VN Ren'Py Falling Undercover: Nox Syndicate [v0.06.0] [Azienda]

[seveseves]

i want to see the nurse behind the curtain why did i get no chance to make it transparent ((

 

[Bob69]

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[Graxenof]

Welp, pack it up fellas. We won't be seeing this scene from Luna's POV anytime soon. They just responded to a question on their Patreon from someone asking about the Luna POV of the silhouette sequence:

"Azienda AUTHOR · 17min

Hi there! We get your desire and curiosity to see everything that Luna experienced in perfect detail, however it simply isn't possible for a couple of main reasons. First of all, showing the entire sequence in full detail would actually take a huge amount of time, likely over a month of work. It would mean reanimating all the CGs from a new angle, creating around 30 facial expressions, and adding all the necessary details. This is simply logistically unfeasible. Second, if we showed all five positions again from Luna's POV right after seeing it from Aiden's we feel it would be a bit tedious and repetitive from a narrative perspective. Usually we do not see these scenes in so much detail from Aiden's perspective, so when we see it from Luna's there's a lot more to explore. That would not be the case here. Simply put, the scene was designed from the ground up to be shown in silhouette, which allowed us to focus on atmosphere and movement. If we had planned to show it fully from Luna's POV as well, we would have approached it differently. Probably with fewer poses, likely two, instead of the five we created. That being said, FUNS is episodic. We release it in a serialized fashion for a reason and the story is not done until the game is complete. We hope that we have built up enough goodwill and faith amongst our audience that they will join us on this journey as it continues to unfold."

GG's. That is a major disappointment. Almost feels like a cop out.

 

[Terix3]

Yeah, Good NTR is a good mix between Cheating and Loyality and Corruption.

While Luna physically is easy to get corrupted and the pace is fast, It's still hard to guess her future feelings, we're in Episode 6 and her loyality status is 99% with her husband, I like that because I'm here more for Corruption and Cheating, not to enjoy stealing Luna from MC just like that.

Different people enjoy NTR for different reason, so everyone has their own idea what true/good NTR is.

However as far as corruption is concerned it is clear that FMC seeking sex with multiple partners is more corrupted than one simply falling for another guy. This doesn't mean that it needs to be "turbo" corruption but simply natural step. It would make a lot of sense for Vargas to get bored of Luna now that he fucked her few times. But the devs are hard selling us on the idea that he wants to "steal" her...

 

[Terix3]

Welp, pack it up fellas. We won't be seeing this scene from Luna's POV anytime soon. They just responded to a question on their Patreon from someone asking about the Luna POV of the silhouette sequence:

"Azienda AUTHOR · 17min

Hi there! We get your desire and curiosity to see everything that Luna experienced in perfect detail, however it simply isn't possible for a couple of main reasons. First of all, showing the entire sequence in full detail would actually take a huge amount of time, likely over a month of work. It would mean reanimating all the CGs from a new angle, creating around 30 facial expressions, and adding all the necessary details. This is simply logistically unfeasible. Second, if we showed all five positions again from Luna's POV right after seeing it from Aiden's we feel it would be a bit tedious and repetitive from a narrative perspective. Usually we do not see these scenes in so much detail from Aiden's perspective, so when we see it from Luna's there's a lot more to explore. That would not be the case here. Simply put, the scene was designed from the ground up to be shown in silhouette, which allowed us to focus on atmosphere and movement. If we had planned to show it fully from Luna's POV as well, we would have approached it differently. Probably with fewer poses, likely two, instead of the five we created. That being said, FUNS is episodic. We release it in a serialized fashion for a reason and the story is not done until the game is complete. We hope that we have built up enough goodwill and faith amongst our audience that they will join us on this journey as it continues to unfold."

GG's. That is a major disappointment. Almost feels like a cop out.

GGs thrown under the bus again. There are like no NTR being made now that prioritize FMC pov.

 

[JohnSchuler]

Welp, pack it up fellas. We won't be seeing this scene from Luna's POV anytime soon. They just responded to a question on their Patreon from someone asking about the Luna POV of the silhouette sequence:

"Azienda AUTHOR · 17min

Hi there! We get your desire and curiosity to see everything that Luna experienced in perfect detail, however it simply isn't possible for a couple of main reasons. First of all, showing the entire sequence in full detail would actually take a huge amount of time, likely over a month of work. It would mean reanimating all the CGs from a new angle, creating around 30 facial expressions, and adding all the necessary details. This is simply logistically unfeasible. Second, if we showed all five positions again from Luna's POV right after seeing it from Aiden's we feel it would be a bit tedious and repetitive from a narrative perspective. Usually we do not see these scenes in so much detail from Aiden's perspective, so when we see it from Luna's there's a lot more to explore. That would not be the case here. Simply put, the scene was designed from the ground up to be shown in silhouette, which allowed us to focus on atmosphere and movement. If we had planned to show it fully from Luna's POV as well, we would have approached it differently. Probably with fewer poses, likely two, instead of the five we created. That being said, FUNS is episodic. We release it in a serialized fashion for a reason and the story is not done until the game is complete. We hope that we have built up enough goodwill and faith amongst our audience that they will join us on this journey as it continues to unfold."

