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[Anonymous100]

So, after much deliberation, here are my votes as well, with all the extra categories included:

I. Best narrative in a femdom game:

3. Nothing is Forever (well written more realistic story than most femdom games, with several deep and interesting LIs, consequential choices and occasional philosophical or chess-related lore dumps - only reason I'm not putting it higher is the fact that the story is a bit mundane and slice-of-lifey at times)

2. Shadow over Meridia (great mind-control focused lezdom game, with political intrigue and the story of a young mage girl attempting to subdue the world in a fantasy setting that takes itself seriously - reminds me quite a bit of "Mistress vs Slave")

1. The Shadow over Blackmore (great plot setup, intricate story with factional rivalries and political infighting between various gynarchist factions that are part of the same witch coven, immersive horror/eerie mystery atmosphere, strong VtM: Bloodlines vibes for any fellow kindred )

II. Best femdom scene:

3. Tie between A New Life in Beijing (final scene where you serve breakfast in bed to Mistress Jiang, massage and worship her feet) and The Shadow over Blackmore (Bellatrix's long BDSM session with MC at the end of day 3; also liked the Smoking human ashtray scene with Mina and her girlfriend at the afterwork party on day 2, but Mister_M would probably smoke me Cosa Nostra-style if I included that, so I'll have to pass on it... )

2. Seeds of Chaos (Mental domination scene with Shaya at the end of her path with a submissive Rowan - it is very trippy, long-winded and delightfully written, and Cliohna's final femdom hypnosis scene also comes very close, but that one is from many years ago)

1. Nothing is Forever (Kim "walking over MC" trampling and humiliation scene at her apartment, closely followed by Emma's humiliation of MC when they're alone in the holiday house)

III. Best graphics/design in a femdom game:
(I'd prioritise nice drawn art over daz 3d models for this category, but SoB has to get a place because of how well it stays atmosperically consistent, how good the lighting is in most scenes etc, and I just love the Skyrim-esque fantasy look of Dominant Witches, so...)

3. Dominant Witches
2. The Shadow over Blackmore
1. Seeds of Chaos

IV. Sexiest characters:

3. Bellatrix from The Shadow Over Blackmore (I also really like Vivienne and Mina, Alice's daughter, from this game, but neither quite as much as Bellatrix)

2. Megan from The Renaissance and Moving Down (she's a charactar staring in both of Miron's games)

1. Leah from Dominant Witches, especially in the purple Qipao dress she gets for a mission midgame. Gorgeous hairstyle, beautiful body shape and facial features, she's an elf and gives you plenty of golden showers - what else is there to ask for!

V. Most innovative femdom game:

This category probably gives me the most trouble, as I didn't feel there were many games that did too innovative/unique concepts or storylines as of late, so I'll leave top spot blank

3. Femdom Wife Game - Zoe, for I guess trying to be a realistic 3D femdom relationship simulator, complete with decent-sounding AI voices and lots of events with an emphasis on chastity and cunnilingus - the concept was done before in Japanese games like Escalation!, but not as a 3D exploration game, and there might be other games that copied its concept like I will obey you Mistress! 1 and 2, but I haven't played those and they came after it

2. The Shadow over Blackmore (for it's unorthodox, older adventure game UI, room investigation scenes that gave me flashbacks of hard-as-hell point and click games like "Syberia" where you'd have to investigate and combine items, sans the insane difficulty part, plus for weaving horror/lovecraftian themes and Vampire: the Masquerade-like factional politics in a dedicated femdom narrative)

1. ...

Femdom Game of the Year:​

First I'd like to give honorable mentions to:

- Boring Days (the slow progression from a rich businessman to your maid's, wife's and Belinda's slave is quite enjoyable, the writing is decent and it's well put together for an HTML game - losses points for lots of grind, as well as rather small and slow updates)

- Neuvau (what bothers me the most about it is the short chapters and rare updates, but otherwise it has a couple of smoking hot mistresses and some nice, albeit short, femdom scenes)

-Femdom University 0 (Too much grind and resource management for my liking, withough any characters that really stood out to me, but a good game by Sallia Coel nonetheless)

-Giant Guardians (undoubtedly the best and most content-rich Giantess game out there - a shame about half of its giantesses do not act dominant in the least, and that there are so many of them some updates are irrelevant for femdom lovers. Nonetheless, Nixmay finally got an update recently, and so did Sheina, who also has some light femdom scenes)

-The Minimum Project (A refreshing/light-hearted school setting giantess game, where MC is shrinked, not the other way around, with plenty of femdom content especially related to feet, pussy worship and swallowing/digestion - Maria, the main antagonist, is also a very sadistic and dominant bully and, if you're into giantess femdom, you'll almost certainly love her scenes and bratty arrogant demeanor!)

