn't such proof they could have used. In fact we know there are studies showing that porn can have adverse effects on individuals. If an individual is harmed that also carries out to the society. It could simply be their behavior change has a negative effect on society. In the US we have a higher requirement than something to that effect to be used to create laws to some extent. We at one point didn't we used to lock people up in mental institutes who we deemed nuts until Ronald Reagan let the crazies out.
India's laws are vastly different in regards to aspects like that. You can actually be locked in a mental hospital without a court order against your will.

So unless you have a base or level of what is considered to be harmful to society established it may be next to impossible to get the law repealed under normal legal means.


That leaves two other options prove that the law causes greater harm or public outcry.

How would you prove greater harm. Take for instance a lot of the people who may be producing porn are low educated females with poor job opportunities and some may have children to fee. If they can't do stuff like porn on the web they could resort to prostitution which is worse than doing porn.
It's more risky in multiple ways. Women often run into bad Johns and risk of STDs increases in the society when unregulated prostitution occurs.
A better alternative to letting that happen would be to regulate prostitution and better which would cost the government money to pay to still enforce.
Alternatively let the women do the online porn and regulate the adult porn industry. Create a two types of licenses one for women who do solo and another for those who act in person on person sex in porn. The second would need to be tested for STDs. The first license can't do anything other than solo porn.
They can thus make money outside of prostitution and the risk of STDs is reduced in society.

Public out cry.
You can try and get the majority of the public to side with you. Not as likely.
Easier would be get a large enough group of people to side with you that you can shut down the legal system for years if they don't change the law.
Imagine a few million people go to an event and share porn with one another. Now they are forced to literally arrest all of them and article 14 does come into effect. It would probably plug up the legal system indefinitely and over fill the jails. They couldn't prosecute normal cases because the court would be inundated with those. If India has a strong jurisdictional set of rules such as you have to be prosecuted in the area you committed the crime you can make this even worse on the legal system by staging it in the area with the smallest legal system and jail.

Find a decent lawyer to discuss that stuff with not the two people who wrote the stupid article above.
Actually India is very high ranking in rape cases and many accused accepted that they commit this crime after watching pornography thats why this law takes position and try stop cyber pornography but here is the fool thing came in this cause this law permit to watch the pornography in their private space but he/she doesn't transmit or publish it. The foolishness here is if the accuse sated that they commit the crime after watching the porn so ban watching porn not publishing or transmitting cause other countries can do that so why are government spoiling thiere economy.
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Actually India is very high ranking in rape cases and many accused accepted that they commit this crime after watching pornography thats why this law takes position and try stop cyber pornography
Yes, people accept it. They did so without scientific proof. Which is what I made the point of.

but here is the fool thing came in this cause this law permit to watch the pornography in their private space but he/she doesn't transmit or publish it.
Actually the law does not allow you to watch it in your private space.
The clearly says it is illegal to posses or receive. If you look at my previous posts I actually posted the link to India's legislatures online copy of the law.
It also says you can not produce or distribute. Those terms are expanded in the law to include all the various methods of production and distribution.

The foolishness here is if the accuse sated that they commit the crime after watching the porn so ban watching porn not publishing or transmitting cause other countries can do that so why are government spoiling thiere economy.
Sorry for my bad english
Here is the legal code of India covering this matter.



 

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Actually the law does not allow you to watch it in your private space.
The clearly says it is illegal to posses or receive. If you look at my previous posts I actually posted the link to India's legislatures online copy of the law.
It also says you can not produce or distribute. Those terms are expanded in the law to include all the various methods of production and distribution.
Well the law does clarify that we(any adult) can watch pornography in our private space and yeah we can also store it unless it involves character or person under 18. You can even get charged just for searching child pornography without watching it which is I think applicable to almost all the country and it's certainly good.
About changing the law I think it's nearly impossible at least right now cause I've seen many people sharing porn or other content through Whats App group and other platforms. So majority of the people will not have a problem with it. In fact I think they don't know about the law while they're doing the crime without getting the headaches. Only those who will see it as a potential business have to face the problem and that number is nearly 0 cause in spite of being the 2nd largest populated country in the world very few people are interested in getting a job or a hobby other than government service or stupid Netflix. While I don't know if I'm wise or eligible enough to raise question about the law or government I do believe at this point this IT act is inconsequential or maybe unneeded. It's 2021 and still children don't get proper sex education in school and the authority and parents still think the internet, games, porn will make a bad effect on society and children. After reading the law one will think at least they got the freedom to watch it in private but no they've banned most of the sites in the name of something irrelevant. Why India has high number of rape cases compared to other foreign countries cause they are not only open to it, they're developed and most importantly educated in a certain level of educational and psychological way.
I also don't know what causes this stupidity but I do know it will not gonna change anytime soon and yeah it's really frustrating to find the way(if it has any) in a good guy role.
 