GG's. That is a major disappointment. Almost feels like a cop out.

Meh, it is what it is.

I personally see where they are coming from. From narrative and what they wanted to show and do. Just this scene (it's not the first one btw) what they decided would not be very important, but still wanted to make it so they chose that approach. And tbh, it went out great still, the "inner dialogues" altho indeed missing a bit, those what we have (in status window) imo, are pretty good nonetheless and works to open up her corruption a bit too

It's still a little bit sad without Luna in a nurse outfit (like, not only from her back), but oh well, maybe one day in the future in some role-play with Vargas

 

[Viciousscorpion]

I like the mystery aspect of it. It's kinda boring watching the same scene from different perspectives sometimes.

 

[SenMizeri]

... likely two, instead of the five we created.

Two poses would have been enough. Quality over quantity. Because as they said...

.... so when we see it from Luna's there's a lot more to explore.

All we really got from Aiden's POV, was him describing what we were already seeing and hearing.

 

[ryg88]

Welp, pack it up fellas. We won't be seeing this scene from Luna's POV anytime soon. They just responded to a question on their Patreon from someone asking about the Luna POV of the silhouette sequence:

...

GG's. That is a major disappointment. Almost feels like a cop out.

if ever the dev will backtrack on this, it's probably best to do it as a dlc. plus, the dev team probably wanted to avoid what happened to them when they were working on their last work Turning the Page, where they probably felt that going from the Felix route (MC mystery) to Sophie route (FMC corruption) was tedious.

This is in line with the dev's "post-mortem" reflection after they finished TTP:
https://f95zone.to/threads/turning-the-page-v1-0-0-azienda.131246/post-16310969

...
2) Felix’s point of view didn’t have enough happening
We love mystery netorare. Seeing the story from the male POV and wondering what is happening and when, almost like a detective. It can be incredibly fun and anxiety-inducing in the best way possible. Unfortunately, we don’t think we did justice to that experience. There were long stretches of Felix being oblivious and not witnessing enough enticing material for the gameplay to be independently enjoyable. Combined with how long the game was, that resulted in an experience that alternated between fun and boring for hours. Our biggest course-correction to Turning the Page’s direction midway through development was attempting to beef up the Felix POV, and while it certainly improved things, it wasn’t a smooth experience. Simply put, we can do better.

3) The point of view system caused a lot of repeated dialogue
Another issue with the point of view system is that it causes dialogue to be repeated twice in short order if a player wanted to read both POVs in a given month. We heard some complaints about this and tried to shift things slightly, but maintaining a balance of a story that could be read from both POVs individually and together was challenging to write. In fact, writing those scenes would end up being the lowest point of the writing schedule every month. Mint dreaded them. It sounds like it would be the easiest thing to write since the dialogue is already written after one POV is done, but it would cause a lot of rewrites or awkward shoehorning of inner-monologues to paper over plot issues. It, simply put, was not a fun time for many involved and it kind of left the feeling that the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze.
...

Plus, in the same post-mortem, the dev team already laid out back then how they will do things for FUNS:

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Our next project will be much shorter. Not as short as the projects before TtP, but closer to that range. Our aim is that projects will last 18 months or less. So, in essence: you get two complete, but still satisfying, netorare corruption stories in the same period, and we get to shake things up creatively more often. A win/win situation, we think.

In addition, we are going to be changing up how our POV system works. Rather than scrap the male POV and go all in on the female POV, we are going to put a lot more effort in the male one. Our next project will still present an option, but the option will be between seeing the story from the male perspective exclusively, or seeing the story from multiple ones. We think that will cut out a lot of the problems while still allowing the user a choice in how they experience the story. In particular, we will focus on presenting each POV as a complete and satisfying experience that does not require the other.

So if you want to read the male POV before the mixed one, you can do so without worrying about having a tedious mixed experience, since you will be able to skip everything you saw before. Or, if you want, you can skip that experience altogether and just get to the mixed POV, which will tell the story completely as well. Finally and vitally, if you want to play the game from the male perspective only, you should have a fun and titillating experience that perhaps won’t be as complete and all-encompassing as another way of playing it… but if you are into that kind of thing, that’s part of the thrill isn’t it?
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The choice of Male POV only + All POV is not just something Azienda does instead of Male POV + Female POV. Other devs do too. Guess the Male + All is easier to write instead of Male + Female.

 

[Thatlostone]

This debate over the silhouette scene really shows the difference between people who are more into netorare and people who are more into corruption. As someone who loves the latter more than the former, I was a bit disappointed that the scene was entirely from Aiden's POV (because I also don't really care much about his POV). But I also see that this game is being written in a manner where it needs both perspectives to work properly. I did love Turning the Page a lot, in part because I never cared for Felix's (the cuck) perspective and the game allowed me not to see his POV unless I chose to. This game is different, but so far, I have no complaints. So I'll trust in Azienda's vision for the game. I'm sure there will be hotter scenes from Luna's POV in the next updates.