- A New Life in Submission (much has already been said about it - I despise its campus outdoors music, the really loud track which hits you when you exit Leah's room, and I wasn't at any point amazed by its art or story, but it is nonetheless a good femdom game and I'm glad it wasn't abandoned! )

-Reina's Desire (new game with lots of potential and several hot LIs that either already do or will likely have femdom content - might squeeze into my top 5 for next year depending on where it goes from here)

- Karlsson's Gambit (one of the biggest and most intricate Ren'Py AVNs out there, with lots of branching paths and care put into its development, but honestly I'd like to give smaller creators the spotlight - I'm aware it's a far more complex and scene-rich game than many that did make my top 5, but I always found the plot a bit convoluted, the game too porn-scene heavy, often with side characters that aren't really fleshed out and I could barely care about, and never enjoyed it as a femdom experience and story as much as the top 5 or even most of my other honorable mentions, so that's why it doesn't belong in my top 5! Felt I had to justify myself for this one... )

- Slave U (Taco's best femdom game in my opinion, with 2 very different yet loveable mistresses as LIs, Akame and Mei. The story is not too engrossing, but the game has beautiful renders, a pretty wide variety of fetishes and in my opinion better and more consistent dominant female characters than Second Class)

10. New Beijing day 8 (This game is actually back! It wrongly received the abandoned tag, as it got an update this July and the dev claims to be still working on it. It's made by Banished, the same dev who made Harshville eons ago, and I strongly recommend it to anyone who is into lezdom and Asian mistresses! It's very much a humiliation game like Femdom U, but imo hotter and far less grindy. It's also more linear and feet-centric, but the main theme is certainly MC's poverty and humiliation. Don't play it if anti-white racism puts you off or if you dislike nonsensical alternate histories branching off from our reality in ww2! This game is basically what idiots like Johnny Harris think irl China is actually like, but with a hot lezdom twist on top!)

9. Dominant Witches (great somewhat whimsical, fun and wholesome femdom game in a fantasy world - graphics remind me of a modded Skyrim quite a bit, and there are several very beautiful mistresses in it, including the real Leah, not the boyish-looking one from ANLIS! )

8. Seeds of Chaos (well written dark fantasy game with several deep and interesting characters with femdom content, like Jezera, Cliohna, Shaya etc. Only a bit unfortunate that the main story progresses at a snail's pace and that there hasn't been much femdom in the latest updates)

7. MironHFG's The Renaissance (doesn't have much femdom content in it thus far, but it's already looking like a great sequel to Moving Down which in my opinion is likely to surpass it and will feature a lot of hard femdom in the later updates, so it will probably make my top 5 for next year)

6. Katalist (One of the best ToT-inspired games, with great atmosphere, an intriguing plot and several hot succubi and other female characters to submit to, with a plethora of fetishes from spitting to findom to pissing, boot and foot worship. The only reason it narrowly misses my top 5 is that I didn't enjoy as much the content from the latest updates)

Added links to the 2 lesser known games I've thrown into this list so anyone interested can look them up! And now that we're done with my special mentions, here's the top 5 itself!

My TOP 5:​

5th: The Queendom of Lithzena (Another one of the better ToT-inspired games out there with plenty of unique lore and potential, as well as a dev that listens to feedback and provides frequent updates, and some less common fetishes like puppy play)

4th: Shadow Over Meridia(Mind control-focused fantasy lezdom game. At the core it's a strategy RPG with erotic scenes interspersed between missions as another user put it recently on this thread, but it's well written, I like the lore of the world and the way MC slowly builds up her forces and rises in prominence with her mind control abilities, as well as several of MC's victory/defeat scenes over various foes, especially the pussy worship, mental domination and enslavement to Queen Lianne scene and bad ending in the latest update. This game is more than it appears on a cursory look, and as a bonus the dev is a really nice person that listens to feedback and is very active and dilligent in both answering questions on the thread and releasing updates!)

