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Kalenz123

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Without having spoken to Crush either, it seems to me it might be a combination of being both unable and unwilling to finish the game. He could hire help to finish the game - but then he likely won't be able to progress as far with a new game project, and that must be quite a concerning prospect for him. It's easier to stall for time and drag the development of this game out for as long as possible.
There are a ton of games (interestingly many of them fem protag games) who have attracted a big following and a respectable donation per month amount that suddenly stalled in development. Redone artworks, redone animations, redown game mechanics, story rewrites, sound added for old scenes. Their changelogs for each version are always very long but somehow the game barely changes nor advances. And suddenly the game has been in development for 10 years or been abandoned after siphoning way too much money for way too long for way too little progress.

The amount of good games that were actually completed is very low.
 

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There are a ton of games (interestingly many of them fem protag games) who have attracted a big following and a respectable donation per month amount that suddenly stalled in development. Redone artworks, redone animations, redown game mechanics, story rewrites, sound added for old scenes. Their changelogs for each version are always very long but somehow the game barely changes nor advances. And suddenly the game has been in development for 10 years or been abandoned after siphoning way too much money for way too long for way too little progress.

The amount of good games that were actually completed is very low.
There's a lot of sad wisdom in that post. Creation is hard and can falter for any number of reasons.
 
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Hey does anyone have the old patreon version 1.16.4 (the one before the rework)? I remember it being linked in the OP before, but it's gone now
 

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Hey does anyone have the old patreon version 1.16.4 (the one before the rework)? I remember it being linked in the OP before, but it's gone now

It's linked on the downloads page on the official website. The formatting seems kinda broken when starting a new game, but it's still playable if you scroll down.

 
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I'm going to call it before I see it; he's managing the expectations and yet the release will be underwhelming given it has taken 2 years to come out. No point we debate this after the fact; we have clearly a few diehard fans and now we MIGHT have a product to measure progress by.

Honestly hope to be proven wrong, but if I'm right then I hope Crush will do the right thing and finish the main story before he gets bored or too frazzled. He owes that much to those who supported him over the years, with no more reboots or excuses. Just constant and regular (measured in months, not years) progress until the story reaches at least one conclusive ending.

Here's hoping he's actually a decent human being and not a scammer at heart.
 
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I'm going to call it before I see it; he's managing the expectations and yet the release will be underwhelming given it has taken 2 years to come out. No point we debate this after the fact; we have clearly a few diehard fans and now we MIGHT have a product to measure progress by.

Honestly hope to be proven wrong, but if I'm right then I hope Crush will do the right thing and finish the main story before he gets bored or too frazzled. He owes that much to those who supported him over the years, with no more reboots or excuses. Just constant and regular (measured in months, not years) progress until the story reaches at least one conclusive ending.

Here's hoping he's actually a decent human being and not a scammer at heart.
He's going to do a "small release" of one part of the lifepath.
Then, he's going to polish and finish stuff. He'll catch some sickness/have some family things to deal with during half of December, so he'll release the full-with-some-placeholders version mid January.

Then, he'll say something like "after some of the feedback from the lifepath, I need to adjust some of the first scenes in Bangkok to better reflect the choices you made in the lifepath".

And then we'll enter the same cycle again.
 

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Latest Crush news, if anyone is interested. Why can't he do a complete version of the game, release it, see how people like it, then tweak it or start all over again? Is it because of money? It seems to me like money is a big issue with him. He doesn't seem to care about much else. Why start and stop so many different versions of the game if it's not about money? Anyone supporting him monetarily must be off their rockers. Blue Swallow all the way!!!
 

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I have raised with him the idea of either bagging this game or finishing it quickly and then moving on to something else with the lessons learned, but he was wholly unreceptive to the idea. He's fixated on this one thing being PERFECT and because it isn't, he can't turn his attention to something else.
 

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If I was pulling in 4k/mo for almost no work I would be wholly unreceptive too.