 

[Graxenof]

Meh, it is what it is.

I personally see where they are coming from. From narrative and what they wanted to show and do. Just this scene (it's not the first one btw) what they decided would not be very important, but still wanted to make it so they chose that approach. And tbh, it went out great still, the "inner dialogues" altho indeed missing a bit, those what we have (in status window) imo, are pretty good nonetheless and works to open up her corruption a bit too

It's still a little bit sad without Luna in a nurse outfit (like, not only from her back), but oh well, maybe one day in the future in some role-play with Vargas

True. I mean, I get the narrative significance, and I still think Aidens POV is being handled almost perfectly imo. It's just, out of the 40+ events/scenes that we've seen across 6 updates, this was the first major non-foreplay centric event in the game. And they just decide to make it one sided?

Something about that just rubs me the wrong way. But overall it was still a great episode and I'm still looking forward to what comes next. I just hope the devs can find some balance in how they deliver events like this in the future.

 

[X9hect0r]

Personally, in NTR games, I like the perspective of the cheated character, as well as the accompanying visual and audio details: silhouettes, discarded condoms, strange sounds, phone calls, among others. But every now and then, it's also interesting to see the story from the woman's point of view.

 

[res987]

This debate over the silhouette scene really shows the difference between people who are more into netorare and people who are more into corruption. As someone who loves the latter more than the former, I was a bit disappointed that the scene was entirely from Aiden's POV (because I also don't really care much about his POV). But I also see that this game is being written in a manner where it needs both perspectives to work properly. I did love Turning the Page a lot, in part because I never cared for Felix's (the cuck) perspective and the game allowed me not to see his POV unless I chose to. This game is different, but so far, I have no complaints. So I'll trust in Azienda's vision for the game. I'm sure there will be hotter scenes from Luna's POV in the next updates.

I couldn't have said it better, my limited English prevents me from writing something like that without it sounding broken.
"team corruption for life"

 

[cesium]

It's practically corrupted the character offscreen, omitting the entire character journey. Now all that's left is for the male character to find out. After living through that entire sequence and seeing how she ended up, it doesn't make sense for the female character to fight it. It's gotten to the point where they can do whatever they want with her. I would have preferred a scene or two with different points of view to that whole sequence that feels rushed. I went from looking forward to this game to a total disappointment.

 

[cesium]

Let's be honest, the background silhouette is a pretty weak resource when used so repeatedly. I've seen this a lot in Japanese games that are only made to quickly deliver content. The excuse of a lot of work doesn't convince me when the reality is that you saved an indecent amount of time with each scene shown. Quality over quantity... the game relied on obtaining quick resources from its Patreons, that's all.

 

[SenMizeri]

It's practically corrupted the character offscreen, omitting the entire character journey. Now all that's left is for the male character to find out. After living through that entire sequence and seeing how she ended up, it doesn't make sense for the female character to fight it. It's gotten to the point where they can do whatever they want with her. I would have preferred a scene or two with different points of view to that whole sequence that feels rushed. I went from looking forward to this game to a total disappointment.

I wouldn't say I'm totally disappointed, but I agree. They've shoved a lot of themes/firsts into this version, that there's not as much left to explore before we go into the "silly NTR ending" trope where they're scraping the barrel to keep the kink going... unless they delve into sharing Luna to keep the corruption momentum going.... but that's not to a lot of peoples taste buds.

They could win me over with good writing, but meh, I don't have my hopes up anymore.

 

[Zegion101]

This whole sequence should've been spread over both pov, like one with the guy at the start and when he leaves and returns to the room, we get her pov. It felt like pretty big leap in her corruption so was missed opportunity

 

[Nefurien]

Do people actually read the dialogues of the game? Luna at the end is not defeated at all. She's full of hate like usual. She's not mind broken or anything. Getting fucked 3 times doesn't mean the corruption jumped ahead, it's all about how she'll be in the next update. If episode 7 starts with her begging for Vargas's dick then yeah that's going to be bad, like really bad. But at the end of the last cg she was the usual Luna, so the corruption barely moved on

 

[res987]

This whole sequence should've been spread over both pov, like one with the guy at the start and when he leaves and returns to the room, we get her pov. It felt like pretty big leap in her corruption so was missed opportunity

like the Aiden and Luna "fuck" scene in episode 5 ?, yeah but "narrative excuse" it serves more for mystery but the other "excuse" its for it is so that everything could come out in a timely manner without delay (again).

 

[Thatlostone]

It's practically corrupted the character offscreen, omitting the entire character journey. Now all that's left is for the male character to find out. After living through that entire sequence and seeing how she ended up, it doesn't make sense for the female character to fight it. It's gotten to the point where they can do whatever they want with her. I would have preferred a scene or two with different points of view to that whole sequence that feels rushed. I went from looking forward to this game to a total disappointment.

I agree that right now Vargas has complete control over her, using Aiden's screw-up to fuck her at will. And I'm sure he's gonna milk it for all its worth, but the corruption is not done yet, mentally she stills hates him and loves Aiden. The best part of the corruption is still coming, but the path is clearer now, not as mysterious as it was before.