3rd: Moving Down (Miron HFG's first completed femdom game - a game almost as long and complex as Karlsson's gambit, with a lot of femdom scenes, including lots of furniture play and cunnilingus, as well as unique methods of bodily torture, social humiliation, chastity, scat and many other kinks, but at its core a disturbing dark femdom narrative like few others. Not for everyone, but imo the best finished femdom game of this year by a long shot, and a great psychological narrative of descent into submission, despair and endless humiliation at the hands of several dominant women in MC's life, starting from a vanilla relationship in a pretty realistic setting - thinking back on it, probably I should've also nominated it in the "Most innovative femdom games section" for the very unorthodox ways in which it tortures or humiliates MC, so I'll have it tied for 3rd place with the Femdom Wife game in that category as well)

2nd: Nothing is Forever (A great game with many branching paths, slowburn romance and at least a couple femdom scenes, some of them very well done, with almost every single female LI in the game. It's aiming for a far more realistic setting than most porn games, does an excellent job with flashing out its characters and giving them a coherent personality regardless of MC's personality choices, which can vary strongly in 4 directions and lead to content anywhere from maledom to vanilla and femdom. The narrative it builds is compelling and captivating, and every scene/kink is not just skippable, but avoidable)

1st: The Shadow Over Blackmore (Has to be my best femdom game of the year, especially with my bias for "World of Darkness" and well thought-through horror narratives that feel eerily realistic. I love the atmosphere it builds and maintains through both the art and soundtrack, the horror and psycological teams it tackles, the way you get tiny glimpses of the bigger picture through "insights" but the wider gameworld stays shorouded in questions and unconfortable misteries, and I think it is Darktoz's Magnum Opus. I also appreciate the ability to toggle futa content completely off or severly reduce it at the start of the game, the fact that most sidequests tell you which kinks they explore before you start them and I like both the diversity of fetishes, including stuff like smoking and spitting or asphyxiation bondage to name a few rarer ones, and many of the mistresses MC can submit or will have a chance to submit to in future updates, like Vivienne. There's lots of lore and passion crammed into those 3 in-game days!)

That's it! I think it took me more than 4 hours to type this, make decisions and small changes, and probably I ranted too much about some of the games. Nonetheless, merry Christmas everyone (regardless of religion, as I'm an atheist myself) and I hope that at least some of you find new interesting games either due to my post or those of other users that voted!

Can MC be submissive to characters (like submissive routes) in shadow over meridia without getting bad ends? I have been avoiding it as I thought the MC was most ly dominant due to her mind control powers.

 

[LAKueiJin]

Can MC be submissive to characters (like submissive routes) in shadow over meridia without getting bad ends? I have been avoiding it as I thought the MC was most ly dominant due to her mind control powers.

MC will be mostly dominant if you discount the submissive "bad" ending to Queen Lilliane, but I'd say one of her earliest companions and in the end closest allies, Fionne, is personalitywise more dominant than Chloe, the MC. Chloe turns the tables on her pretty early on in the story, but there is a scene with a different character where the player can choose to take a submissive postion. So yeah, MC is mostly dominant, (which I like, as I often play dominant female characters even in triple A games like Skyrim or Cyberpunk) but there is a little bit of submissive content as well.

EDIT: I also remembered you loved "Mistress vs Slave" - that being the case I'm certain you will like some of the scenes in this game (remember how MC was also mostly dominant in Noxurtica's game?), so I'd say you should give it a shot!

 

[Mister_M]

Checked 2 games tagged femdom, that seemed on the 1st glance to not have (a lot of) femdom: Sins of Night and Lust Witches. And guess what? They don't have (a lot of) femdom!

Sins of Night is a vampire themed VN with repetitive scenes in a sandbox enviroment. The game actually starts like a normal AVN, but then goes full on into GRIND. There are stats for making a character dominant (by invading her dreams), but I haven't actually see any femdom scene. Maybe it's there, but - y'know - grind, so I stepped out of the night and into a bright, albeit snowy day.