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My impression is that India sometimes even has issues with PDA(public displays of affection), so their standards as to what is "obscene" are likely to be less permissive than in many Western countries.
You are absolutely right there. Sometimes it becomes a big deal if you're kissing your girlfriend in public, it will be a hell if you're caught watching porn in your private space and sometimes you'd be misunderstood if your language was a bit vulgar(doesn't matter what you've told is truth or a mere joke or for educational purpose)
 

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Well the law does clarify that we(any adult) can watch pornography in our private space and yeah we can also store it unless it involves character or person under 18. You can even get charged just for searching child pornography without watching it which is I think applicable to almost all the country and it's certainly good.
About changing the law I think it's nearly impossible at least right now cause I've seen many people sharing porn or other content through Whats App group and other platforms. So majority of the people will not have a problem with it. In fact I think they don't know about the law while they're doing the crime without getting the headaches. Only those who will see it as a potential business have to face the problem and that number is nearly 0 cause in spite of being the 2nd largest populated country in the world very few people are interested in getting a job or a hobby other than government service or stupid Netflix. While I don't know if I'm wise or eligible enough to raise question about the law or government I do believe at this point this IT act is inconsequential or maybe unneeded. It's 2021 and still children don't get proper sex education in school and the authority and parents still think the internet, games, porn will make a bad effect on society and children. After reading the law one will think at least they got the freedom to watch it in private but no they've banned most of the sites in the name of something irrelevant. Why India has high number of rape cases compared to other foreign countries cause they are not only open to it, they're developed and most importantly educated in a certain level of educational and psychological way.
I also don't know what causes this stupidity but I do know it will not gonna change anytime soon and yeah it's really frustrating to find the way(if it has any) in a good guy role.
I had to find an alternative link to the direct legal code because apparently their site is currently having issues.

But from what I remember It makes, manufacture, distribution, receiving and possession all illegal.
There is a few exceptions I think they are meant to be related. Such as a couple can film themselves for their own personal use.
It only becomes illegal when it is distributed. The ability to watch material at home is I believe supposed to be tied to that aspect.
After all how can you watch something you can legally receive or posses. I think there is a general concept in play that it only becomes porn / (obscene) if it is acts are viewed by those who are not in it.
Back to the example of a couple filming themselves. If they view it there isn't anything obscene about it. However, if another person watches it who wasn't partaking and the intent is "sexual arousal" term used in the law. Then it is considered obscene.

Section 292 [(2)](a) does list possession. That's on page 67.
The idea is that it doesn't become obscene until someone other than those in it are made aware of it.
Hell even advertising it without images is illegal, making offers to have any part of it illegal, being in it for profit is specifically listed as illegal.
We can avoid section 293 because we aren't really interested in the section regarding minors with this discussion.
I also attached the pdf in case this link has issues in the future.
 

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I had to find an alternative link to the direct legal code because apparently their site is currently having issues.

But from what I remember It makes, manufacture, distribution, receiving and possession all illegal.
There is a few exceptions I think they are meant to be related. Such as a couple can film themselves for their own personal use.
It only becomes illegal when it is distributed. The ability to watch material at home is I believe supposed to be tied to that aspect.
After all how can you watch something you can legally receive or posses. I think there is a general concept in play that it only becomes porn / (obscene) if it is acts are viewed by those who are not in it.
Back to the example of a couple filming themselves. If they view it there isn't anything obscene about it. However, if another person watches it who wasn't partaking and the intent is "sexual arousal" term used in the law. Then it is considered obscene.

Section 292 [(2)](a) does list possession. That's on page 67.
The idea is that it doesn't become obscene until someone other than those in it are made aware of it.
Hell even advertising it without images is illegal, making offers to have any part of it illegal, being in it for profit is specifically listed as illegal.
We can avoid section 293 because we aren't really interested in the section regarding minors with this discussion.
I also attached the pdf in case this link has issues in the future.
Yeah, you're right but you're taking a case that will be rare and inconclusive. If a couple film themselves in the act and watch it privately then there will be no problem. There will also be no problem if a third person watch it silently(which the old man didn't do). Problem starts to arise when legal authority come to know about this and then it'll be up to three of them to answer that how the video was shared. Was it the couple who shared it or was it the third person who stole it? When I said 'legal' I meant a person watching porn other than child pornography on the internet like every other normal person and if he want he can download and save it in his pc or phone.
On the other matter I'm a bit confused about the restrictions. Is it because we're Indians that's why we can't do it or is it because we are in India or we can upload it but not in any Indian website.
 

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Yeah, you're right but you're taking a case that will be rare and inconclusive. If a couple film themselves in the act and watch it privately then there will be no problem. There will also be no problem if a third person watch it silently(which the old man didn't do). Problem starts to arise when legal authority come to know about this and then it'll be up to three of them to answer that how the video was shared. Was it the couple who shared it or was it the third person who stole it? When I said 'legal' I meant a person watching porn other than child pornography on the internet like every other normal person and if he want he can download and save it in his pc or phone.
On the other matter I'm a bit confused about the restrictions. Is it because we're Indians that's why we can't do it or is it because we are in India or we can upload it but not in any Indian website.
Thats the exactly my point if see recent Raj Kundra's case he is producing the porn in india and distribute throgh a app called hotshot in Australia he got arrested and case is under going. My second fear is a person who working on a project named Mystry of magic got abandoned because legal reasons you can read the reason here
https://f95zone.to/threads/mystery-of-magic-v0-1-8p-forest-fairy.70118/post-5762814
But don't know which country she is from and there is not any way to contact her cause her discord and patreon get taken down by government so I can't able to reach her.