RPGM Elemental Awakenings [v0.4] [W2 Gaming]

[Winta Wodenson]

No, I don't think he's that out of pocket.

In my book it stinks of AI + overpaint. I might be wrong, but the more I saw OP's images the more I became convinced he's trying to pull the wool over our eyes. To be fair even if it is AI, OP is doing a fair bit more than the average grifter who is usually just trying to sell us some stable diffusion prompts with the most generic ass plot chipiti can churn out, but I don't think this is 100% photoshop like they claim. Doubly convinced after I tried the game and had a look at the sprites.

I appreciate your logic. I'm not the artist, but after reading the comments I think it is impossible to demonstrate whether or not it is AI. I know the work flow. I give a sample pose, then the artist gives a line drawing, I make comments, he give updated line drawings, when I like it we move to coloring and again more comments. It would be odd and unnecessary work for him to take the sample poses, put them into an AI generator, then trace the AI image rather than the sample pose.

Is there some AI on the backgrounds? Maybe, I don't care about the backgrounds, but even that gets granular changes from time to time. Is there AI assistance with shading? Maybe, I don't know how photoshop tools work. I'm not the artist.

As far as sprites are concerned, you are totally right. So far we have only used standard in-engine generated sprites. I figured people would rather more images than 100s of hand crafted sprites. Maybe I'm wrong. We are starting to do some sprite customization with Asprite but we will see. The one area of sprites we need to work on is for the minoan (our word for minotaur) sprites. I'm not sure when we will get to them though.

If you are worried about me being a grifter, just wait and see. I appreciate you saying it looks like there is a little more effort than the typical grifter. This is my first attempt. I haven't even set up a Patreon yet. We have a couple more Chapters mostly ready to release, but we are testing the process so we can ensure consistency. But if as things progress, if you don't like the game or the art, you probably shouldn't donate since that would just send me the wrong message.

 

[Winta Wodenson]

Also lots of conversations are repeteable which don't make sense: e.g. helping the rich man in the southern town (which gives you infinite gold loop hack), or ordering a cake from the waitress on the eastern town...just the same conversation and action triggers again as if it was the first time

Good catch with the rich man in Trousby. It's fixed in the base code now. The conversation with Layla was repeatable on purpose, but I think you might be right so I changed it.

As far as additional guidance is concerned, I don't like prologues when I play games because you are being told the reality rather than discovering the reality. I like discovery in my games so we avoided too much hand holding. Maybe that is the wrong choice. We did make barriers to prevent people from wandering too far from the quests, at least in the beginning.

 

[Winta Wodenson]

Which lady is my dear mommy?

The minotaur style lady on the far left is a muscle mommy type, but we haven't settled on when to add her as a regular character to the game yet.

 

[Winta Wodenson]

inspired by the Warlock and boobs game, perhaps?

I don't think so? Does Warlock and Boobs have bimbofication? I played it a little and I seem to remember all the characters starting as big-titty bombshells. I thought it more catered to genderbending/bi style content. That's not in this game.

I would say we were inspired more by the original Lab Rats, The Pit's Powergirl-Hypnos comic and maybe some by NLT. I like how Treasure of Nadia had an interesting narrative.

 

[Winta Wodenson]

It isn't AI, but dude clearly used AI to do shading

He didn't used AI to make image he drawn it and when used AI to shade and this is much dumber than another dude cause soft can show it is AI generated now. View attachment 5099300

This isn't AI. I wouldn't even know the prompt to put in. The same image but better? The same image but thinner line art? The same image but more muscle definition? The art improvement is incremental but is clearly not a new image. I don't think you can use AI to change one element of an image. And again why generate an AI image to trace over it when there are thousands of actual porn images to trace?

I think you are right to be wary, but I got the draft history. And I am positive there are more drafts than I see. This isn't AI guys. I'll continue talking about this for a while but I know it will ultimately be impossible to convince everyone.

 

[BrightNight77]

Why isn't this tagged as 'ai cg'?

 

[nitu23]

I wouldn't even know the prompt to put in. The same image but better? The same image but thinner line art? The same image but more muscle definition? The art improvement is incremental but is clearly not a new image. I don't think you can use AI to change one element of an image. And again why generate an AI image to trace over it when there are thousands of actual porn images to trace?

Thing is, stuff like NovelAI has a whole workflow to make exactly this process work. It can generate a wip lineart from a finished generation, or vice versa. Then, you can tweak settings to your liking, and you an inpaint details you want changed.

I don't particularly care if it is or isn't AI in your games case, because as far as I can tell in the OP, you aren't asking for money. But I suspect that you or your artist are not being entirely truthful. Especially with the change in style, positioning, and rendering of stuff like the attached images.

The candle holder completely changed position, style, and quality. It got worse in what should be the final. The woman's face changed completely, going from a pretty standard sort of western style, to more of an anime mix. The lighting on her body from the wip, which correctly originates from the candle, is now just general glossy lighting from nowhere in particular, which is very common in AI. Not to mention that the entire setting has changed. Brick walls are suddenly wooden walls with a glass window in view.