Lust Witches has a bullish girl, and a girl MC licks foot of and gives cunni to (unavoidable scenes btw), but then she gives him a bj. It's all over the place with kinks, and it seems - based on dev's inspirations - it will stay there, and we'll be more of a dark fetish game than a thematic one.

also liked the Smoking human ashtray scene with Mina and her girlfriend at the afterwork party on day 2, but Mister_M would probably smoke me Cosa Nostra-style if I included that, so I'll have to pass on it...

Wise choice, my dear friend. *puts the gun down*

Reina's Desire (new game with lots of potential and several hot LIs that either already do or will likely have femdom content - might squeeze into my top 5 for next year depending on where it goes from here)

Unfortunately it seems that it won't happen. While there's still a glimmer of hope, it's more and more likely that the dev really met with a tragic end

as [...] complex as Karlsson's gambit

One of the problems I had with the game was that the choices were empty, and no matter what I decided MC did whatever the dev wanted me/him to do. Karlsson's Gambit has imo much more complex narrative, with infinitely more branching plot and true choices.

 

[baxtus]

Came across this game

Not sure the name, since it's Japanese, but there is a game preview here:

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Played through part of the preview, couldn't understand the story, but I did find the femdom to be sexy

Some foot, ass and pussy worship as well as some lolidom

 

[Mister_M]

Came across this game View attachment 3196109

Not sure the name, since it's Japanese, but there is a game preview here:

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Played through part of the preview, couldn't understand the story, but I did find the femdom to be sexy

Some foot, ass and pussy worship as well as some lolidom

I think it's Hametsu no ganbō, Desire for Destruction.

 

[Z - Reborn]

I used AI to make a few images for endings in witches. It was hard as hell to get a nice result even with img2img and controlnet.
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Spoiler: warning, pee scene

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Not gonna lie, I think this looks far better than the game itself.

 

[baxtus]

I think it's Hametsu no ganbō, Desire for Destruction.

Thanks, now I just need to find a translated version

 

[Brecleas]

Best femdom scene-2023:
1st place: scenes with Lydia ("Gynocracy")
2nd place: scene with Marin ("Surrendering to My Crush")
3rd places: scenes with Lauren ("On the Prairie" (Lauren femdom path))
and scenes with Elizabeth ("Bindr: Kink Dating" (Elizabeth femdom path))

Lydia says hello

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[Tom Aspinall]

I just wanted to get my list done before the deadline, don’t really know how to preface, so let’s just get on with it.

Top 5

5. Tower of Trample​

Controversial for sure, but we did get an update in the form of 9F even if the post itself wasn’t updated, and at the end of the day, it’s still one of the GOATs you know?

4. Domination Desire: Banished​

It still surprises me that the game is barely a year old, definitely one of the most promising titles moving foward, it has excellent variety of characters, fetishes, scenes and environments which fit in pretty well with the roguelike angle the game is going for.

Not the biggest fan of 3D though, and the game is mostly centered around enemy encounters instead of more “prolonged” femdom.

3. Monster Girl Dreams​

If it had graphics it would be the undisputed GOAT, it’s pretty unique in the fact that it has RPG mechanics in Ren’py instead of being a visual novel, the entire battle system focused around orgasms is also a nice touch, as is the fetish and sensitivity levels, there’s a fairly decent amount of pretty well made mods for it as well.

2. Femdom University Zero​

This is also a very recent game, it can get grindy at times but it is a tremendous step up from the previous game and does away with the fantasy and fighting aspects for a more focused approach on school life, one of my favorite parts is the consequences of your actions, be it losing fame, getting addicted to feet, stat losses, money loss or actual game overs.

It does use comissioned art which can vary in quality but it generally tends to be pretty decent, the school itself is also fairly large with a lot of interactable characters that make it quite lively. The main story is also mostly treated as a side thing, with the game mostly focusing on its wide cast instead. Just needs a bit more time in the oven to really blossom.

1. Katalist​

While definitely not objectively the best femdom game, it is certainly my favorite, it is a ToT-like with a story that wouldn’t be out of place in an anime, I’d nominate it for the best narrative if I did the other lists, the game has a vast open world that is brimming with characters, side quests and secrets.