Best case for a new game is he keeps his support but actually has to do something. Better to just keep the milk flowing and leave the cows undisturbed.
 
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In my opinion, the problem is that it can't be perfect. Everyone has different tastes; some like them big, others small, some prefer blondes, others brunettes or redheads. So, some people might like how things are going, and others might not, which means the game will never end because depending on who you listen to, you'll make one decision or another.
 

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Latest Crush news, if anyone is interested. Why can't he do a complete version of the game, release it, see how people like it, then tweak it or start all over again? Is it because of money? It seems to me like money is a big issue with him. He doesn't seem to care about much else. Why start and stop so many different versions of the game if it's not about money? Anyone supporting him monetarily must be off their rockers. Blue Swallow all the way!!!
Because he knows that after milking patreons for 2 years and giving them the middle finger he needs to actually show some of his work - that he isn't doing - and let's not get baited by the "but but but he wants it perfect" bs.

He needs to string along those patreons who have not yet seen thought this scam, if he "releases" some complete version of the game he needs to ACTUALLY MAKE THE FKING GAME!!!! Because i won't accept that after more that 6 damn years he hasn't finished a fking HTML game!!!! So he's obviusly stalling for ... something to happend? Like some magic Fairy makes the game for him?

So yes, he's making all this stuff to not work on the game, then he gives some "teaser" to the patreons who (for any reason my mind can't understand) think "oh he did something, everybody on our knees and praise Crush for making the same segment of the game for the 17th time!!! Thank you my lord!"

This is not about perfection, this is about a guy who understood how Patreon allows to legally scam idiots.
 

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In my opinion, the problem is that it can't be perfect. Everyone has different tastes; some like them big, others small, some prefer blondes, others brunettes or redheads. So, some people might like how things are going, and others might not, which means the game will never end because depending on who you listen to, you'll make one decision or another.
All that is true, but he's not at the stage where he has to worry about other people's reactions yet. It will never be perfect in his own eyes, and because he's a perfectionist, he can't do the big release yet. What he will be releasing soon is the "short cut" version of his lifepath, which is essentially a way for a player to avoid dealing with the two years of unreleased work he's been doing since the last update. I'm sad for the guy.
 

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All that is true, but he's not at the stage where he has to worry about other people's reactions yet. It will never be perfect in his own eyes, and because he's a perfectionist, he can't do the big release yet. What he will be releasing soon is the "short cut" version of his lifepath, which is essentially a way for a player to avoid dealing with the two years of unreleased work he's been doing since the last update. I'm sad for the guy.
What's perfectionism about him?

Not being able to advance the game from the same point for the last 6 years?

I honestly can't understand....
 
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What's perfectionism about him?

Not being able to advance the game from the same point for the last 6 years?

I honestly can't understand....
The theory is that he writes a paragraph/scene/page/segment, reads over it, thinks "it's not good enough" and then rewrites it. And then he reads it again and thinks "it's not good enough" so he rewrites it. And then he's happy with that segment, so he moves onto the next one. And does the same thing. But least now he has two segments that he's happy with, so he decides to play them one after the other, the way the game would be. And he decides it's not good enough so now he has to rewrite both segments
 

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The theory is that he writes a paragraph/scene/page/segment, reads over it, thinks "it's not good enough" and then rewrites it. And then he reads it again and thinks "it's not good enough" so he rewrites it. And then he's happy with that segment, so he moves onto the next one. And does the same thing. But least now he has two segments that he's happy with, so he decides to play them one after the other, the way the game would be. And he decides it's not good enough so now he has to rewrite both segments
For 6 straight years? So by this logic when the time of the game realease comes FA will literally be the Suma Cum Laude of the gaming industry, the GTA VII of porn.

FA will be that Golden Ratio Greeks didn't even came close by, the Fibonachi of Porn. 6 years of ongoing continous perfectionism... we are not ready for what's to come.
 
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