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[Murs12]

Please add AI tag, this is an assault to my gooner senses. (Unironically)

 

[Ratnedalu]

To be fair even if it is AI, OP is doing a fair bit more than the average grifter who is usually just trying to sell us some stable diffusion prompts with the most generic ass plot chipiti can churn out,

Honestly, that's my issue with AI art more than anything else; it becomes yet another method of oversimplifying game production so that lazy people can throw out slop and call it a game; this site is already littered with IllusionSoft basemodel clones ("Chikaface" being the Koikatsu term) and other, similar issues.

 

[Ratnedalu]

This isn't AI. I wouldn't even know the prompt to put in. The same image but better? The same image but thinner line art? The same image but more muscle definition? The art improvement is incremental but is clearly not a new image. I don't think you can use AI to change one element of an image. And again why generate an AI image to trace over it when there are thousands of actual porn images to trace?

I think you are right to be wary, but I got the draft history. And I am positive there are more drafts than I see. This isn't AI guys. I'll continue talking about this for a while but I know it will ultimately be impossible to convince everyone.

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My dude, you keep showing these before-and-afters trying to prove they're not AI, but they're the best proof that it IS AI; the shading provided, is DISTINCTLY AI. The slight detail changes (positioning of the hand), are even more distinct; I tinker plenty with Pony, and I can tell what you're looking at. Either you're lying, or less likely, you've got an artist and they're lying to you... but that's pretty solidly AI.

Personally, I don't care whether or not you're using AI art. My issue is you lying about it; if you're lying about that, what else, pray tell, will you lie about if we were to support your game?

 

[gooboy]

I think there is a heightened sensitivity surrounding this whole AI biz. But As an artist myself I don't really see an issue with AI assisted work. It seems like there has been and exchange or even dialogue between the artist and the CG generation which I actually think is quite fascinating. The work itself looks good. Albeit a bit too perfect in the AI sort of way.

My problems with this game come from the actual game itself. I just don't thin the RPGM format fits this at all. I have more fatigue with half assed game mechanics. I stopped playing at the cave because I just didn't feel the game design respected me as a player and my time. These sort of quandaries are also prevalent in the design flow of the AI uprising.

I have read some of your responses and felt you had enough of what I takes to understand and internalize that so I took time to give an honest constructive critique. I hope it reaches you well and best of luck on your journey.

 

[MadAng]

I stand corrected regarding the artist; I searched and they do have a big selection of porn comics/illustrations online, with a clear developing style. I still believe there’s some gen AI aid (likely trained on their original art) but that's a big gray area I won't get into here.

 

[elmicho]

this game is giving warlock and boobs vibes
if this axe lady is futa, the game is sure inspired by warlock and boobs

 

[th3n]

this game is giving warlock and boobs vibes
if this axe lady is futa, the game is sure inspired by warlock and boobs
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Let's hope this is not a fuckfest like that game

 

[Winta Wodenson]

Let's hope this is not a fuckfest like that game

Someone else commented about this looking like Warlock and Boobs and I think it is the banner. So, I'll probably change it in a month or so. But, it is not inspired by it. This game will focus on bimbofication. I think it Warlock and Boobs I think all the girls start stacked. Also, no genderbending. There will probably be some girl/girl strapon action but no futas. Also, the plan is for this to be a harem style plot.

 

[Winta Wodenson]

*snip*

Thanks for the feedback. There was internal disagreement over how much "combat zone" to include in the game. We made it so you can run from every fight except narrative fights. We picked RPGM over RenPy mostly to avoid a wall of text style game with +1 per interaction and eventually unlock new interaction after so many convos. We have a simple stealth mini game in the works and some puzzles. We are testing out different types of game play and will adjust based on feedback. Our goal is about 4ish animations/pictures per 30 min of gameplay, but that ratio may be a bad one.

But thanks for the feedback.

 

[ziogirolamo]

Hi, sorry to bother you, I wanted to ask if this game has breast expansion?

 

[Winta Wodenson]

Hi, sorry to bother you, I wanted to ask if this game has breast expansion?

It will. Breast Expansion, ass expansion, lip expansion, and they will be animated. We have some currently in the works. But here is a teaser from the character models.

 

[Winta Wodenson]

Also hope your artist will keep polishing the drawing to be good, not make it bad intentionally just so people stop saying it as AI, that is such a loss.

Thanks for the encouragement. I probably spent too much time worrying about how to prove or disprove this and I think you are right. We put a SS of the game into a detector and it came back 100% AI. The pictures of the actual game are clearly not AI generated.

Some people like to troll. I'll stop feeding the trolls after this post.

 

[babes313]

Thanks for the encouragement. I probably spent too much time worrying about how to prove or disprove this and I think you are right. We put a SS of the game into a detector and it came back 100% AI. The pictures of the actual game are clearly not AI generated.

Some people like to troll. I'll stop feeding the trolls after this post.

Here's something extra on such occasion, there is a BIG difference of, can draw a BIG DICK and can be a BIG DICK.