One of the things I quite like is the cast, it has a sizeable selection of girls but the story also features a lot of male characters, which is appreciated since it’s not often you see male characters having big roles in these types of games, ranging from the always funny John, the psychopathic femboy Dominic and a guy who just wants to smoke weed with you and disassemble your spine.

The main downside of the game is that the art can be inconsistent, the early characters have outdated art, but the scenes are all animated and the new art tends to be quite nice.

Plus what other game has this?

Spoiler: Katalist in a nutshell:

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Honorable Mentions:​

ANLIS: As much praise as this game gets, it never quite clicked with me.

League of Domination: Questionable quality, but I had fun, and that’s what counts right?

The Countess: Really good release for a standalone.

Paradise Succubus: Very obscure and includes lots of focus on futas, but it includes a nice femdom path.

 

[Umbra_2079]

Maybe not a sub per se, but you can sub to the maid/servant - who mentions you're subbing to the lowest person possible - in Magic Femdom. And subbing to a sub - more like subbing to a potential subs - in a form of people from below you on the social ladder in games like Boring Days (maid, secretary, and more), The Enslavement Wars (prisoner/slave), Prison 2 (maid).

Damn. You know I've played way too much games when I've played and remeber all of these. Still, thank you!

 

[Mister_M]

I tried playing Katalist, 8 losses against Noo, 7 of them with breast animation. Damn irritating, some variety would be appreciated... Time to delete I guess. EDIT: I tried a bit longer, but the succubus woman made me dislike the game even more: 6 losses to the same boot sniffing animation and one to foot sniffing. It just goes on and on boringly. Enemies have ridiculous amounts of HP, I went to fight against that flying fire thingy and that was so freaking long and boring.

BTW I quickly checked Rise of the Outcast Hero, a new game tagged femdom. It only has the classic short-femdom-scene-between-NPCs and nothing more. And the first monster girl MC meets just gets wet for him and proceeds to have sex in an unavoidable scene.

 

[Tom Aspinall]

I tried playing Katalist, 8 losses against Noo, 7 of them with breast animation. Damn irritating, some variety would be appreciated... Time to delete I guess.

Ah the old getting stuck at the first boss.

She's not a difficult fight if you use your specials and use the calm down option under "Psyche" so you don't get wrecked by grapples after she raises your seduction gauge. She does have a lot of health though.

You can get some free equips by going to the lockers at the north west of the school, or just turning the difficulty down in options.

The game opens up significantly after you beat her, and she does have more variety, it's just bad luck plus no story progression, she has a "serious" mode later on.

 

[Mister_M]

She's not a difficult fight if you use your specials and use the calm down option under "Psyche" so you don't get wrecked by grapples after she raises your seduction gauge. She does have a lot of health though.

I just edited my post. Yeah, I used calm down, but she spams her attacks faster than my calm down resets. If the animations would be more varied it wouldn't be so bad, but watching the same thing 7 times in a row is irritating and boring. And I did find that items (baseball bat and something else), but the amounts of hp of even some random enemy makes the fights too long. It's not Dark Souls or something that you have engaging fight, it's just clicking with mouse on the same commands and watching the same animation repeat all the time. Sorry for the rant, it's a frustrating experience for me

 

[Captain Pervert]

Came across this game View attachment 3196109

Not sure the name, since it's Japanese, but there is a game preview here:

You must be registered to see the links

Played through part of the preview, couldn't understand the story, but I did find the femdom to be sexy

Some foot, ass and pussy worship as well as some lolidom

O Yeah this has the potential to be a very good game, I attached a english mtl for everyone interested in it.

 

[Tom Aspinall]

I just edited my post. Yeah, I used calm down, but she spams her attacks faster than my calm down resets. If the animations would be more varied it wouldn't be so bad, but watching the same thing 7 times in a row is irritating and boring. And I did find that items (baseball bat and something else), but the amounts of hp of even some random enemy makes the fights too long. It's not Dark Souls or something that you have engaging fight, it's just clicking with mouse on the same commands and watching the same animation repeat all the time. Sorry for the rant, it's a frustrating experience for me

Calm down has no cooldown though...

But yeah the ghosts and the foulslets are really tanky, as well as the bosses, especially early on, the implets on the east are not that tanky however.

The game doesn't really hold your hand much, the best move after beating Noo would be to buy some better stuff at the blacksmith, money isn't too hard to come by as you can sell ingredients at a decent price, urticales in particular, as well as finding loot strewn about, levels aren't that hard to come by either since losing gives you exp and kneeling and such all count as losses, and there's Lucy which you can find east of the witch's hut that gives you 3 levels per encounter.

The scenes are usually split, iirc Vhidna's feet and shoe scenes are due to the seduction gauge getting too high, after a loss or two you unlock the stare and kneel options which let you pick what scenes to trigger and are usually the key to progressing a character.

I personally never felt the game was that grindy for one of the ToT-likes, first boss can be tough, but you get a lot of freedom afterwards, and turning down the difficulty makes it a lot simpler to get through the bosses. The enemies having a decent repertoire of animations, QTEs to defend and weapons each having different special moves helped to keep the monotony away, at least for me.

Just compare it to ToT for example, Scarlet walls you from the very first fight, Yvonne walls you and then Cobra forces you to go back and fight the older bosses a bunch for stat potions because otherwise she's simply too strong. The first few floors of ToT are genuinely dreadful. Same issue with massive HP pools and alternating between normal hits, and iirc the early floors require you to beat them first to progress their submission.

There's also Domina, if you don't pick easy mode you have to grind the really disgusting zombies in the basement for ages, which are really strong, so you have to use spells to buff yourself before combat even starts, I genuinely couldn't figure out what to do at first. It has a difficulty option at the very least.

So to me Katalist seems fine in this regard, especially considering some of the games I played before it.

 

[Evizzy89]

I just edited my post. Yeah, I used calm down, but she spams her attacks faster than my calm down resets. If the animations would be more varied it wouldn't be so bad, but watching the same thing 7 times in a row is irritating and boring. And I did find that items (baseball bat and something else), but the amounts of hp of even some random enemy makes the fights too long. It's not Dark Souls or something that you have engaging fight, it's just clicking with mouse on the same commands and watching the same animation repeat all the time. Sorry for the rant, it's a frustrating experience for me

she takes like 3 hits if you set the difficulty to easy and like 5-6 hits on normal
as for animation variety I dont think there is any other game femdom on the site that has more than Katalist
tbh not sure how its possible to lose against her unless youre intentionally trying to lose so yea lol

 

[repesorsa]

I definitely got walled for a while in some fights in Katalist, but also I never changed the difficulty setting and it's hard to get too annoyed knowing the option was there if I really wanted to move on.

 

[AdolfXX]

2nd: Nothing is Forever (A great game with many branching paths, slowburn romance and at least a couple femdom scenes, some of them very well done, with almost every single female LI in the game. It's aiming for a far more realistic setting than most porn games, does an excellent job with flashing out its characters and giving them a coherent personality regardless of MC's personality choices, which can vary strongly in 4 directions and lead to content anywhere from maledom to vanilla and femdom. The narrative it builds is compelling and captivating, and every scene/kink is not just skippable, but avoidable)

Thank you for posting this game. I downloaded it yesterday and played chapter1+2. I am very impressed by the story in this game. Very strange that I haven't discovered and played it yet.

 

[Mister_M]

Calm down has no cooldown though...

I tried playing at lower difficulty and calm down doesn't have a cooldown, but playing on vanilla after each use I had cool down greyed out for one turn. Maybe I just assumed it's a cooldown based on the change of color, that change is not however present at lower difficulty.

There's also Domina, if you don't pick easy mode you have to grind the really disgusting zombies in the basement for ages, which are really strong, so you have to use spells to buff yourself before combat even starts, I genuinely couldn't figure out what to do at first. It has a difficulty option at the very least.

Played Domina long time ago and it was even worse experience for me tbh. The animations during fights are excruciatingly long, and waiting through them is a chore for me. At this point I think I just have to admit that fighting RPGm games are simply not for me.

Thanks for your anwers.

Thank you for posting this game. I downloaded it yesterday and played chapter1+2. I am very impressed by the story in this game. Very strange that I haven't discovered and played it yet.

NiF was voted here as our Best Femdom Game of the Year 2022. Really good game imo, and def one of my favs too.

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And speaking of Best Femdom Game of the Year. Tomorrow is the deadline for this year's voting! Rules are here.

 

[LAKueiJin]

Thank you for posting this game. I downloaded it yesterday and played chapter1+2. I am very impressed by the story in this game. Very strange that I haven't discovered and played it yet.

I'm sure many others voted for it before me as well, and it was also often talked about on this thread.... Still, NiF is a great game and I hope you have fun with it!

One of the problems I had with the game was that the choices were empty, and no matter what I decided MC did whatever the dev wanted me/him to do. Karlsson's Gambit has imo much more complex narrative, with infinitely more branching plot and true choices.

I don't want to open the can of worms of arguing for the validity of "Moving Down" on this thread again, and I'm perfectly fine with some people disliking it, but I have to respectfully correct a misconception about it that I heard both in this short comment of yours and elsewhere on the thread before. I agree the game is far more linear/railroady than KG and that it can feel like none of MC's decision matter, especially in the early game, but they do, (Maria's decisions even more so) as they will alter the way Maria behaves towards MC in some scenes and determine which ending the player gets. (and the endings are all quite long and very distinct from each other) I have my own critiques of the game, some of which I voiced on its own thread, and I agree that it is closer to a Kinetic Novel than a game like KG, but it's wrong to say that all its choices are empty, and part of the reason I enjoy it more than KG is that it has a consistent narrative of deepening humiliation and changing circumstances that MC at first denies and attempts to resist against, and then eventually capitulates to and sinks lower and lower into despair and acceptance of his new reality.

Some of it happens due to MC's stupid decisions that we cannot prevent, like him taking a loan and not even reading the contractual terms properly, (and I know and fully understand that this particular issue alone made you dislike it, and it's a perfectly valid reason not to like the game) but MC's journey into submission, humiliation and the psychological trauma he experiences in various scenes and circumstances is masterfully chronicled, whereas in a game like KG the player has far more agency and control of their own destiny, and certainly more branching paths, but you never get to know their pain, emotions, thoughts and suffering in as vivid detail, and your character can change from a sub to someone who enjoys being a dom at the flip of a coin if you accidentally get promoted to K5!

MC's personality in KG is less consistent, (ofc a bit of a byproduct of a game with so many branching paths - what Mistress Tess is doing is harder, and invevitably it's impossible to account for everything in a game with that many choices and paths...) and at the end of the day, from a femdom perspective, what's the use of all the K5 and higher paths when they all give your MC pampered treatment and maledom scenes? On one of my playthroughs I reached K5 from K4 and I eventually even went back on the save due to how much the way everyone treated MC flipped instantly, and how unrealistic some of his reactions to his new status felt given the way I played him before. (plus that i was now almost exclusively getting porn scenes that put me off as a sub as long as I wasn't playing the sister...)

The other reason I never enjoyed KG as much, even though it has lots of kinkwise varied femdom scenes and beautiful dommes, is that it has way too many characters that will humiliate MC in one way or another, dozens of them, some of whom have so little in the way of unique personality traits (except the fact that they are usually rich and dominant), that I even forget who they are between upgrades!

I'm not trying to say KG is a worse game than Moving Down - they're very different kinds of games and I wasn't even trying to compare them in my vote-post. I was just saying that MD is a similarly big and long VN. (probably longer than one KG playthrough - ofc KG is far bigger/longer if one plays through all of the paths and is not even completed yet) KG is a more active game that gives the player far more power over the flow of the story, has femdom scenes with more mistresses, and very different ways of exploring the sadistic torture of male slaves. MD is a dedicated femdom game, far more linear, and far more focused on a small group of characters in MC's life and on his psychological journey of depreciating self worth, femdom humiliation and, on most endings, enslavement and acceptance of his new place.

Beyond the fact that they're both VNs with Daz 3D art and they both have some characters that are immoral sadistic mistresses, they barely have any similarities, and it's ok to like only one or the other, as well as both. They're both hardcore femdom games, and both have devs that clearly had a creative vision and put in a lot of effort into making them, but their concepts couldn't be more different from each other. Peace!

EDIT: I feel I've defended Moving Down as a good and unique femdom game so much by now Miron should probably hire me as a PR manager!